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Why doesn't Abbott renege on PPL
Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:17am
 
OK, so it's very odious to walk back from an election promise.
But if the election promise is fundamentally wrong, as this is, in scale and principle, it's better to acknowledge your mistakes and ditch it. The Labor scheme should be ditched as well.
People shouldn't be supported by the taxpayer to have kids. It's their own responsibility, always was, always should be.

While he's at it, he should ditch all tax concessions on superannuation. Every clause & loophole!

Do both these things and there will be ample funds to increase welfare proper - newstart, disability, pension - as well as get the budget in proper balance.
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Reply #1 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:20am
 
Abbott is walking back from many election promises, I don't care it cements him as a one termer. If the dick thinks pensioners and the working class wil vote for him again he's more delusional than longweekend. Imagine a PM that thinks he can make cuts to the pension and health and get away with it? Too funny. Grin Grin Grin if he dumped this stupid PPL he would not need to piss off a big chunck of his supporters, he has a death wish, can't wait to see him full fill it.
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Reply #2 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:26am
 
You're the only Richard Cranium around here - correction: you're a standout.
If you followed the signals you would know that Abbott is not planning cuts to the pension in the near future, nor in health or education. He may be planning more efficient spending, for which he deserves support & praise.
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Re: Why doesn't Abbott renege on PPL
Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:30am
 
has PUP been asked about that curly one? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

he will probably want it increased he loves the poor people doesnt he?.

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Reply #4 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:35am
 
I have no problem with the pension age being lifted to 70 from the muted 2035.
All boomers will be either dead or already receiving it & thanks to Keating all Xer's , Y's & OO will have had super co contributions since starting work.

If they cant live off super from whatever age they decide to retire till 70 well, to my mind that's not the governments fault or the tax payers responsibility.

As for the rest I've heard.......same old same old, protect & reward the already comfortable whilst demonising & punishing the less fortunate.

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Reply #5 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:44am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:35am:
I have no problem with the pension age being lifted to 70 from the muted 2035.
All boomers will be either dead or already receiving it & thanks to Keating all Xer's , Y's & OO will have had super co contributions since starting work.

If they cant live off super from whatever age they decide to retire till 70 well, to my mind that's not the governments fault or the tax payers responsibility.

As for the rest I've heard.......same old same old, protect & reward the already comfortable whilst demonising & punishing the less fortunate.


I suppose that's you smithy - I don't recognise anyone with a funny hat.
Exactly right about the pension age. The relativity to life expectancy should have been recognised much longer ago. Only trouble is if life expectancy starts going backwards, which is not beyond the bounds of possibility.
I don't understand what you're referring to in your last point.
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Reply #6 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:48am
 
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Reply #7 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:50am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:26am:
You're the only Richard Cranium around here - correction: you're a standout.
If you followed the signals you would know that Abbott is not planning cuts to the pension in the near future, nor in health or education. He may be planning more efficient spending, for which he deserves support & praise.




Grin Grin Grin Grin

stopping the ROT you mean..

the appalling waste we have seen over 6 years..

too much of it through incompetence
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Reply #8 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:54am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:48am:
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Not that, the sentence before that - the same old same old bit.
What are you referring to?
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Reply #9 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:58am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:26am:
You're the only Richard Cranium around here - correction: you're a standout.
If you followed the signals you would know that Abbott is not planning cuts to the pension in the near future, nor in health or education. He may be planning more efficient spending, for which he deserves support & praise.

Making up lies won't help the basher anymore than it helps you.  Reported for personal abuse, you need some time to learn some manners and respect your superiors .
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Reply #10 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:59am
 
I thought that was your preferred standard of communication. If you want to lift the standard in future, let me know and I'll try to oblige.
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Reply #11 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 11:06am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:17am:
OK, so it's very odious to walk back from an election promise.
But if the election promise is fundamentally wrong, as this is, in scale and principle, it's better to acknowledge your mistakes and ditch it. The Labor scheme should be ditched as well.
People shouldn't be supported by the taxpayer to have kids. It's their own responsibility, always was, always should be.

While he's at it, he should ditch all tax concessions on superannuation. Every clause & loophole!

Do both these things and there will be ample funds to increase welfare proper - newstart, disability, pension - as well as get the budget in proper balance.



Pavlov says no.
If you punish the superannuation contributors, you will get less of it. This is a bad thing for a country which desperately needs savings.
If you reward the welfare recipients, you will get more of them.
This is a bad thing for a country which desperately needs savings.
We should aim for fairness though.
I would reduce all welfare benefits to the level of the dole.
Pensioners (old age and disability) should not receive more than those on other benefits. They don't have the added cost of looking for work etc.
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Reply #12 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 11:10am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:35am:
I have no problem with the pension age being lifted to 70 from the muted 2035.
All boomers will be either dead or already receiving it & thanks to Keating all Xer's , Y's & OO will have had super co contributions since starting work.

If they cant live off super from whatever age they [b]decide to retire till 70 [/b]well, to my mind that's not the governments fault or the tax payers responsibility.

As for the rest I've heard.......same old same old, protect & reward the already comfortable whilst demonising & punishing the less fortunate.

S.O.P Liberal party.


They'll still have to work until Superannuation preservation age to access their benefits


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Reply #13 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 11:18am
 
If in economic good times and with a perfectly blue economic sky forecast I would have been astounded and opposed to the idea if a Labour govt proposed it.

That the Libs introduced it left me breathlessly globsmacked, and so I remain.

To get this through the party room and to keep opposition to PPL mute or limited, I think Abbott has used and is using considerable political capital. I don't think it will be dropped without a Lib party Spill. And that won't happen before the budget delivery.

Afterwards............

A lot swing on this budget  Wink, both politically and economically.

My bet is that it wouldn't as bad as the pundits would have us believe but I await with an abated breath  Tongue.
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Reply #14 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 11:20am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:54am:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 10:48am:
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Not that, the sentence before that - the same old same old bit.
What are you referring to?



Well lets just look at whats been floated.
2 examples of each

Protecting well off:
1) Scrap mining tax - we have revenue shortfalls yet this will be axed apparently because it strangles these poor companies.
BHP's after tax profit rose 80% last year, hardly strangling business

2a) PPL - we already agree this is ridiculous

2b) If revenue is the issue why shouldn't those who earn OVER 200K in super returns pay a nominal tax of 15 cents in every $ over the 1st 200K?

No instead of the above revenue measures we get,

Punish the less fortunate:

1) We have a $6 fee for GP visits - every doctor I know of only bulk bills concession card holders the rest pay full whack & only get about 40% back through medicare.
This go visit the doc for a chat is crap, people, well people I know only go as a last resort or for their yearly checks.

2) DSP user require an "Independent" doc cert - quotations around Independent because they will be anything but, paid by Gov & will have quota's.


I'd like to think our pollies are smarter than the above but it seems not, BTW I'd expect the same crap ideas from Labor.

Our political class ATM has anything but brains or class, a sh!thouse rat has more of both Angry

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