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Reply #30 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

Only a Green would think that a tax could fix every problem. It has already been modelled that a million dollar pa tax increase would only raise a few hundred million at most while the budget problem is tens of billions. It is also ideologically opposite to the policies of both parties.

In response the fact that the mining tax was expected to only take in $200 Million instead of a projected $2 Billion Christine Milne of the Greens:

"There are structural problems in the mining tax.....One is that it's structured at 22% when it should be 40%, it leaves out gold, the rebating of royalties to the states and the accelerated depreciation divisions"

She also said in response to the reporter pointing out that all she was talking about was government spending:

"Yes and I'm talking about it to build momentum in the economy that's what you do. You build the infrastructure projects that are going to drive the future"

There's not a single thought among the greens that there could possibly be any alternatives than taxing one industry to fund another, they think they can tax miners and carbon emitters and force the economy over to a renewable one.....never mind the shrinking tax pool and a contraction in the economy.

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Reply #31 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:59pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

Only a Green would think that a tax could fix every problem. It has already been modelled that a million dollar pa tax increase would only raise a few hundred million at most while the budget problem is tens of billions. It is also ideologically opposite to the policies of both parties.

Opposite to both old parties yet both old parties flip flop on their policies.
Build a constructive policy and the old parties will come. Just like Greens carbon pollution pricing policy ... Labor came on board.

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Reply #32 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:04pm

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

Only a Green would think that a tax could fix every problem. It has already been modelled that a million dollar pa tax increase would only raise a few hundred million at most while the budget problem is tens of billions. It is also ideologically opposite to the policies of both parties.

Opposite to both old parties yet both old parties flip flop on their policies.
Build a constructive policy and the old parties will come. Just like Greens carbon pollution pricing policy ... Labor came on board.

yeah... labor came on board and SANK. no one will be holding hands with your weirdoes every again.

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Reply #33 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:04pm:

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

Only a Green would think that a tax could fix every problem. It has already been modelled that a million dollar pa tax increase would only raise a few hundred million at most while the budget problem is tens of billions. It is also ideologically opposite to the policies of both parties.

Opposite to both old parties yet both old parties flip flop on their policies.
Build a constructive policy and the old parties will come. Just like Greens carbon pollution pricing policy ... Labor came on board.

yeah... labor came on board and SANK. no one will be holding hands with your weirdoes every again.

Says the bloke who owes money to a childrens charity from a losing bet over the Greens.

You are no expert and dishonest to boot.

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #34 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:04pm:

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

Only a Green would think that a tax could fix every problem. It has already been modelled that a million dollar pa tax increase would only raise a few hundred million at most while the budget problem is tens of billions. It is also ideologically opposite to the policies of both parties.

Opposite to both old parties yet both old parties flip flop on their policies.
Build a constructive policy and the old parties will come. Just like Greens carbon pollution pricing policy ... Labor came on board.

yeah... labor came on board and SANK. no one will be holding hands with your weirdoes every again.

Says the bloke who owes money to a childrens charity from a losing bet over the Greens.

You are no expert and dishonest to boot.

already been paid loserboy and in addition I support two children as well as donate to a childrens home in Cambodia. what do YOU do. If you are a typical Green you spend your money on yourself and complain about others.

hypocrite.

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #35 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 1:04pm:

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

Only a Green would think that a tax could fix every problem. It has already been modelled that a million dollar pa tax increase would only raise a few hundred million at most while the budget problem is tens of billions. It is also ideologically opposite to the policies of both parties.

Opposite to both old parties yet both old parties flip flop on their policies.
Build a constructive policy and the old parties will come. Just like Greens carbon pollution pricing policy ... Labor came on board.

yeah... labor came on board and SANK. no one will be holding hands with your weirdoes every again.

Says the bloke who owes money to a childrens charity from a losing bet over the Greens.

You are no expert and dishonest to boot.

already been paid loserboy and in addition I support two children as well as donate to a childrens home in Cambodia. what do YOU do. If you are a typical Green you spend your money on yourself and complain about others.

hypocrite.

No receipt was shown and you are a renowned liar.
Thieving from a children's charity, shame on you.
Pay your losing bet and show the receipt.

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #37 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:05pm

Vuk11 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

Build a constructive policy and the old parties will come.

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Build a more then likely destructive policy and the old parties will flee

Fixed that for you Wink

Actually you manipulated it to suit your view. Nothing fixed at all.
If you don't like reading an alternative view then perhaps you are on the wrong website.

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Reply #38 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:30pm

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Actually you manipulated it to suit your view. Nothing fixed at all.
If you don't like reading an alternative view then perhaps you are on the wrong website.

I love reading alternative views!
It allows me to criticize them, put my views forward and have them criticized in the pursuit of knowledge and understanding.

The fact that the Greens and their proponents don't understand how destructive and ignorant their policies are astounds me.

They don't take into account the economic contraction it will cause, they don't take into account future costs that they are creating that will compound with their future expenses. Truly astonishing!

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Reply #39 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:38pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.

Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!

If they're starting a business, they're not idle.
If they're mortgaging their home, they're not rich.

You're going to have to do a lot better than that.

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #40 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:57am:

Vuk11 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:11pm:

How inflammatory, I guess the wealthy are used to it.

Whenever politicians talk about taxing that rich it almost always ends up hurting those it seeks to help, the wealthy are very good at passing costs off on others. Last thing you want to do is hurt consumers and workers.

People have heard of shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations right?

I'm no corporate apologist or defender but this is what makes me sceptic:
"However it acknowledged in its costing documents, obtained by Fairfax Media, that its modelling was "considered to be of low reliability" due to a series of inherently uncertain assumptions about future behaviour.

This could include individuals abandoning trusts and using other measures if the taxation arrangements were no longer regarded as sufficiently attractive."

What that means is they don't know what will happen, will ignore any warnings people give and it could have unforeseen (foreseen by those ignored) consequences.

How well do the Greens know their history?

if you tax trusts they will just go elsewhere for tax havens. if you increase their income taxes they will increase their wage demands or professional fees to compensate and so the consumer ends up paying it. That is one reason why low-tax countries tend to have booming economies becaue high taxes are a brake on economic activity.

Next, you will try to spin the Reagan theory about "trickle down Economics", which is simply stupidity!

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Reply #41 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:51pm

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Next, you will try to spin the Reagan theory about "trickle down Economics", which is simply stupidity!

Trickle down is big government corny corporate crap too, but it is important to remember that the wealthy are wealthy because they reinvest the companies profits, they aren't wealthy in a monetary sense but by the amount of assets and the value of those assets for if they ever do sell them.

It's also important to remember that "taxing the rich" hurts the poor because the cost is passed on to employees and consumers; in the form of less investment, less jobs and higher prices.

I'm not saying tax the poor or the rich, but free them both to provide social mobility and let the economy grow because it damn well wants to.

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Reply #42 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:32pm

Vuk11 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Actually you manipulated it to suit your view. Nothing fixed at all.
If you don't like reading an alternative view then perhaps you are on the wrong website.

I love reading alternative views!
It allows me to criticize them, put my views forward and have them criticized in the pursuit of knowledge and understanding.

The fact that the Greens and their proponents don't understand how destructive and ignorant their policies are astounds me.

They don't take into account the economic contraction it will cause, they don't take into account future costs that they are creating that will compound with their future expenses. Truly astonishing!

Now replace Greens with cons ... and now back at you.

Perpetual growth is a myth and so the current pyramid scheme will end. Greens desire a soft landing verses cons' lemmings approach.

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #43 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:37pm

Vuk11 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Next, you will try to spin the Reagan theory about "trickle down Economics", which is simply stupidity!

Trickle down is big government corny corporate crap too, but it is important to remember that the wealthy are wealthy because they reinvest the companies profits, they aren't wealthy in a monetary sense but by the amount of assets and the value of those assets for if they ever do sell them.

It's also important to remember that "taxing the rich" hurts the poor because the cost is passed on to employees and consumers; in the form of less investment, less jobs and higher prices.

I'm not saying tax the poor or the rich, but free them both to provide social mobility and let the economy grow because it damn well wants to.

That depends on if the say 3.3 billion dollars raised in the next four years with the Greens policy is invested or squandered on things like open ended searches for wreckage in the indian ocean, expensive off shore concentration camps, dud fighter jets, or PPL for the rich.

If it is invested properly then the lower income can be raised up.

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Reply #44 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:48pm

Bam wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.

Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Strawmanguthing_1968.jpg
If they're starting a business, they're not idle.
If they're mortgaging their home, they're not rich.

You're going to have to do a lot better than that.

so how do you define 'lazy', 'worthless' and 'idle'?? IM betting you have no idea.

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