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Reply #60 - Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:17pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table.

It will do away with SOME of the corruption. There's still the issue of paid holidays and $3500 bottles of wine.

And as sure as eggs, as soon as you cut off one options others will be exploded and exploited Angry

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The price of reduced corruption is continual vigilance Wink

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Long live the ICAC

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Reply #61 - Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:24pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 6:17am:

cods wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 9:29pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Where's our mate labourarecorrupt?

Bet he won't show his face around this thread.

Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean.

now now Peter when have I ever said they were??????????, fair go you lefties never stop do you, I am one of the few that never stands up for my own side if they do the wrong thing..

since when have you condemned OBEID I have yet to see it?...

in fact the Obeid threads were avoided by every lefty on here..and if their name him and THOMO were brought up just to remind you guys how bad some of your people have been .. didnt they yelp...

at least give me a bit of credit once in a while ..

O'Farrell where did I make excuses for him??>.

yet THOMO all we got were excuse and C&P from the Independent telling us how honest he was and everyone else was guilty bar him..

thats right even his name was spelt wrong.so he must be innocent.... but no mention of him calling himself Jeff Thompson.. Roll Eyes

what do you think should happen to OBEID and Mcdonald.??? throw in tripodi whilst you are thinking about it.... I would like to know what the left think should happen to them..

their crime was a lot worse than the Premiers and it cost him his job..

those guys have no job to lose do they?

so what punishment would you give them?

I will condemn Obeid and co when they are tried and convicted.

As for sentencing, that is up to the judge.

oh thats a cop out Pete...you are condemning righties and they havent even been accused...

Hang on.

Which "righties" have I condemned?

Apart from this laborarecorrupt idiot who is strangely absent from this discussion.

What a surprise. Maybe you could send him an invitation?

sorry pete it was a generic YOU.. meaning lefties. in general..

calling someone an idiot is not demeaning oh well.. Roll Eyes

why should I send anyone a message do it yourself.. lazy thing.

dont be surprised pete! when the boot was on the other foot we were flat out getting any response on the topic it was usually personal attacks only..

its a shame the boards are now going down same path again...personal insults.. doesnt matter what the topic is..I find it hard to believe that people cannot ignore those they dislike...or just cannot find some way to agree to disagree without being unpleasant..

never mind pete I am sure your love of laborarecorrupt...will inspire him to come back.. maybe on holidays who knows.. I have noticed kat is missing havent seen him in a while or adelcrow....you must miss them as well.

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Re: ICAC Starting to bite the Libs
Reply #62 - Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:28pm

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table.

It will do away with SOME of the corruption. There's still the issue of paid holidays and $3500 bottles of wine.

And as sure as eggs, as soon as you cut off one options others will be exploded and exploited Angry

.

The price of reduced corruption is continual vigilance Wink

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Long live the ICAC

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a slush fund is one thing... but lining your own pockets is something else again..

I am so waiting to see what jail time they get..

if its anything like what was given to THOMO.. we must ask ourselves..

whats the POINT>. really what is the POINT>..

3 months is hardly a life sentence in todays society they can go on and on and on look at ALan Bond..he came out just the same as he went in.. RICH><

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Reply #64 - Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:20pm

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table.

It will do away with SOME of the corruption. There's still the issue of paid holidays and $3500 bottles of wine.

And as sure as eggs, as soon as you cut off one options others will be exploded and exploited Angry

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The price of reduced corruption is continual vigilance Wink

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Long live the ICAC

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Well said.

As long as people are short of cash for what they need or want, there will always be people who are open to corruption. It's never going to go away.

The most that can be done is to keep it to a minimum, and part of this should be to give very heavy sentences to those who are caught, so this acts as a deterrent ... which, needless to say, doesn't happen.

And so the war on corruption through instrumentalities such as ICAC is mostly pantomime and window-dressing, with the worst of the culprits getting very lenient sentences that justify the risks they took to reap a fortune through dishonest means.

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Reply #65 - Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:29pm

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

whats the POINT>. really what is the POINT>..

3 months is hardly a life sentence in todays society ...

It's a slap-on-the-wrist that let's others know that it's worth taking the risk to commit these sort of crimes that can reap a small fortune. Every lenient sentence is a gold-framed "Better Luck Next Time!" goodwill message to these sort of rorters.

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Reply #66 - Apr 30^th, 2014 at 12:07am

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/23058784/icac-nsw-builder-tells-inquiry-into-party-d...

A funny thing happened on the way to the ICAC...

For those who say 'only $5000' - the total amount was hundreds of thousands.

Looks like the suggestion of publicly funded election campaigns could be a starter. Would certainly open up the field for the new independent or party......

I've always supported public funding.

You need to work out a formula.

But it would be open, transparent.

Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table.

Joh.. JOH - don't you worry about that - just leave that, you know, leave that paper bag under the table, you mark my words, not one word will pass out of this room!

Yes - a cast iron formula would need to be in place and wherever there is a system some rat will find a way to get around it.

Cost of enforcement would be huge, and thus we could only rely on the 'halo effect' of shooting only one in ten....

You have to understand these things - one reason for public servant corruption in taking cash is a conspiracy in which a form/application will be 'hand carried' through the system - since only one in ten AT MOST will be checked.

Look at your Tax people and so forth.. your government handout people for education and so forth.... welfare.. health system in Queensland in recent memory...how many times has a public servant gotten off with millions...

Enforcement and control are very difficult issues in such an environment....

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Reply #67 - Apr 30^th, 2014 at 12:11am

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table.

It will do away with SOME of the corruption. There's still the issue of paid holidays and $3500 bottles of wine.

And as sure as eggs, as soon as you cut off one options others will be exploded and exploited Angry

.

The price of reduced corruption is continual vigilance Wink

.

Long live the ICAC

.

Well said.

As long as people are short of cash for what they need or want, there will always be people who are open to corruption. It's never going to go away.

The most that can be done is to keep it to a minimum, and part of this should be to give very heavy sentences to those who are caught, so this acts as a deterrent ... which, needless to say, doesn't happen.

And so the war on corruption through instrumentalities such as ICAC is mostly pantomime and window-dressing, with the worst of the culprits getting very lenient sentences that justify the risks they took to reap a fortune through dishonest means.

Deterrent/halo effect as above.... an issue that itself can engender corruption of another sort - you need only to look at 'traffic infringements' to see that - a cop at night on a highway will just grab people at random under the assumption that they will be speeding anyway at some time at night so why not get them - and when the rest see the flashing blue and red (bleed) of the victim's lifeblood on the road - they slow down.

Helps but does not cure, but creates another generation of victims..... perhaps a lengthy stay in a gulag would help.... on proof positive....

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Reply #68 - Apr 30^th, 2014 at 12:16am

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

whats the POINT>. really what is the POINT>..

3 months is hardly a life sentence in todays society ...

It's a slap-on-the-wrist that let's others know that it's worth taking the risk to commit these sort of crimes that can reap a small fortune. Every lenient sentence is a gold-framed "Better Luck Next Time!" goodwill message to these sort of rorters.

I knew some guys once who robbed a pizza boy and got fifteen months or so... an Aboriginal guy worked out they got a month for each ten dollars or so... DUM....

Bondie got away with a MINIMUM of $50m - got two years and a drool at the next round...

Hmm - $25m a year...

In my first book (part two) I cite the case of an 'Asian' (you guess which group) drug dealer who got two years for dealing - his response?

"I do this two years - I here, my girlfriend in my house already paid and look after.. I am look after here.. I own one house, paying for one more! If I caught again - maybe get five year - nothing for what I get!"

His children will one day be doctors, lawyers and politicians and will run this country - the rest will be struggling to stay alive.

TRUTH!

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Reply #69 - Apr 30^th, 2014 at 12:21am

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table.

It will do away with SOME of the corruption. There's still the issue of paid holidays and $3500 bottles of wine.

And as sure as eggs, as soon as you cut off one options others will be exploded and exploited Angry

.

The price of reduced corruption is continual vigilance Wink

.

Long live the ICAC

.

a slush fund is one thing... but lining your own pockets is something else again..

I am so waiting to see what jail time they get..

if its anything like what was given to THOMO.. we must ask ourselves..

whats the POINT>. really what is the POINT>..

3 months is hardly a life sentence in todays society they can go on and on and on look at ALan Bond..he came out just the same as he went in.. RICH><

... and a slush fund that benefits you and allows you to be elected and THEN line your pockets is??

Stand back and do some solid thinking, Grasshopper...

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Reply #70 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 2:34pm

Another one bites the dust.....

Police minister Michael Gallacher accused of colluding in corrupt political donations scheme

NSW Premier Mike Baird concedes the corruption allegations against his police minister are serious.

“I’m aware of the allegations,” Mr Baird told reporters in Canberra. “They are serious.”

He says he will comment further later on Friday

Mr Gallacher was accused this morning of hatching a corrupt scheme to solicit illegal donations from mining magnate Nathan Tinkler.

Mr Watson SC accused Buildev boss Darren Williams of colluding with Mr Gallacher over a corrupt political donation scheme.

Buildev is Mr Tinkler’s property developing company.

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/police-minister-michael-gallacher-accuse...

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Reply #71 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 2:40pm

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:24pm: