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chaotic and dysfunctional Rudd-Gillard
Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:37pm

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BOB Hawke and Paul Keating have given a blistering assessment of Labor in power under Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard and warned that retrograde policies, ineffective communication, divisive class warfare and a lack of conviction will keep the party out of office if not urgently addressed.

The two former Labor prime ministers have urged the party to undertake radical reform to reduce the power of unions and factions, steer policy back to the centre ground and heed the lessons of the often chaotic and dysfunctional Rudd-Gillard governments. They argue that Labor must undertake structural reform to curtail union influence over policy, candidates and the party organisation.
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and so says bob hawke and paul keating

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85079 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: chaotic and dysfunctional Rudd-Gillard Reply #1 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:56pm .. and the ghosts of politicians past rear their ugly heads over and over again.... ... and just when we're setting fair to slice up their 'opponents' or fellow members of the Tag Team...... Joe Hockey for PM anyone? Jesus wept!
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: chaotic and dysfunctional Rudd-Gillard Reply #2 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:58pm when did this happen.. last I saw Hawke was grovelling all over gillard.. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=julia+gillard+and+bob+hawke&es_sm=93&tbm=isch... and keating well he luvs all who are not Liberal...well maybe not everybody. http://www.smh.com.au/national/paul-keating-at-70-20140117-3105i.html
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Reply #3 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:59pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

.. and the ghosts of politicians past rear their ugly heads over and over again....

... and just when we're setting fair to slice up their 'opponents' or fellow members of the Tag Team......

Joe Hockey for PM anyone? Jesus wept!

We could do with someone like them now, while there's still something of Australia left to save.

Abbott's not fit to lick the boots of either of them, and never will be.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: chaotic and dysfunctional Rudd-Gillard Reply #4 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:00pm maybe they should make ex PM sign a contract.. when they get the sack... few retire... if you want your expenses paid for... button your lip..in public...you have had your time.. not buzz off.parasites.
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Reply #5 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:01pm

Kat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

.. and the ghosts of politicians past rear their ugly heads over and over again....

... and just when we're setting fair to slice up their 'opponents' or fellow members of the Tag Team......

Joe Hockey for PM anyone? Jesus wept!

We could do with someone like them now, while there's still something of Australia left to save.

Abbott's not fit to lick the boots of either of them, and never will be.

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you like licking boots we righties dont do that.

they are all yours and your welcome.

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Reply #6 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:11pm

Kat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

.. and the ghosts of politicians past rear their ugly heads over and over again....

... and just when we're setting fair to slice up their 'opponents' or fellow members of the Tag Team......

Joe Hockey for PM anyone? Jesus wept!

We could do with someone like them now, while there's still something of Australia left to save.

Abbott's not fit to lick the boots of either of them, and never will be.

If we could wean Labor off their addiction to feminist mythology and start them on the long lonely trail to taking care of the interests of all equally again - you might start to get me on board.

Until then the modern yuppie party that caters to every whine about what one person doesn't have handed to her/him, and turns it into a national jihad, will not get my vote.

Paul Keating held a gun to the States' head and ordered them to install 'uniform DV laws' based on the flawed Duluth model of man always oppressor/abuser and based on a 'study' by the NSW Law Reform Commission in remote Aboriginal communities using anecdotal evidence of women only - with disastrous results to men, women, families, children and society - and all because of some stupid comment in Nairobi from the UN over 'cutting back violence against women' - meaning stopping maniacs hacking off their breasts in Rwanda etc and not some bloke who refuses the old girl his credit card to go shopping.

WHEN the governments get it right again, and realise what the have done, and I hear Labor say they were wrong there and the whole idea is scrapped and replaced with sense and reason - I might listen. Until then, they will have to live with the never-ending consequences of an undeclared brush fire war against one gender in this country with the aim of reducing that demographic first under despotism as has come to pass with the reign of terror now 'controlling' men in Australia - poor fellow, my country!

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Re: chaotic and dysfunctional Rudd-Gillard
Reply #7 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:11pm

cods wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

.. and the ghosts of politicians past rear their ugly heads over and over again....

... and just when we're setting fair to slice up their 'opponents' or fellow members of the Tag Team......

Joe Hockey for PM anyone? Jesus wept!

We could do with someone like them now, while there's still something of Australia left to save.

Abbott's not fit to lick the boots of either of them, and never will be.

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you like licking boots we righties dont do that.

they are all yours and your welcome.

No time like the present to start.

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Reply #8 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:17pm

Kat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

cods wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

.. and the ghosts of politicians past rear their ugly heads over and over again....

... and just when we're setting fair to slice up their 'opponents' or fellow members of the Tag Team......

Joe Hockey for PM anyone? Jesus wept!

We could do with someone like them now, while there's still something of Australia left to save.

Abbott's not fit to lick the boots of either of them, and never will be.

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you like licking boots we righties dont do that.

they are all yours and your welcome.

No time like the present to start.

did gillard lick his boots I wonder.. Roll Eyes

His role in the design of the Barangaroo redevelopment has led to new enmities and the creation of new Keatingisms, notably when he attacked Lord Mayor Clover Moore as being ''for low rise, she's for sandal-wearing, muesli-chewing, bike-riding pedestrians without any idea of the metropolitan quality of the city''.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/paul-keating-at-70-20140117-3105i.html#ixzz2zmmLeKJd

such a charmer... no will leave all that grovelling to lefties thanks..

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Reply #10 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:48pm

This left vs right partisan bullshit is what is wrong with this country.....We should debate every policy based on its merits instead of cheering for one side against the other in a pointless point scoring exercise....Neither side of politics has all the answers or provides the best policy for every situation....To claim otherwise shows complete ignorance and a stupidity beyond help!!!

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: chaotic and dysfunctional Rudd-Gillard Reply #11 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:51pm Certainly the best time for Labor to reform and become a progressive party like the Greens. Unfortunately Labor will not.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: chaotic and dysfunctional Rudd-Gillard Reply #12 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:06pm ____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:51pm: Certainly the best time for Labor to reform and become a progressive party like the Greens. Unfortunately Labor will not. I so wish Labor would become like the Greens. they they can be permanently unelectable as well!
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Reply #13 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:51pm:

Certainly the best time for Labor to reform and become a progressive party like the Greens. Unfortunately Labor will not.

I so wish Labor would become like the Greens. they they can be permanently unelectable as well!

Because they would lose their conservative support base to parties like PUP.
Yes Labor has the issue of trying to please too many different camps.
If Labor ignores their progressive camp, that would be all good for the Greens.
So whatever Labor does or doesn't do, from my angle it's all good.

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Reply #14 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:26pm

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

____ wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:51pm:

Certainly the best time for Labor to reform and become a progressive party like the Greens. Unfortunately Labor will not.

I so wish Labor would become like the Greens. they they can be permanently unelectable as well!

Because they would lose their conservative support base to parties like PUP.
Yes Labor has the issue of trying to please too many different camps.
If Labor ignores their progressive camp, that would be all good for the Greens.
So whatever Labor does or doesn't do, from my angle it's all good.

Labors salvation is in part with totally jettisoning the crazy Greens just as almost every senior person has said. That and working on the union overrepresentation problem. joining with the greens led them to their LOWEST VOTE EVER.

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