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Reply #45 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:58pm

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Now replace Greens with cons ... and now back at you.

Perpetual growth is a myth and so the current pyramid scheme will end. Greens desire a soft landing verses cons' lemmings approach.

Replacing greens and cons I can see what you mean when it comes to the environment and with "perpetual growth".

However I would argue that economic growth and prosperity does one fundamental thing that can help us, it increases goods and services and thus increases the wealth of nations (it's people). It's from this wealth that people can then spend their capital/labour working on other projects.

If people are too busy barely scrapping by because of the cost of living and suffering from economic contraction, then at best greens will transfer us to a green economy at the expense of many lives (poverty kills) and by making Australia worse off in the long run, at worst they'll collapse the economy without even transferring to a green economy.

I will always advocate free choice and free markets to create prosperity for all so that the greater total wealth we have can one day be used to transfer whilst not having disastrous consequences.

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #46 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:01pm

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:37pm:

That depends on if the say 3.3 billion dollars raised in the next four years with the Greens policy is invested or squandered on things like open ended searches for wreckage in the indian ocean, expensive off shore concentration camps, dud fighter jets, or PPL for the rich.

If it is invested properly then the lower income can be raised up.

This is the problem I have with that thinking: Pic related
(An oversimplification on my part but I feel it illustrates the point)

There is no free lunch, this means capital can only be transferred via taxation which is what the greens hope to do, transfer from Minerals to green industries. However what they fail to take into account that the disincentive will most likely cause an economic contraction that will leave them with less of a tax pool and a bigger problem.

What I mean by lower tax pool is that historically government earns a certain % of the GDP as income and if the economic pie (GDP) is lowered the percent remains the same largely and lowers the nominal revenue.

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #47 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.

Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Strawmanguthing_1968.jpg
If they're starting a business, they're not idle.
If they're mortgaging their home, they're not rich.

You're going to have to do a lot better than that.

so how do you define 'lazy', 'worthless' and 'idle'?? IM betting you have no idea.

I use a dictionary.

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #48 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:21pm

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Perpetual growth is a myth and so the current pyramid scheme will end. Greens desire a soft landing verses cons' lemmings approach.

Perpetual growth is indeed a myth. Our planet has finite resources and it is against the laws of mathematics to assert that exponential growth can continue indefinitely while the limit of growth is finite.

Part of the problem is that the available resources are utilised inefficiently. For example, an Apple phone is intentionally engineered to have a short life (the battery cannot be replaced easily by the consumer). When that phone has to be replaced, resources that were consumed in manufacturing that phone are wasted unnecessarily.

If instead those resources were used to manufacture a phone of a different design with a replaceable battery, the same resources would last longer, and hence be utilised more efficiently.

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #50 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:19pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:36am:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:15pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:06pm:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.

Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!

Rather than share the load you want to cripple small businesses. Every person that pays abbott's doctor tax spends less in the retail sector.

Welcome to life under the carbon tax, where things like electricity cost more and prevent people from spending as much (or at all) at shops.

People were compensated to a greater amount of the levy and so people still spent in small businesses. Small business didn't suffer the turndown that Abbott's doctor tax will cause.

How many small businesses have to go under before Abbott stops his Tax War against them?

Not fully compensated.

And no compensation for Abbott's Medical Treatment Tax. That will strip money out of the retail economy, out of small businesses and sending some to the wall. Less revenue from the GST and higher unemployment.

Abbott's medical treatment tax is a killer.

Why is compensation even needed for a tax? Absurd: collect it with one hand, give back with another. What's the point, then? Proof the carbon tax is a useless, costly lie.

and there you go proving my point again .... now you're complaining about the need for compensation, while your comment before that was that the compensation wasn't enough ...... Grin

you have no idea do you?

It's you who has no idea. I said that people aren't fully compensated, not that the compensation isn't enough. BIG difference. There shouldn't need to be compensation, or else the purpose of the tax (which is to make things like electricity more expensive in the hope we'll use it less) becomes nothing more than a very expensive and pointless added burden on Australians.

the tax isn't about the people you twat ... its not supposed to affect the people either way ....its purpose is to give companies that are polluting a reason to not pollute... guess what happens if a comapny that has to pay $1m in carbon tax suddenly switched to green energy?

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #51 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:23pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.

Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!

A few do - most don't. They borrow on an apparently wide open bank market. If that is not the case, how then do people who are declared bankrupt start up new businesses in no time flat, and while still living in a fine waterfront mansion?

Who pays the banks when these kinds go bust? Guess.....

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #52 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:51pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

the tax isn't about the people you twat ... its not supposed to affect the people either way ....its purpose is to give companies that are polluting a reason to not pollute... guess what happens if a comapny that has to pay $1m in carbon tax suddenly switched to green energy?

I'd assume they'd weigh up the cost of switching and what price it was cost consumers. I'm going to hazard a guess that they'll maybe close up shop and try to open up shop in another country or more likely stock holders will bail and invest their money in other industries probably inflate the housing bubble some more. They may choose to stay invested in this form of energy or sell it off either way whoever tries to will just pass on the cost to consumers, cut down on employees where possible (automation if it would help) and blame it on the government.

OR they may switch to alternative energies but that's only if their research comes back showing stock holders and CEOs a good Return On Investment and that the technology is cost effective and efficient enough.

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #53 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:38pm

Vuk11 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

the tax isn't about the people you twat ... its not supposed to affect the people either way ....its purpose is to give companies that are polluting a reason to not pollute... guess what happens if a comapny that has to pay $1m in carbon tax suddenly switched to green energy?

I'd assume they'd weigh up the cost of switching and what price it was cost consumers. I'm going to hazard a guess that they'll maybe close up shop and try to open up shop in another country or more likely stock holders will bail and invest their money in other industries probably inflate the housing bubble some more. They may choose to stay invested in this form of energy or sell it off either way whoever tries to will just pass on the cost to consumers, cut down on employees where possible (automation if it would help) and blame it on the government.

OR they may switch to alternative energies but that's only if their research comes back showing stock holders and CEOs a good Return On Investment and that the technology is cost effective and efficient enough.

you didn't answer the question .... the answer is? ...

and no company shut shop and moved o'seas because of the carbon tax so you can forget that line.

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Reply #54 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 2:29am

I honestly think Australia should stop the family bickering. Stop the toadying to other nations. Get itself an intervention and start behaving like the family it somewhat used to be. Treat itself like an extended family working for each others benefit. If we keep this crazy capitalist/socialist nonsense going we will rip ourselves apart. We have to be both.

When I was a kid, every child was given a 1/3 pint of milk at school and the immunisation buses would come around for polio shots. There were many other thing that would be just "unaffordable" today. We could afford it, we can now, we are no less poor as a nation. Now we can afford nothing because personal wealth/greed is more important. We are no longer a national family in it together for the long haul and internal divorce is the creed. I hate it after seeing what we were and were capable of. Yes I'm a leftie but I didn't grow up that way, I was forced that way over the years. My grandfather was the National Secretary of the(defunct) Country Party. The ABC was his channel of choice. We as a nation, following US trends(neocons) rather than making our own way would have him rolling in his grave. Not to mention what the Nationals have become. He hated the idea of(coalition) and saw the writing on the wall of the Country Party(Nationals) becoming powerless tools of a city Liberal Party. I'm almost glad I don't have too many years ahead of me. Cry

We need to be better than this "me" outlook(inlook).

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Reply #55 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 4:00am

I personally cannot recall when we were asked if the nation should be run as a Business instead of a Commonwealth, can you?
Somehow that's become the way it is, and everything is now measured in dollars instead of need and right and good.
And I too remember those little bottles of milk at school, with HORROR! I'm lactose intolerant and used to be punished severely for refusing to drink them, lol. Even throwing up on the nuns did me no good, only got me more whacks! But it was the only good thing about them for me!
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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #56 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 7:51am

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:36am:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:15pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:06pm:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.

Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!

Rather than share the load you want to cripple small businesses. Every person that pays abbott's doctor tax spends less in the retail sector.

Welcome to life under the carbon tax, where things like electricity cost more and prevent people from spending as much (or at all) at shops.

People were compensated to a greater amount of the levy and so people still spent in small businesses. Small business didn't suffer the turndown that Abbott's doctor tax will cause.

How many small businesses have to go under before Abbott stops his Tax War against them?

Not fully compensated.

And no compensation for Abbott's Medical Treatment Tax. That will strip money out of the retail economy, out of small businesses and sending some to the wall. Less revenue from the GST and higher unemployment.

Abbott's medical treatment tax is a killer.

Why is compensation even needed for a tax? Absurd: collect it with one hand, give back with another. What's the point, then? Proof the carbon tax is a useless, costly lie.

and there you go proving my point again .... now you're complaining about the need for compensation, while your comment before that was that the compensation wasn't enough ...... Grin

you have no idea do you?

It's you who has no idea. I said that people aren't fully compensated, not that the compensation isn't enough. BIG difference. There shouldn't need to be compensation, or else the purpose of the tax (which is to make things like electricity more expensive in the hope we'll use it less) becomes nothing more than a very expensive and pointless added burden on Australians.

the tax isn't about the people you twat ... its not supposed to affect the people either way ....its purpose is to give companies that are polluting a reason to not pollute... guess what happens if a comapny that has to pay $1m in carbon tax suddenly switched to green energy?

It actually is, you twat! Even former PM Dillard admitted it was supposed to make electricity more expensive in the hope people would use it less and somehow save the environment in the process.

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #57 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 8:04am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:36am:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:15pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:06pm:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.

Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!

Rather than share the load you want to cripple small businesses. Every person that pays abbott's doctor tax spends less in the retail sector.

Welcome to life under the carbon tax, where things like electricity cost more and prevent people from spending as much (or at all) at shops.

People were compensated to a greater amount of the levy and so people still spent in small businesses. Small business didn't suffer the turndown that Abbott's doctor tax will cause.

How many small businesses have to go under before Abbott stops his Tax War against them?

Not fully compensated.

And no compensation for Abbott's Medical Treatment Tax. That will strip money out of the retail economy, out of small businesses and sending some to the wall. Less revenue from the GST and higher unemployment.

Abbott's medical treatment tax is a killer.

Why is compensation even needed for a tax? Absurd: collect it with one hand, give back with another. What's the point, then? Proof the carbon tax is a useless, costly lie.

and there you go proving my point again .... now you're complaining about the need for compensation, while your comment before that was that the compensation wasn't enough ...... Grin

you have no idea do you?

It's you who has no idea. I said that people aren't fully compensated, not that the compensation isn't enough. BIG difference. There shouldn't need to be compensation, or else the purpose of the tax (which is to make things like electricity more expensive in the hope we'll use it less) becomes nothing more than a very expensive and pointless added burden on Australians.

the tax isn't about the people you twat ... its not supposed to affect the people either way ....its purpose is to give companies that are polluting a reason to not pollute... guess what happens if a comapny that has to pay $1m in carbon tax suddenly switched to green energy?

It actually is, you twat! Even former PM Dillard admitted it was supposed to make electricity more expensive in the hope people would use it less and somehow save the environment in the process.

it would make people look for cheaper alternatives, I'm not sure about you, but I'm always looking for cheaper alternatives ... if electricvity goes up, the alternatives look better ... carbon tax or o carbon tax, either way they were compensated so the effect to them was negligible .... it was about making business stop polluting

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #58 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 8:09am

John Smith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:36am:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:15pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:06pm:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.

Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!

Rather than share the load you want to cripple small businesses. Every person that pays abbott's doctor tax spends less in the retail sector.

Welcome to life under the carbon tax, where things like electricity cost more and prevent people from spending as much (or at all) at shops.

People were compensated to a greater amount of the levy and so people still spent in small businesses. Small business didn't suffer the turndown that Abbott's doctor tax will cause.

How many small businesses have to go under before Abbott stops his Tax War against them?

Not fully compensated.

And no compensation for Abbott's Medical Treatment Tax. That will strip money out of the retail economy, out of small businesses and sending some to the wall. Less revenue from the GST and higher unemployment.

Abbott's medical treatment tax is a killer.

Why is compensation even needed for a tax? Absurd: collect it with one hand, give back with another. What's the point, then? Proof the carbon tax is a useless, costly lie.

and there you go proving my point again .... now you're complaining about the need for compensation, while your comment before that was that the compensation wasn't enough ...... Grin

you have no idea do you?

It's you who has no idea. I said that people aren't fully compensated, not that the compensation isn't enough. BIG difference. There shouldn't need to be compensation, or else the purpose of the tax (which is to make things like electricity more expensive in the hope we'll use it less) becomes nothing more than a very expensive and pointless added burden on Australians.

the tax isn't about the people you twat ... its not supposed to affect the people either way ....its purpose is to give companies that are polluting a reason to not pollute... guess what happens if a comapny that has to pay $1m in carbon tax suddenly switched to green energy?

It actually is, you twat! Even former PM Dillard admitted it was supposed to make electricity more expensive in the hope people would use it less and somehow save the environment in the process.

it would make people look for cheaper alternatives, I'm not sure about you, but I'm always looking for cheaper alternatives ... if electricvity goes up, the alternatives look better ... carbon tax or o carbon tax, either way they were compensated so the effect to them was negligible .... it was about making business stop polluting

What's the alternative? A hamster and a wheel?

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Re: Greens Model Millionaire Tax For Budget Emergency
Reply #59 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 8:14am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 8:09am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:36am:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:15pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:06pm:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:

____ wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.

Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!

Rather than share the load you want to cripple small businesses. Every person that pays abbott's doctor tax spends less in the retail sector.

Welcome to life under the carbon tax, where things like electricity cost more and prevent people from spending as much (or at all) at shops.

People were compensated to a greater amount of the levy and so people still spent in small businesses. Small business didn't suffer the turndown that Abbott's doctor tax will cause.

How many small businesses have to go under before Abbott stops his Tax War against them?

Not fully compensated.

And no compensation for Abbott's Medical Treatment Tax. That will strip money out of the retail economy, out of small businesses and sending some to the wall. Less revenue from the GST and higher unemployment.

Abbott's medical treatment tax is a killer.

Why is compensation even needed for a tax? Absurd: collect it with one hand, give back with another. What's the point, then? Proof the carbon tax is a useless, costly lie.

and there you go proving my point again .... now you're complaining about the need for compensation, while your comment before that was that the compensation wasn't enough ...... Grin

you have no idea do you?

It's you who has no idea. I said that people aren't fully compensated, not that the compensation isn't enough. BIG difference. There shouldn't need to be compensation, or else the purpose of the tax (which is to make things like electricity more expensive in the hope we'll use it less) becomes nothing more than a very expensive and pointless added burden on Australians.

the tax isn't about the people you twat ... its not supposed to affect the people either way ....its purpose is to give companies that are polluting a reason to not pollute... guess what happens if a comapny that has to pay $1m in carbon tax suddenly switched to green energy?

It actually is, you twat! Even former PM Dillard admitted it was supposed to make electricity more expensive in the hope people would use it less and somehow save the environment in the process.

it would make people look for cheaper alternatives, I'm not sure about you, but I'm always looking for cheaper alternatives ... if electricvity goes up, the alternatives look better ... carbon tax or o carbon tax, either way they were compensated so the effect to them was negligible .... it was about making business stop polluting

What's the alternative? A hamster and a wheel?

you can't possibly be thhaaaat thick can you?

Ok, I take that back, it's obvious you are!

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