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Re: ICAC Starting to bite the Libs
Reply #90 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 9:13am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 7:43am:

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 9:17pm:

... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army .....

He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ...

so what? he went to the nearest cash box and helped himself? Grin

and people voted for this twat?

He made a mistake. Haven't YOU ever made a mistake?

Didn't you ever drive down a One Way street by accident? Or phone up the wrong number? Or put your jocks on back-to-front in a darkened bedroom? Or use your partner's toothbrush by accident?

Glass houses, Bucko.

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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: ICAC Starting to bite the Libs Reply #91 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:36am Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 11:25pm: John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 9:17pm: no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army ..... Hmm - mate of mine, now deceased, was a WO in Provosts after being a WO in the SAS.. he would have accidentally shot him. Apt
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Reply #92 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:12am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Didn't you ever drive down a One Way street by accident?

No. Never.
Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Or phone up the wrong number?

Gees, it been a long time 10-15 years ago. And then maybe once or twice.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Or put your jocks on back-to-front in a darkened bedroom?

No. Never

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Or use your partner's toothbrush by accident?

No. Never.

But I've been in the military and know you never get anything without signing in triplicate. And cash is never left just lying around, never. Not in the barracks and not in an office, never.

You can lose 20,000 in battlke but if you lose your pistol, a marked map or cash you will be courtmarshalled - peace time or war time.
Mr Gibson is lying through his teeth. No court nor investigating officer would believe the BS. If no conviction was recorded it would only have been for a reason other than his innocence or lack of evidence.

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Reply #93 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:50am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 9:13am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 7:43am:

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 9:17pm:

... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army .....

He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ...

so what? he went to the nearest cash box and helped himself? Grin

and people voted for this twat?

He made a mistake.

What is your evidence for this? Or is this just your unfounded opinion?

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Reply #95 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:11pm

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:53am:

Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.

Agreed.

And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder.

A few ideas:

Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead
Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared
The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year
Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering.
No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties
Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations.
Spending on campaigns to be capped

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Reply #96 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:15pm

cods wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 2:40pm:

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 6:17am:

cods wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 9:29pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Where's our mate labourarecorrupt?

Bet he won't show his face around this thread.

Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean.

now now Peter when have I ever said they were??????????, fair go you lefties never stop do you, I am one of the few that never stands up for my own side if they do the wrong thing..

since when have you condemned OBEID I have yet to see it?...

in fact the Obeid threads were avoided by every lefty on here..and if their name him and THOMO were brought up just to remind you guys how bad some of your people have been .. didnt they yelp...

at least give me a bit of credit once in a while ..

O'Farrell where did I make excuses for him??>.

yet THOMO all we got were excuse and C&P from the Independent telling us how honest he was and everyone else was guilty bar him..

thats right even his name was spelt wrong.so he must be innocent.... but no mention of him calling himself Jeff Thompson.. Roll Eyes

what do you think should happen to OBEID and Mcdonald.??? throw in tripodi whilst you are thinking about it.... I would like to know what the left think should happen to them..

their crime was a lot worse than the Premiers and it cost him his job..

those guys have no job to lose do they?

so what punishment would you give them?

I will condemn Obeid and co when they are tried and convicted.

As for sentencing, that is up to the judge.

oh thats a cop out Pete...you are condemning righties and they havent even been accused...

Hang on.

Which "righties" have I condemned?

Apart from this laborarecorrupt idiot who is strangely absent from this discussion.

What a surprise. Maybe you could send him an invitation?

sorry pete it was a generic YOU.. meaning lefties. in general..

calling someone an idiot is not demeaning oh well.. Roll Eyes

why should I send anyone a message do it yourself.. lazy thing.

dont be surprised pete! when the boot was on the other foot we were flat out getting any response on the topic it was usually personal attacks only..

its a shame the boards are now going down same path again...personal insults.. doesnt matter what the topic is..I find it hard to believe that people cannot ignore those they dislike...or just cannot find some way to agree to disagree without being unpleasant..

never mind pete I am sure your love of laborarecorrupt...will inspire him to come back.. maybe on holidays who knows.. I have noticed kat is missing havent seen him in a while or adelcrow....you must miss them as well.

When I go on holiday at Xmas, I'll take my IPad. Why not?

I don't miss any of the people you mentioned.

But if you left, I'd miss you......so hang on it there.

me too pete so dont you go anywhere either..

we have to have different perspectives otherwise life would be one big bore wouldnt it..

I trust all is well in your world..

Yep, all is fine.

May be moving quite soon, but will remain in the valley. This place is my home and I'm staying put.

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Re: ICAC Starting to bite the Libs
Reply #97 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm

Bam wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:53am:

Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.

Agreed.

And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder.

A few ideas:

Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead
Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared
The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year
Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering.
No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties
Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations.
Spending on campaigns to be capped

I see some problems.

Under your rules, anyone wanting to give, say, $20,000 to a party could easily give it in $500 lots and avoid any publicity.

I support banning ALL private funding.

The parties would receive public funding based on their membership numbers. The more members, the more dosh.

May sound extreme, but would be totally open. We would all know who got what and where it came from.

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Re: ICAC Starting to bite the Libs
Reply #98 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:22pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 9:13am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 7:43am:

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 9:17pm:

... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army .....

He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ...

so what? he went to the nearest cash box and helped himself? Grin

and people voted for this twat?

He made a mistake. Haven't YOU ever made a mistake?

Didn't you ever drive down a One Way street by accident? Or phone up the wrong number? Or put your jocks on back-to-front in a darkened bedroom? Or use your partner's toothbrush by accident?

Glass houses, Bucko.

mistake my arse ... no one takes $7000 by mistake . Gullible fools like you are the reaso we have so much corruption ... they count on it.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75893 Gender:	Re: ICAC Starting to bite the Libs Reply #99 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:26pm Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:53am: Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better. I agree with that ... sack them all and start again, anyone who is a member of any of the parties cannot run
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Reply #100 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:28pm

Bam wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:53am:

Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.

Agreed.

And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder.

A few ideas:

Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead
Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared
The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year
Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering.
No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties
Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations.
Spending on campaigns to be capped

an even easier way, publicly fund election campaigns. Do not allow private funds into campaigns at all. Everyone gets the same amount, and given what the taxpayers spend to uncover all this corruption, it will probably save us a small fortune as well.

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Reply #101 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:30pm

Peter Freedman wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bam wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:53am:

Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.

Agreed.

And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder.

A few ideas:

Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead
Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared
The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year
Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering.
No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties
Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations.
Spending on campaigns to be capped

I see some problems.

Under your rules, anyone wanting to give, say, $20,000 to a party could easily give it in $500 lots and avoid any publicity.

I support banning ALL private funding.

The parties would receive public funding based on their membership numbers. The more members, the more dosh.

May sound extreme, but would be totally open. We would all know who got what and where it came from.

what happens the next time Murdoch runs a front page with 'time to kick this mob out'.... isn't that also a private donation to the liberal party?

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Reply #102 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm

Peter Freedman wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bam wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:53am:

Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.

Agreed.

And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder.

A few ideas:

Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead
Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared
The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year
Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering.
No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties
Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations.
Spending on campaigns to be capped

I see some problems.

Under your rules, anyone wanting to give, say, $20,000 to a party could easily give it in $500 lots and avoid any publicity.

My understanding of existing rules was that it was assessed on the totals, not the size of the individual donations.

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I support banning ALL private funding.

The parties would receive public funding based on their membership numbers. The more members, the more dosh.

It would be problematic to do it this way. It is better to allocate funding based on the number of primary votes.

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May sound extreme, but would be totally open. We would all know who got what and where it came from.

We do need better accountability and transparency. The wall of concealment that parties erect around their financial backers - the Liberals in particular - should be torn down so we can see what is going on.

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Reply #103 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:35pm

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:22pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 9:13am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 7:43am:

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 9:17pm:

... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army .....

He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ...

so what? he went to the nearest cash box and helped himself? Grin

and people voted for this twat?

He made a mistake. Haven't YOU ever made a mistake?

Didn't you ever drive down a One Way street by accident? Or phone up the wrong number? Or put your jocks on back-to-front in a darkened bedroom? Or use your partner's toothbrush by accident?

Glass houses, Bucko.

mistake my arse ... no one takes $7000 by mistake . Gullible fools like you are the reaso we have so much corruption ... they count on it.

It was his other self not him who wrote out the dogdy invoices, it was his other self who spent the criminal obtained money, it was his other self who faced non specific criminal charges, it was his other self who was found guilty of specific criminal charges, it was his other self placed on a good behaviour for his other selfs criminal behaviour, but its himself doing a sickie till next election, apparently a bit woozy in the tum tum. Never mind all better soon, a good old paid rest and pension and all will fade away.

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Reply #104 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:35pm

Bam wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:53am:

Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.

Agreed.

And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder.

A few ideas:

Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead
Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared
The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year
Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering.
No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties
Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations.
Spending on campaigns to be capped

Let's not complicate life.
Let's not give anyone an excuse.
No political donations.
Every political party should have access to TV and Radio and have equal time on each. It should be part of the license deal for those media at election times.

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