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Reply #105 - May 3rd, 2014 at 12:37pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am:
Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.


I agree with that ... sack them all and start again, anyone who is a member of any of the parties cannot run

We shouldn't tar them all with the same brush. There's a few decent people in politics.

It's why I like Xenophon a lot. I would vote for him if he lived in my state.
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Reply #106 - May 3rd, 2014 at 12:37pm
 
If you retrospectively pay on primary votes, you are continuing to entrench the current two parties anyway - and thus are working against democracy.  Same with paying based on party members.

ALL parties and independents should receive equal funding and thus be permitted to mount an equal campaign.

Donations need to include volunteer work too - and ensure that equal treatment is given fairly.

Some of the best-paid volunteers in the world sit at polling booths.... and you only get the volunteer party workers you pay for.....
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Reply #107 - May 3rd, 2014 at 12:37pm
 
Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:35pm:
Bam wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:11pm:
Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am:
Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.

Agreed.

And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder.

A few ideas:
  • Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead
  • Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared
  • The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year
  • Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering.
  • No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties
  • Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations.
  • Spending on campaigns to be capped


Let's not complicate life.
Let's not give anyone an excuse.
No political donations.
Every political party should have access to TV and Radio and have equal time on each.  It should be part of the license deal for those media at election times.


that'll work  ....  Wink
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Reply #108 - May 3rd, 2014 at 12:38pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 10:33am:
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 9:13am:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 7:43am:
John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:17pm:
... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army .....


He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ...


so what? he went to the nearest cash box and helped himself?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

and people voted for this twat?


He made a mistake. Haven't YOU ever made a mistake?

Didn't you ever drive down a One Way street by accident? Or phone up the wrong number? Or put your jocks on back-to-front in a darkened bedroom? Or use your partner's toothbrush by accident?

Glass houses, Bucko.




You sound like Troy Buswell......And no I have never done what Troy has done!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #109 - May 3rd, 2014 at 12:39pm
 
Bam wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am:
Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.


I agree with that ... sack them all and start again, anyone who is a member of any of the parties cannot run

We shouldn't tar them all with the same brush. There's a few decent people in politics.

It's why I like Xenophon a lot. I would vote for him if he lived in my state.


you can name one out of the hundreds ... doesn't that concern you?

poli's make decisions that adversly affect innocent bystanders all the time ... its time they got the same medicine. Xenophon (and I agree he seems pretty decent) and a few other innocents parties will just have to cop it.
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Reply #110 - May 3rd, 2014 at 12:42pm
 
Mr X is a media junkie who in all his years in Parliament has not been able to reduce the number of pokies by even one machine. So now he is changing his branding so people won’t ask him why he hasn’t stopped a single pokie machine. Blah!
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Reply #111 - May 3rd, 2014 at 12:43pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:22pm:
mistake my arse ... no one takes $7000 by mistake . Gullible fools like you are the reaso we have so much corruption ... they count on it.


Since the luvvies took over the judiciary ~ no one is guilty of 'crimes'. The people in jail are there because they all made 'a mistake'.

Talk to any social worker who deals with prisoners and they'll tell you the inmates are in jail only because they made 'a mistake'.

It's considered vulgar and 'insensitive' to even 'think' that prisoners are guilty of crimes. It's THEY who are the victims, stupid.  Cool
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Reply #112 - May 3rd, 2014 at 12:45pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:43pm:
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:22pm:
mistake my arse ... no one takes $7000 by mistake . Gullible fools like you are the reaso we have so much corruption ... they count on it.


Since the luvvies took over the judiciary ~ no one is guilty of 'crimes'. The people in jail are there because they all made 'a mistake'.

Talk to any social worker who deals with prisoners and they'll tell you the inmates are in jail only because they made 'a mistake'.

It's considered vulgar and 'insensitive' to even 'think' that prisoners are guilty of crimes. It's THEY who are the victims, stupid.  Cool



did you overdose on your meds this morning? I don't care about you and your issues with your social worker .... stick to topic.
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Reply #113 - May 3rd, 2014 at 2:29pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:39pm:
Bam wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am:
Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.


I agree with that ... sack them all and start again, anyone who is a member of any of the parties cannot run

We shouldn't tar them all with the same brush. There's a few decent people in politics.

It's why I like Xenophon a lot. I would vote for him if he lived in my state.


you can name one out of the hundreds ... doesn't that concern you?

It does, a bit ... I can name one or two more, but the party political system would conceal the good people within the major parties.

I set the bar a bit lower. If a politician prefers to discuss differences of policies and not make personal attacks, I consider them acceptable.

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poli's make decisions that adversly affect innocent bystanders all the time ... its time they got the same medicine. Xenophon (and I agree he seems pretty decent) and a few other innocents parties will just have to cop it.

Xenophon won't have much to worry about. He made quota comfortably at the last election and he will be in the Senate for the rest of the decade.
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Reply #114 - May 5th, 2014 at 3:45pm
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/05/icac-turns-its-spotlight-on-nsw-nat...

The New South Wales Nationals party has been dragged into a corruption inquiry investigating the trading of illegal donations for political influence.

The Independent Commission Against Corruption (Icac) heard that in February 2011, the Nationals’ state director, Ben Franklin, emailed an executive at the Nathan Tinkler-owned property developer, Buildev, seeking political donations.

Darren Williams, the Buildev executive, received the email from Franklin saying the Nationals “would be delighted to accept support for our state election campaign as long as it is not from prohibited donors". At the time, political donations from developers such as Buildev were illegal in NSW.

Williams passed the email on to Troy Palmer, an executive with a Tinkler-owned thoroughbred stud, Patinack Farms, writing: “can you help him with 3 lots of $5[000] please mate”.

In another email between the two, Williams said: “mate need $20[000] in here to help these guys nats will be running ports”.

Counsel assisting the inquiry, Geoffrey Watson, SC, told Williams that he was arranging donations to the Nationals “because you knew in effect you had to buy their favour”.

“No,” Williams replied.

It was alleged last week that donations amounting to $66,000 from Buildev were funnelled through Patinack Farms to Eightbyfive, a sham company run by Tim Koelma, a former staffer of the sacked Liberal energy minister, Chris Hartcher.

The commission is investigating allegations that Hartcher and other MPs on the central coast solicited donations from illegal donors, which they channelled into slush funds and used to bankroll their 2011 election campaigns. The money was allegedly traded for political influence on planning decisions.

At the beginning of the inquiry’s second week, Watson also suggested that payments had been made “under the table” to the campaign of the current Liberal member for Newcastle, Tim Owen.

Further evidence was also presented of contact between Williams, Hartcher and the former police minister Mike Gallacher.

Gallacher resigned from the NSW ministry on Friday after being accused of “hatching a corrupt scheme” to hide prohibited donations from property developers to the Liberal party.

Days after the Liberals won the 2011 state election, Williams texted Gallacher and Hartcher with virtually identical messages warning that a rival organisation was meeting the then-treasurer, Mike Baird, to push for a container terminal at Mayfield, Newcastle. At the time Tinkler’s group was lobbying for a coal loader to be built on the site.

“Why were you informing Mr Gallacher of that? What could he do with that information?” Watson asked Williams.

“I was just informing him,” Williams replied, adding that he thought Gallacher might help put the Tinkler group’s case forward.

“Why would Mr Gallacher be putting your case forward?” Watson pressed.

“I don’t know,” Williams replied.

Tired of answers in this vein, Watson at one stage labelled the Tinkler associate an “inveterate liar”. He also accused the witness of conspiring to “make up a story to fool Icac” after the investigation into Eightbyfive had begun.

In an email Tinkler sent in April 2013, Williams said: “Spoke to Michael from Icac today they are reviewing a marketing company in central coast that we have used in the past. I have copies of all our invoices. All Patinack has done has engaged them to do some marketing that's it.”

Later that day Williams texted a Tinkler staffer explaining the “NT [Nathan Tinkler] message was to protect him in case any poo goes down”.

The inquiry continues.

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Reply #115 - May 5th, 2014 at 4:19pm
 
its all pretty sad.. to do this underhand is pretty shocking... I am beginning  to wonder how they will ever win back faith....I am so turned off by all this.
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Reply #116 - May 5th, 2014 at 4:59pm
 
cods wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 4:19pm:
its all pretty sad.. to do this underhand is pretty shocking... I am beginning  to wonder how they will ever win back faith....I am so turned off by all this.

If you've got a lazy five and a half grand lying about - you could 'donate' it to Joe Hockey and buy a bit of time to discuss the problem with him

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Reply #117 - May 5th, 2014 at 5:13pm
 
somone should give a few pensioners $5000 so that they can go and talk to him too, explain to him the realities of being a pensioner .... same applies to unemployed or single mums

thats why the libs continuously ignore them, not enough bribe money .....
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Reply #118 - May 5th, 2014 at 5:16pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 5:13pm:
somone should give a few pensioners $5000 so that they can go and talk to him too, explain to him the realities of being a pensioner .... same applies to unemployed or single mums

thats why the libs continuously ignore them, not enough bribe money .....

A few pensioners could go in together for corporate membership of the "Friends of Joe" club at the very reasonable price of $11,000.  Then they would also get a "Private VIP Boardroom Function".

http://www.northsydneyforum.com.au/media-files/standard-pages/content-pieces/29/...
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Reply #119 - May 5th, 2014 at 5:17pm
 
rabbitoh08 wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 5:16pm:
John Smith wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 5:13pm:
somone should give a few pensioners $5000 so that they can go and talk to him too, explain to him the realities of being a pensioner .... same applies to unemployed or single mums

thats why the libs continuously ignore them, not enough bribe money .....

A few pensioners could go in together for corporate membership of the "Friends of Joe" club at the very reasonable price of $11,000.  Then they would also get a "Private VIP Boardroom Function".


Does Joe expect them to provide dinner for him to? thats a years worth of pension just there. ....
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