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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #150 - May 7^th, 2014 at 10:02am

austranger wrote on May 6^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

   Don't you ever give up banging that broken drum Yadda?

      You seem to blithely ignore the simple truth, you're wrong.
There are literally billions of Muslims on this planet, multiple millions of them right on our doorstep in Indonesia and Malaysia alone. Yet where is all this psychotic religious behaviour you claim they have to follow?......

austranger,

Some moslem apologists will accuse critics of moslems/ISLAM, as stereotyping all moslems as violent and intolerant.

But such counter accusations [by moslems], are usually, merely the moslem community, seeking to project the guilt of their own [endorsement of] violence and bigotry and intolerance, onto their intended victims.

It is an attempt by moslems, to turn the circumstances around, 180 degrees, and to present themselves as the victims of religious persecution.

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austranger,

In Australia, we don't persecute moslems, because they are moslems.

In Australia, we 'persecute' moslems when they engage in criminal behaviour.

e.g. #1,
Like plotting to massacre 100's or 1,000's of Australians at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, on Grand Final Day.

Google;
mcg bombing plot by 'terrorists'

e.g. #2,
Like falsely accusing an innocent Australian police officer, of 'racial' harassment/intimidation.

Google;
carnita matthews

Google;
Carnita Matthews false racist complaint against Sydney policeman

THE HARMFUL, MALICIOUS AND DECEITFUL MOSLEM INTENT [against a host community]

In the Carnita Matthews matter, when her false accusations were exposed, Carnita Matthews did not apologise.

But instead she CONTINUED TO LIE, claiming that she, Carnita Matthews, was not the party/the person, who had made the false accusations!

ANOTHER EXAMPLE;

A group of moslems in Sydney, were convicted of plotting to massacre perhaps 100's or 1,000's of Australians.

Quote:

"....Two of their supporters at the back of the public gallery shouted in Arabic, "Be patient, Allah is with you" "

"..The sister for one of the convicted men said...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-02-15/five-sydney-men-jailed-over-terrorism-plot/331532
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/australia-5-jihadists-motivated-by-intolerant-inflexible-religious-conviction-sentenced-to-prison-te.html

We are told [it was revealed in court] that the brother of this moslem woman, liked to watch videos of moslems beheading 'infidels' [and now he can't watch them!].

This moslem woman's brother was a part of a plot that intended to murder many non-moslems, HERE IN AUSTRALIA!

But what is this moslem woman's response to Australian courts condemning her brothers violent intentions, and jailing him as a terrorist ???

Does this moslem woman express any contrition or shame, that her brother had intended to murder non-moslems, HERE IN AUSTRALIA! ???

No!

Rather this moslem woman portrays,
1/ that her brother,
2/ ISLAM, and
3/ the broader moslem community,
....are all the real victims!, because it is they, who are being persecuted by Australian laws and by the Australian justice system!!

Does she ever apologise to the Australian community, for what her brother tried to do ?

No!

After the conviction of her brother on terrorism charges, she complains, and shamelessly declares that;

'It's just not fair' - to ISLAM, and "to her community or religion."!!

She declares, 'Australians laws are so unfair!'

She declares, 'You Australians are persecuting us moslems!'

FROM THIS, AND OTHER EXAMPLES, WE SEE THAT ACCORDING TO MOSLEM PROPAGANDISTS PROTAGONISTS;

Any non-moslem who condemns moslem violence and bigotry and intolerance, is 'counter-projected' as being a bigot.

Any non-moslem society which defends itself, from ISLAM's culture of violent Jihad [so as to spread the influence of ISLAM/Sharia], is engaging in 'terrorism' against moslems. [<----- this is an accusation that has been made publicly, by an Indonesian cleric.]

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From what i know, from my study, of ISLAM's own texts, and doctrines, i would confidently make this statement...
Every good moslem in Australia [and indeed, every good moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.
Every moslem!
ISLAM is in fact, a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers'].
In my estimation, all good moslems do understand what their religious OBLIGATION is, to ISLAM, and to fellow moslems.
Those assertions i make, may be uncomfortable to some among us, but are based in TRUTH, and the truthful tenents of 'faith' which ISLAM teaches.

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Above, Yadda said;
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In Australia, we dont persecute moslems, because they are moslems.

In Australia, we 'persecute' moslems when they engage in criminal behaviour.

But in moslem majority jurisdictions non-moslems are routinely being persecuted, simply because they are NOT moslems.

Google;
minority persecuted, church destroyed, indonesia

Google;
minority persecuted, church destroyed, malaysia

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #151 - May 7^th, 2014 at 10:12am

austranger wrote on May 6^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

   Don't you ever give up banging that broken drum Yadda?

      You seem to blithely ignore the simple truth, you're wrong.
There are literally billions of Muslims on this planet, multiple millions of them right on our doorstep in Indonesia and Malaysia alone. Yet where is all this psychotic religious behaviour you claim they have to follow?
   We may not like the way they run their countries or the attitudes they display to some things we hold dear, but the simple fact is that they mostly do just as we do, get on with their individual lives as best they can within the social structure they're born into.
   YES, they have their fundamentalists and their looney fringe, and they have bombs and deaths, but by far the majority of the victims of those are the Muslims themselves.
   They're NOT invading this country or any other, they're NOT beheading Christians or any others, they're NOT launching Jihads at the drop of a hat, in fact they do seem to be rather placid and accepting, don't they?
Your massive posts and wild quotes from their Q'ran prove precisely nothing, other than your own obsessive pre-occupation with them, and your total misunderstanding of their actual way of life.
      Please, give it a rest, it's tedious having to constantly scroll past your irrational page-fillers.

      May the Great Wombat bless and guide you.
                                       Wink

austranger,

I am not falsely accusing ISLAM, nor am i falsely stereotyping moslems, as deceitful, violent and intolerant.

THE FACTS ARE;

ISLAM is a deceitful and violent philosophy.

ISLAM's own foundation texts declare and reveal that fact.

And it is truthful to say that ISLAMIC 'religious' doctrines, teach every moslem, that it is lawful for moslems to resort to, deceit, intimidation, threats of violence, AND, to engage in political violence [terrorism], in their efforts to achieve their political aims and political objectives - for ISLAM.

And, .....moslems choose to be, moslems.

And moslems [even moslems who have the opportunity, to living in a nation like Australia]
.....choose to associate themselves with what ISLAM is, and with what ISLAM promotes in the world.

Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Who is a moslem ???

Again, a moslem is a follower - of ISLAM.

BANG THE DRUM!

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"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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WHAT SHOULD AUSTRALIA DO ?

WHAT SHOULD AUSTRALIANS DO ?

HOW SHOULD AUSTRALIA 'CONFRONT' [AND PROTECT ITSELF FROM] THE 'OPPORTUNISTIC' AGGRESSION AND VIOLENCE, WHICH ISLAM INCULCATES INTO EVERY MOSLEM ?

In my opinion, all Australians should urge the Australian government, to,
1/ make ISLAM a proscribed [banned by law] group in Australia, and,
2/ all of ISLAM's cadres in Australia, need to be either detained or expelled from Australia.

In my opinion, we should seek to have our politicians bring forward legislation in our Australian parliament, to proscribe [ban] the membership of any ISLAMIC group - within Australia.

As a concession, any 'moslem' who is in Australia, and who is willing to publicly renounce ISLAM, should be permitted to remain in Australia.

BUT, if they are unwilling to renounce ISLAM, moslems can arrange to leave Australia, under their own steam, within 6 months.

And there should be serious penalties [e.g. decades in a remote desert goal, and/or subsequent expulsion from Australia], for every person who trespasses against such laws [those laws which declare ISLAM to be a proscribed group] and who remain, surreptitiously, members of an underground ISLAMIC group, within Australia.

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #152 - May 7^th, 2014 at 10:15am

Yadda wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

austranger wrote on May 6^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

   Don't you ever give up banging that broken drum Yadda?

      You seem to blithely ignore the simple truth, you're wrong.
There are literally billions of Muslims on this planet, multiple millions of them right on our doorstep in Indonesia and Malaysia alone. Yet where is all this psychotic religious behaviour you claim they have to follow?
   We may not like the way they run their countries or the attitudes they display to some things we hold dear, but the simple fact is that they mostly do just as we do, get on with their individual lives as best they can within the social structure they're born into.
   YES, they have their fundamentalists and their looney fringe, and they have bombs and deaths, but by far the majority of the victims of those are the Muslims themselves.
   They're NOT invading this country or any other, they're NOT beheading Christians or any others, they're NOT launching Jihads at the drop of a hat, in fact they do seem to be rather placid and accepting, don't they?
Your massive posts and wild quotes from their Q'ran prove precisely nothing, other than your own obsessive pre-occupation with them, and your total misunderstanding of their actual way of life.
      Please, give it a rest, it's tedious having to constantly scroll past your irrational page-fillers.

      May the Great Wombat bless and guide you.
                                       Wink

austranger,

I am not falsely accusing ISLAM, nor am i falsely stereotyping moslems, as deceitful, violent and intolerant.

THE FACTS ARE;

ISLAM is a deceitful and violent philosophy.

ISLAM's own foundation texts declare and reveal that fact.

And it is truthful to say that ISLAMIC 'religious' doctrines, teach every moslem, that it is lawful for moslems to resort to, deceit, intimidation, threats of violence, AND, to engage in political violence [terrorism], in their efforts to achieve their political aims and political objectives - for ISLAM.

And, .....moslems choose to be, moslems.

And moslems [even moslems who have the opportunity, to living in a nation like Australia]
.....choose to associate themselves with what ISLAM is, and with what ISLAM promotes in the world.

Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Who is a moslem ???

Again, a moslem is a follower - of ISLAM.

BANG THE DRUM!

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"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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WHAT SHOULD AUSTRALIA DO ?

WHAT SHOULD AUSTRALIANS DO ?

HOW SHOULD AUSTRALIA 'CONFRONT' [AND PROTECT ITSELF FROM] THE 'OPPORTUNISTIC' AGGRESSION AND VIOLENCE, WHICH ISLAM INCULCATES INTO EVERY MOSLEM ?

In my opinion, all Australians should urge the Australian government, to,
1/ make ISLAM a proscribed [banned by law] group in Australia, and,
2/ all of ISLAM's cadres in Australia, need to be either detained or expelled from Australia.

In my opinion, we should seek to have our politicians bring forward legislation in our Australian parliament, to proscribe [ban] the membership of any ISLAMIC group - within Australia.

As a concession, any 'moslem' who is in Australia, and who is willing to publicly renounce ISLAM, should be permitted to remain in Australia.

BUT, if they are unwilling to renounce ISLAM, moslems can arrange to leave Australia, under their own steam, within 6 months.

And there should be serious penalties [e.g. decades in a remote desert goal, and/or subsequent expulsion from Australia], for every person who trespasses against such laws [those laws which declare ISLAM to be a proscribed group] and who remain, surreptitiously, members of an underground ISLAMIC group, within Australia.

So on one hand you're essentially arguing for your right to be a bigot whilst simultaneously taking away the right for religious freedom and association. Well done.

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #153 - May 7^th, 2014 at 10:30am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 10:15am:

So on one hand you're essentially arguing for your right to be a bigot whilst simultaneously taking away the right for religious freedom and association. Well done.

Pastafarian,

Congratulations on your mental gymnastics, and 'contortions', .....and you resultant conclusion.

p.s.
I am happy for you to express your opinions.

Pastafarian,

'....taking away the right for religious freedom...'
?

QUESTION;
Is it culturally OK, for 'new Australians' to murder people [i.e. other Australians],
.....IF MURDER OF 'OTHERS' IS A 'CULTURAL NORM' FOR THEM ?

IMAGE...

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.
Moslems demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Right To Bigotry? Reply #154 - May 7^th, 2014 at 10:44am NO its not ok to murder anyone. But then has the guy in the photo actually murdered anyone?
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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Right To Bigotry? Reply #155 - May 7^th, 2014 at 10:54am Meanwhile Christians practice their free speech: http://heresyofthemonth.typepad.com/.a/6a0133eeb234af970b0154325b5368970c-pi
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Right To Bigotry? Reply #156 - May 7^th, 2014 at 10:58am You arent getting the point True Colours, its ok when Christians practice their right to free speech and threaten to murder people, but dare to be a Muslim and bang you're in trouble.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48844 At my desk.	Re: Right To Bigotry? Reply #157 - May 7^th, 2014 at 7:20pm I am yet to see a single placard from any other religion calling for murder. I have seen plenty from Muslims.
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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #158 - May 7^th, 2014 at 7:22pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 10:44am:

NO its not ok to murder anyone.

But then has the guy in the photo actually murdered anyone?

Pastafarian,

You seem very certain that this person [this moslem holding the placard], has never, would never, murder anyone.

Is that because you have no doubts [that he would never commit a violent act like murder], when spokesmen for the moslem community declare;

"[ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

???

Quote:

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith.

The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace.

It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

IMAGE...

Sydney, 2012.

Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Moslems, protesting on the streets of Sydney, Australia, demanding the right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 10:44am:

......has the guy in the photo actually murdered anyone?

Pastafarian,

Perhaps not.

But it is clear that many confederates of this person, have murdered people.

Dictionary;
confederate = = joined by an agreement or treaty. an accomplice or fellow worker.

IMAGE....

[image above] Here we have a group of 'peace loving' moslems, in Syria, engaging in their glorious religious duty, to rid the world of unbelief.

And do you see how happy these moslems are!!!

What is it that they are holding up ???

Source of image....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #159 - May 7^th, 2014 at 7:27pm

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There's no way you could prove a wild statement like that so I won't ask you to

Check the history of the Islamic empire. It expanded continually until the breaks were put on it, externally. Muslims have been trying to restart it ever since. Luckily there have been plenty of people around who were willing to make sure they fail.

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I'll merely add that I believe you to be wrong, completely wrong. You assume frustrated evil intent without any reason to do so.

Muslims have revealed that evil intent right here on this forum. They said it was inevitable. Starting with Israel, going all the way to Spain. A glorious military victory for Islam. That is why the Palestinians must never surrender. They must keep the violence going, because a glorious Muslim victory is just around the corner.

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They could have easily conquered the rest of Europe at any time but preferred to live in peace

So why did they invade Spain? Why did they try to invade modern day France?

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Once they were eventually driven out their areas reverted to the effective barbarism of Medieval Feudal Europe.

Spain was the most powerful nation in the world for a while.

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They discovered and introduced science

'Discovered' science?

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #162 - May 7^th, 2014 at 8:55pm

FD, I'm not going to discuss this point by point, it's obviously not worth the effort, I'll just answer a couple of yours and make an observation.

         You mistake sarcasm for fact.
The Moors went through an expansionary period, and that's hardly unique to them, is it? Then they were stopped, more by geography than anything else, settled down and built an advanced culture and civilisation.
   They developed science as a distinct branch of knowledge in a manner never before seen, and founded universities to research and teach it. The basis of Spanish power after they were driven out was almost completely due to the remnants of what the Moors had built there, and they slowly ruined that.
      My observation is that with your questions you have demonstrated the intellectual poverty of all such anti-Islamic bigots, you ignore any points you don't like to admit and selectively distort history and and any accomplishments of Islam.
      Your willful prejudice blinds you, to your own loss, it's sad to see that in otherwise normal people at any time, you have my sympathy in that respect. Undecided

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #164 - May 7^th, 2014 at 10:01pm

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The Moors went through an expansionary period, and that's hardly unique to them, is it?

It was part of a several century expansionary period of the early Caliphates. Luckily it came to an end, or we might all be living under Shariah law, whether we like it or not.

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Then they were stopped, more by geography than anything else

So the Mediterranean didn't stop them crossing from Africa to the Iberian peninsula, but a few hills did? They were stopped by europeans who saw quite clearly that an empire was expanding from the south and about to swallow them.

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They developed science as a distinct branch of knowledge in a manner never before seen

Crap. For such a long lived and wealthy empire, their contributions are remarkably limited, and did not break the mold of what came before.

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