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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #105 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 9:06am

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So with the weakening of the racial discrimination laws - do you think its going to increase or decrease the amount of extemist views?

I think it would make bugger all difference. The only difference it will make is whether you hear them, and whether they can sneak up on society.

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On this subject then, so just how the current changes to Racial Discrimination law would help you getting rid of or silence those some of those views that you so fearful about?

What makes you think I want to silence certain views?

Do you get the concept that having a right to be a bigot, Nazi, Muslim or communist is not the same as being free from criticism for holding those views?

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #106 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:06am

Mattywisk wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 1:15am:

True Colours wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 9:29pm:

true colours, - you also know of the first Islamic terrorist here ?

There were plenty of Christian terrorists in Australia, shooting and poisoning Aboriginal civilians for more than century.

We know that in recent history, every mass shooting, bombing, and hijacking attempt ever committed by Australian citizens were all done by Christians.

Incorrect.

For them to do so would fly in the face of what a Christian is. Anyone can commit a crime and call themselves a Christian all they want yet they still are not according to the doctrine.

Much crime has been committed under the banner of calling themselves Christians yet they clearly were not according to Christian doctrine.

Unlike Islam where the scriptures can be quoted to justify their crimes and the doctrine is still applicable to the way they live today.

I have never seen the scriptures that muslim extremists use today be refuted yet by a muslim above the deathly silence of the so called moderates. Yet you can quiet easily quote Christian teachings denouncing the things you have just tried to pin on them. Clearly they were not Christians at all. At best hypocritical heathens flying under the banner of Christianity.

Correct mattywisk.

We often see moslems [and atheist apologists for moslems], try to fabricate a moral equivalence to ISLAM and to Christianity.

They will try to project an illegal morality upon Christians and Christianity, by presenting a fallacious comparison between [what is] the 'lawful' behaviour of moslems and what would be the un-lawful behaviour of Christians.

e.g.
It is apparent that if Christians ever killed their critics [or a critic of Jesus teachings], they would be acting against their religion.

Whereas, whenever moslems kill their critics, and the critics of their 'religion', moslems are merely imitating the 'lawful' actions of Mohammed, a person who is regarded by all moslems, as the most virtuous moslem.

e.g.

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Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’ ”

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1360381351/0#0

And Allah himself has declared, that because Mohammed was an extraordinarily righteous man [in Allah's eyes], that Mohammed was the example, the type of man that other moslem men were to imitate, in their own deeds.

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct)
for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah."

Koran 33.21

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #107 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:32am

tickleandrose wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 8:34am:

re Freediver

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So that's your answer to all the evil crap in Islam - too busy to think about it, I'm just a normal guy who eats corn flakes for breakfast?

Dont believe me? Look up Mosque / church participation rate in Islamic countries.

tickleandrose,

Hagia Sophia, in Turkey, was built by Christians.

It is a Christian cathedral.

How many Christians are permitted [by Turkish authorities] to worship in Hagia Sophia ?

"Hagia Sophia.....is a former patriarchal basilica, later a mosque, now a museum in Istanbul, Turkey......It was the largest cathedral ever built in the world for nearly a thousand years....It was the patriarchal church of the Patriarch of Constantinople and the religious focal point of the Eastern Orthodox Church for nearly 1000 years.
In 1453, Constantinople was conquered by the Ottoman Turks and Sultan Mehmed II ordered the building to be converted into the Ayasofya Mosque."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia

Iran: Seven historic synagogues in Tehran destroyed
Tehran, 15 April [2008] (AKI) - Seven ancient synagogues in the Iranian capital, Tehran, have been destroyed by local authorities.
The synagogues were in the Oudlajan suburb of Tehran, where many Iranian Jews used to live.
"These buildings, which were part of our cultural, artistic and architectural heritage were burnt to the ground," said Ahmad Mohit Tabatabaii, the director of the International Council of Museums’ (ICOM) office in Tehran.
"With the excuse of renovating this ancient quarter, they are erasing a part of our history," said Tabatabaii.
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=1.0.2075294012

16 May 2006
Pressure on multi-faith Malaysia
Malaysia is considering its multi-cultural credentials after a crowd of Muslims on Sunday broke up a meeting called to defend the rights of religious minorities.
...."I'm becoming an alien in Malaysia, in my own country," says Dr Jacob George.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4965580.stm

Destruction of Non-Muslim Worship Centers Riles Faith Minorities in Malaysia
By Sean Yoong for AP:
April 01, 2007
PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia - The cavernous pink Putra Mosque with its soaring minaret is one of the most commanding sights and popular tourist photo backdrops in the new city of Putrajaya.
A house of worship for thousands of Muslims in the 8-year-old administrative capital of Malaysia, it is a showcase of the nation's dominant faith Islam.
But the mosque also highlights the fact that Putrajaya doesn't have a single church or temple a fact that minority Buddhists, Hindus and Christians see as one example of the second-class treatment other faiths get in this Muslim-majority country.
http://christianpost.com/article/20070330/destruction-of-non-muslim-worship-centers-riles-faith-minorities-in-malaysia.htm

Church demolished in Muslim-run state [Malaysia]
June 19 2007
Kuala Lumpur - Authorities have demolished a church in a Muslim-ruled state in northeast Malaysia, sparking anger among the indigenous people who say they own the property....
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=126&art_id=nw20070619141302153C420344

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #108 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:40am

Yadda wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:06am:

Mattywisk wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 1:15am:

True Colours wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 9:29pm:

true colours, - you also know of the first Islamic terrorist here ?

There were plenty of Christian terrorists in Australia, shooting and poisoning Aboriginal civilians for more than century.

We know that in recent history, every mass shooting, bombing, and hijacking attempt ever committed by Australian citizens were all done by Christians.

Incorrect.

For them to do so would fly in the face of what a Christian is. Anyone can commit a crime and call themselves a Christian all they want yet they still are not according to the doctrine.

Much crime has been committed under the banner of calling themselves Christians yet they clearly were not according to Christian doctrine.

Unlike Islam where the scriptures can be quoted to justify their crimes and the doctrine is still applicable to the way they live today.

I have never seen the scriptures that muslim extremists use today be refuted yet by a muslim above the deathly silence of the so called moderates. Yet you can quiet easily quote Christian teachings denouncing the things you have just tried to pin on them. Clearly they were not Christians at all. At best hypocritical heathens flying under the banner of Christianity.

Correct mattywisk.

We often see moslems [and atheist apologists for moslems], try to fabricate a moral equivalence to ISLAM and to Christianity.

They will try to project an illegal morality upon Christians and Christianity, by presenting a fallacious comparison between [what is] the 'lawful' behaviour of moslems and what would be the un-lawful behaviour of Christians.

e.g.
It is apparent that if Christians ever killed their critics [or a critic of Jesus teachings], they would be acting against their religion.

Whereas, whenever moslems kill their critics, and the critics of their 'religion', moslems are merely imitating the 'lawful' actions of Mohammed, a person who is regarded by all moslems, as the most virtuous moslem.

e.g.

Quote:

Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’ ”

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1360381351/0#0

And Allah himself has declared, that because Mohammed was an extraordinarily righteous man [in Allah's eyes], that Mohammed was the example, the type of man that other moslem men were to imitate, in their own deeds.

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct)
for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah."

Koran 33.21

This is where it starts from a position of moral or genetic superiority. Humans all humans have the capacity great evil and good. Don't forget we have a royal commission in the our Christian organisation actions currently on going. However that line of conversation counter productive, he said she said rubbish.
I'm glad that the proposed repeals will not succeed as most political parties, state premiers will oppose it, as they're know what the moderate majority of Australia believe. It will be our end if we become a bigoted state like Russia, as we do not have the economic or military power to stand alone as beacon for bigotry as the Russians.
The USA and Uk aren't of the same opinion so. I have no idea with where this restarted idea that the right to bigotry is something we need to progress our society

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #109 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:14pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 8:58am:

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No it is not the same thing. You completely misunderstand. Brandis never claimed that the right extended to not being judged for holding backwards and evil political views. He did not claim we have to constantly apologise for the Muslims, communists, Nazis etc.

It is you and Yadda are putting all Muslims and Nazis in the same category.

tickleandrose,

Your accusation is a misrepresentation, it is untrue.

It is moslems themselves, through their association with ISLAM, who are choosing to align themselves with Nazi ideas and ideals!

Google;
similarity between islam and nazism

Have a look at some of the Google hits that are presented.

Many of you may be surprised shocked!

Both ISLAM and Nazism promote totalitarianism as a method of achieving power, and maintaning political power

Dictionary;
totalitarian = = relating to a centralized and dictatorial system of government requiring complete subservience to the state.

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ISLAM and Nazism both promote totalitarianism

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65

"O ye who believe! ASK NOT QUESTIONS about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.
SOME PEOPLE BEFORE YOU DID ASK SUCH QUESTIONS, AND ON THAT ACCOUNT LOST THEIR FAITH."
Koran 5.101

Knowledge of truth, outside of ISLAM is prohibited....

""And believe no one unless he follows your religion." Say: "True guidance is the Guidance of Allah: (Fear ye) Lest a revelation be sent to someone (else) Like unto that which was sent unto you? or that those (Receiving such revelation) should engage you in argument before your Lord?" Say: "All bounties are in the hand of Allah: He granteth them to whom He pleaseth: And Allah careth for all, and He knoweth all things." "
Koran 3.073

Muslims are told not to suffer any criticism or scrutiny ['mockery or sport'] of Muhammad or their faith.....

"O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).
When ye proclaim your call to prayer they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding.
Say: "O people of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that hath come to us and that which came before (us), and (perhaps) that most of you are rebellious and disobedient?" "
Koran 5.057
v. 57-59

Obey the clerics only, don't be disobedient to ISLAM / clerics!!!......

"O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak).
Nor be like those who say, "We hear," but listen not:
For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb,- those who understand not."
Koran 8.020

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ALL MOSLEMS ARE THE COWARDLY, FAWNING SYCOPHANTS OF EVIL MEN AND OPPRESSORS - WHO ARE PRETENDING TO BE IN CHARGE OF [LEADING] A JUSTICE BASED RELIGION

FAWNING = = 'yes men'

SYCOPHANTS = = cowardly ar-se lickers

And my God has declared that it is the hot place, for all such people!

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

ISLAM = = "Let us do evil, so that good may come."

And every moslem is in agreement with that 'philosophy'.

Not a single moslem will be redeemed by my God.

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #110 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm

Rubin wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:40am:

This is where it starts from a position of moral or genetic superiority.

Rubin,

Not really.

God asks only this of us [of men],
That we seek HIM.

.....and that we love righteousness MORE THAN this world, and the things of this world.

But many men would prefer to spit in God's face.

Rubin wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:40am:

Humans all humans have the capacity great evil and good. Don't forget we have a royal commission in the our Christian organisation actions currently on going. However that line of conversation counter productive, he said she said rubbish.
I'm glad that the proposed repeals will not succeed as most political parties, state premiers will oppose it, as they're know what the moderate majority of Australia believe. It will be our end if we become a bigoted state like Russia, as we do not have the economic or military power to stand alone as beacon for bigotry as the Russians.
The USA and Uk aren't of the same opinion so. I have no idea with where this restarted idea that the right to bigotry is something we need to progress our society

Rubin,

Not stated, but in fact, your argument is, that truth = = bigotry.

That is a lie.

2 Thessalonians 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jeremiah 9:1
Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!
2 Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men; that I might leave my people, and go from them! for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men.
3 And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
4 Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.
5 And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
6 Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.

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Truth is simple.
Truth isn't complicated.
Truth is not hidden from men.
Truth is hidden by men.

Rubin,

Many people do not want to believe acknowledge, the truth.

Many people today, hate, the truth.

And yet the truth is never diminished, by those who reject the truth.

The integrity of truth remains intact, even though some will always reject it.

Dictionary;
integrity = =
1 the quality of having strong moral principles.
2 the state of being whole. the condition of being unified or sound in construction. internal consistency or lack of corruption in electronic data.

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #111 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 1:47pm

Yadda wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

Rubin wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:40am:

This is where it starts from a position of moral or genetic superiority.

Rubin,

Not really.

God asks only this of us [of men],
That we seek HIM.

.....and that we love righteousness MORE THAN this world, and the things of this world.

But many men would prefer to spit in God's face.

Rubin wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:40am:

Humans all humans have the capacity great evil and good. Don't forget we have a royal commission in the our Christian organisation actions currently on going. However that line of conversation counter productive, he said she said rubbish.
I'm glad that the proposed repeals will not succeed as most political parties, state premiers will oppose it, as they're know what the moderate majority of Australia believe. It will be our end if we become a bigoted state like Russia, as we do not have the economic or military power to stand alone as beacon for bigotry as the Russians.
The USA and Uk aren't of the same opinion so. I have no idea with where this restarted idea that the right to bigotry is something we need to progress our society

Rubin,

Not stated, but in fact, your argument is, that truth = = bigotry.

That is a lie.

2 Thessalonians 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jeremiah 9:1
Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!
2 Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men; that I might leave my people, and go from them! for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men.
3 And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
4 Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.
5 And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
6 Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.

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Truth is simple.
Truth isn't complicated.
Truth is not hidden from men.
Truth is hidden by men.

Rubin,

Many people do not want to believe acknowledge, the truth.

Many people today, hate, the truth.

And yet the truth is never diminished, by those who reject the truth.

The integrity of truth remains intact, even though some will always reject it.

Dictionary;
integrity = =
1 the quality of having strong moral principles.
2 the state of being whole. the condition of being unified or sound in construction. internal consistency or lack of corruption in electronic data.

Well doesn't really matter I don't care what believe in Islam or Christ or anything else just your al as mad as each other with your indoctrinated crap. It was there to give some guidance not just promote intolerance and to provide absolution for their despicable acts. Religion whatever faith or denomination is as corrupt as any other institution. That doesn't mean there aren't good people associated with them though.
God bothers all the same

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #112 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 2:45pm

Rubin wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 1:47pm:

Well doesn't really matter I don't care what believe in Islam or Christ or anything else just your al as mad as each other with your indoctrinated crap. It was there to give some guidance not just promote intolerance and to provide absolution for their despicable acts.

Religion whatever faith or denomination is as corrupt as any other institution.

That doesn't mean there aren't good people associated with them though.

God bothers all the same

That is right Rubin.

Christians, are just like moslems. Tongue

And that is your opinion because you don't want to discriminate(1) between them.

And that is your opinion because you don't have the wit, to discriminate(2) between them.

For 1, and 2, see below....

Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another. good judgement or taste.

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #113 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 2:57pm

After reading this I can't see how any muslim can take themselves seriously at all. No wonder there is no solice for them spiritually when the paganism is taken seriously.

Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’ ”

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Mohammed answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’ ”

Clearly mohammed was not a prophet from a real god at all. At the end of the day he was a cult leader of a cult made up in his head and based upon paganism of the day to build an army to go raping and pillaging for booty. Pure and simple. In fact I reckon he would be amazed at the following he has today after he died. The only reason that is the case is that evil mankind craves the same stuff mohammed did. That is the only reason islam survives today and that doesn't say much about this world. I feel sorry for the poor people bought up or forced with it that think its the true path to righteousness when clearly thats far from the case.

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #114 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 5:35pm

Yadda wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Rubin wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 1:47pm:

Well doesn't really matter I don't care what believe in Islam or Christ or anything else just your al as mad as each other with your indoctrinated crap. It was there to give some guidance not just promote intolerance and to provide absolution for their despicable acts.

Religion whatever faith or denomination is as corrupt as any other institution.

That doesn't mean there aren't good people associated with them though.

God bothers all the same

That is right Rubin.

Christians, are just like moslems. Tongue

And that is your opinion because you don't want to discriminate(1) between them.

And that is your opinion because you don't have the wit, to discriminate(2) between them.

For 1, and 2, see below....

Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another. good judgement or taste.

See what's going on in and around Russia remember Bosnia
Christian just the same . Both completely blinded by faith if you're not in the fold, you are a lessor. Wit has nothing to do with it I have no bias I know lots of good and bad on both side. Oh and forget about the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. That fanaticism so much different.
Oh please open your eyes, Cheesy

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #115 - May 5^th, 2014 at 12:50pm

Re Freediver.

Hi was busy busy over the weekend, hope you had a good time as well

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What makes you think I want to silence certain views?

Do you get the concept that having a right to be a bigot, Nazi, Muslim or communist is not the same as being free from criticism for holding those views?

I am all for constructive criticisms. To me, a bigot transcends race and religion. E.g. you can have a Christian bigot, a Muslim bigot, or a Communist bigot. They are entitled to their views, however, if they are using their views to hurt others, then they would have to prepare for the consequences.

My argument initially, is that we are a multi racial country. Our leaders should lead by example to encourage more an inclusive society (not just white Vs others, or someone - immigrant or not - think that they are better than others). And it is of my view that the relaxation of the racial discrimination law is detrimental and certainly bad timing at the moment.

That is until Yadda hijaked my idea, and claim that I somehow condone some religious war. Embarrassed

I dont even know how I got cornered like this!

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Reply #116 - May 5^th, 2014 at 12:57pm

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Hagia Sophia, in Turkey, was built by Christians.

It is a Christian cathedral.

How many Christians are permitted [by Turkish authorities] to worship in Hagia Sophia ?

I asked you to look at Mosque / Church participation rate. Meaning, check the percentage of population who are Islamic in Islamic countries, Vs the percentage of regular mosque participation. Check the rates in Islamic countries, and then check the rates here in Australia. Do a comparison. And you will find that alot of people have more real things to worry about than some religious crusade.

And then of course, you went into a religious frenzy by quoting selected passages from the Koran and the bible. You are one of the more extreme extremist I have ever encountered.

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Not a single moslem will be redeemed by my God.

And who is your God? What is your religion any way? I know you are quoting from the bible. But which school of Christian do you believe?

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Reply #117 - May 5^th, 2014 at 2:13pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

Re Yadda:

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Not a single moslem will be redeemed by my God.

And who is your God?

Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob....

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What is your religion any way? I know you are quoting from the bible. But which school of Christian do you believe?

I don't particularly like the term 'Christian'.

But i guess that i am, a Christian.

I was born, into a non-practising Anglican family.

I am a bible student, i became a bible student.

I read the bible every day, mostly.

I am a seeker of the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob.

I am an individual who is seeking forgiveness for all of my mistakes, in this place.

Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret.....

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #118 - May 5^th, 2014 at 3:06pm

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I don't particularly like the term 'Christian'.
But i guess that i am, a Christian.
I was born, into a non-practising Anglican family.
I am a bible student, i became a bible student.
I read the bible every day, mostly.
I am a seeker of the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob.
I am an individual who is seeking forgiveness for all of my mistakes, in this place.

Hey, that sound like my parents. They are sort of 'non proctising' Anglican as well.
What do you mean that you dont like the term Christian? So are you an Anglican? Or something else. It would be helpful for me to understand your perspective. And then, if I can, come up with an entertaining reply to your posts.

N.b. You sound really really like one of my brother's friend who is a Seventh Day Adventist - am I right? Roll Eyes

N.b. If you want to keep it a secret, can you at least tell if you believe in Jesus, the resurrection and the holy trinity.

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Rubin Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 493 Darwin Gender:	Re: Right To Bigotry? Reply #119 - May 5^th, 2014 at 4:22pm What I like about this thread is though people have opinions that are polar opposites they have been able to robustly state their points of view without reverting to straight out bigotry and remained the socials norm and laws of our society as it stands. Congratulations all Why do we now need to legislate change ?
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