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Reply #75 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 11:58am

      Yadda, I can see the problems caused by the unrestrained importation of Muslims to a Western nation as well as you, strewth, you'd have to be blind not to, but unlike you I don't see an answer in unrestrained prejudice and demonization of all Muslims.
      I prefer to argue for restrictions on immigration generally, of ALL races and religions, and for the understanding and acceptance of those already among us.
         The Australian society is an addictive thing, and highly absorbing of newcomers.
               You only need to look and listen in any schoolyard to see it, there's Vietnamese kids that if you close your eyes you cannot tell apart, and let's face it, who these days makes any trouble over an Italian or Greek surname? Yet at one time they were all at the receiving end of what Islam is today, xenophobia.
         Yes, Islamic Fundamentalism is a huge problem now, but radicalizing Australia's young Islamic believers by tarring them with that particular brush and abusing and rejecting them is only playing into the Fundamentalist's hands. If instead we sit back and engage with them, accept them, we can count on Australia absorbing them, their kids and grandkids will be as ridgy-didge dinky-di true-blue Aussies as all the "wog""dago" and "chink" and etc kids are now.
      Constantly quoting selectively from their Q'ran proves nothing at all, its in the interpretation and practice of that Holy Book that the truth lays. The Bible can also be selectively quoted to "prove", in your terms, what an evil and destructive religion Christianity "must be", yet do you or any sane person believe that even for a moment? No, you judge them by their actions, don't you?
         Well, apply the same measure to Australian Muslims, you'll sleep far better at night thereby, I assure you.

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Reply #76 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 12:31pm

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 9:01pm:

True Colours wrote on Apr 30^th, 2014 at 11:20pm:

So...free speech, should I or anyone else be allowed to advocate sending Jews to gas chambers?

Thoughts?

Cat got your tongue?

Is this like Muslims describing Muhammed beheading 800 unarmed Jewish POWs in one day as a noble act and an eternal example for mankind to follow?

Never happened.

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2014 at 9:01pm:

What about parroting on about how one day even the rocks and trees will help you slaughter Jews?

What you refer to is a prophecy about a future war, in which, Jews of some future age, will be following and supporting the anti-Christ in his war against Jesus.

So instead of deflecting, please answer the question; should people be allowed to go around suggesting building gas chambers and ovens for Jews?

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Reply #77 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 12:42pm

austranger wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

      Yadda, I can see the problems caused by the unrestrained importation of Muslims to a Western nation as well as you, strewth, you'd have to be blind not to, but unlike you I don't see an answer in unrestrained prejudice and demonization of all Muslims.
      I prefer to argue for restrictions on immigration generally, of ALL races and religions, and for the understanding and acceptance of those already among us.
         The Australian society is an addictive thing, and highly absorbing of newcomers.
               You only need to look and listen in any schoolyard to see it, there's Vietnamese kids that if you close your eyes you cannot tell apart, and let's face it, who these days makes any trouble over an Italian or Greek surname? Yet at one time they were all at the receiving end of what Islam is today, xenophobia.
         Yes, Islamic Fundamentalism is a huge problem now, but radicalizing Australia's young Islamic believers by tarring them with that particular brush and abusing and rejecting them is only playing into the Fundamentalist's hands. If instead we sit back and engage with them, accept them, we can count on Australia absorbing them, their kids and grandkids will be as ridgy-didge dinky-di true-blue Aussies as all the "wog""dago" and "chink" and etc kids are now.
      Constantly quoting selectively from their Q'ran proves nothing at all, its in the interpretation and practice of that Holy Book that the truth lays. The Bible can also be selectively quoted to "prove", in your terms, what an evil and destructive religion Christianity "must be", yet do you or any sane person believe that even for a moment? No, you judge them by their actions, don't you?
         Well, apply the same measure to Australian Muslims, you'll sleep far better at night thereby, I assure you.

aust - its gooid you can see a problem with muslims.
i don't think turning a blind eye is an effective response.
it has not worked in various european countries with a muslim problem.

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Reply #78 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 1:07pm

austranger wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

Yadda, I can see the problems caused by the unrestrained importation of Muslims to a Western nation as well as you, strewth, you'd have to be blind not to, but unlike you I don't see an answer in unrestrained prejudice and demonization of all Muslims.

austranger,

SENARIO;
If i actually witnessed someone commit a murder, and if i then referred to that person, as a 'murderer', is that description, a 'demonization' ?

Now, is telling the truth about ISLAM, and the truth about the behaviour of moslems, my 'demonization' of moslems ?

Is that your argument ?

Is exposing the truth, that a moslem is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those who do not believe, as they believe - is that 'hate speech', on my part ???

Lets define the problem;

Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a follower - of ISLAM.

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those who do not believe, as they believe.

THAT IS WHAT ISLAM TEACHES, TO EVERYONE WHO IS A MOSLEM! [yes, i'm shouting]

But what about individual moslems ???

Are individual, non-radicalised moslems good people ???

Is that, really a logical proposition ?

QUESTION;
If it is true, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

Because, imo, logically, every individual moslem, by associating themselves with ISLAM, thereby, are choosing to associate themselves with the evil, which ISLAM is with what ISLAM promotes in the world.

Is that not a logical conclusion argument ???

That if a moslem declares; "I am a moslem!",
, then, logically, that person is choosing to associate them self with ISLAM, AND, ASSOCIATING THEM SELF, WITH WHAT ISLAM ENCOURAGES AND PROMOTES IN THE WORLD.

And it is absurd, and it beggars belief, for anyone to claim that a [self declaring] moslem is unaware of what ISLAM promotes and encourages in the world.

That they are unaware of ISLAM's vicious and violent supremacist nature, and that ISLAM teaches and promotes a relationship - OF VIOLENCE AND OPPRESSION - towards persons who are not moslems.

And yes, i hold MOSLEMS, responsible, for choosing to associate themselves, with what ISLAM is.

What is ISLAM ?

ISLAM is falsely described by moslems, as a peaceful and tolerant, justice-based 'religious' philosophy.

But ISLAM is a philosophy which encourages moslems to engage in intimidation and extreme violence as 'acts of religious faith', against persons who do not believe as they believe.

Who is a moslem ?

A moslem = = is a person who is a member of a group/community of persons, who have chosen to embrace a philosophy which encourages intimidation and extreme violence as 'acts of religious faith', against persons who do not believe as they believe.i

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The principle dictum which ISLAM imposes upon the moslem psyche.....

"....those who are not like us must be enslaved or murdered."

But i'm a moslem, and i don't know this!!!!! Honest! Tongue

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #79 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 2:17pm

Re Yadda

My goodness Yadda, the way you go on things about muslim. Its like as if you are quiet paranoid and fearful. I am sorry if you feel this way. It must be very difficult to live like this, I can only imagine. Besides, do I sound like someone who is expert on Islam?

The changes to Racial discrimination law effects everyone, not just Muslims and Christians. I believe you are trying to divert the attention away from the original issue.

And I am not mistaking. I know that I am a good judge of character. And what evidence did you provide about Muslims, including my friends? - Mad rambling of extremist. And random quotes from the Koran. Now, if we start to judge each and every inividual on some book made thousands of years ago and strangers's mad rambling, rather than what each individual do, then our entire civilization would regress back into the dark ages - with endless wars and mob justice. This is not what an informed citizen should do.

And if you want to go into the details of it. Both Christians and Muslim scriptures contain verses which are incompatible with modern morality. However, just because the writing is there, it does not mean that it is right or that people would follow it.

I have Muslin friends who are in school, at work. And yes, some of them (not all) wears the veil. But if you go to their home, they usually take them off, and they look and behave exactly same as we are. My father also have muslim colleagues who are prominent surgeons, physicians and psychiatrists. They would just laugh at your infantile rantings.

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Reply #80 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 3:31pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 12:42pm:

austranger wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

      Yadda, I can see the problems caused by the unrestrained importation of Muslims to a Western nation as well as you, strewth, you'd have to be blind not to, but unlike you I don't see an answer in unrestrained prejudice and demonization of all Muslims.
      I prefer to argue for restrictions on immigration generally, of ALL races and religions, and for the understanding and acceptance of those already among us.
         The Australian society is an addictive thing, and highly absorbing of newcomers.
               You only need to look and listen in any schoolyard to see it, there's Vietnamese kids that if you close your eyes you cannot tell apart, and let's face it, who these days makes any trouble over an Italian or Greek surname? Yet at one time they were all at the receiving end of what Islam is today, xenophobia.
         Yes, Islamic Fundamentalism is a huge problem now, but radicalizing Australia's young Islamic believers by tarring them with that particular brush and abusing and rejecting them is only playing into the Fundamentalist's hands. If instead we sit back and engage with them, accept them, we can count on Australia absorbing them, their kids and grandkids will be as ridgy-didge dinky-di true-blue Aussies as all the "wog""dago" and "chink" and etc kids are now.
      Constantly quoting selectively from their Q'ran proves nothing at all, its in the interpretation and practice of that Holy Book that the truth lays. The Bible can also be selectively quoted to "prove", in your terms, what an evil and destructive religion Christianity "must be", yet do you or any sane person believe that even for a moment? No, you judge them by their actions, don't you?
         Well, apply the same measure to Australian Muslims, you'll sleep far better at night thereby, I assure you.

aust - its gooid you can see a problem with muslims.
i don't think turning a blind eye is an effective response.
it has not worked in various european countries with a muslim problem.

I certainly did not say anything about turning a blind eye, and I don't think it helpful for you to attempt to put those words " in my mouth", so to speak.
I advised that we sit back and engage with them, accept them, , that's hardly the same thing, is it?
I hope that clears things up for you?
It's only by showing them that they can indeed become Australians that they will try to be, and hopefully succeed in being, good citizens of this mad mix of muddling mankind we call our home, Australia, may the Great Wombat bless her and all who sail in her! Wink

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #81 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 3:56pm

austranger wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 3:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 12:42pm:

austranger wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

      Yadda, I can see the problems caused by the unrestrained importation of Muslims to a Western nation as well as you, strewth, you'd have to be blind not to, but unlike you I don't see an answer in unrestrained prejudice and demonization of all Muslims.
      I prefer to argue for restrictions on immigration generally, of ALL races and religions, and for the understanding and acceptance of those already among us.
         The Australian society is an addictive thing, and highly absorbing of newcomers.
               You only need to look and listen in any schoolyard to see it, there's Vietnamese kids that if you close your eyes you cannot tell apart, and let's face it, who these days makes any trouble over an Italian or Greek surname? Yet at one time they were all at the receiving end of what Islam is today, xenophobia.
         Yes, Islamic Fundamentalism is a huge problem now, but radicalizing Australia's young Islamic believers by tarring them with that particular brush and abusing and rejecting them is only playing into the Fundamentalist's hands. If instead we sit back and engage with them, accept them, we can count on Australia absorbing them, their kids and grandkids will be as ridgy-didge dinky-di true-blue Aussies as all the "wog""dago" and "chink" and etc kids are now.
      Constantly quoting selectively from their Q'ran proves nothing at all, its in the interpretation and practice of that Holy Book that the truth lays. The Bible can also be selectively quoted to "prove", in your terms, what an evil and destructive religion Christianity "must be", yet do you or any sane person believe that even for a moment? No, you judge them by their actions, don't you?
         Well, apply the same measure to Australian Muslims, you'll sleep far better at night thereby, I assure you.

aust - its gooid you can see a problem with muslims.
i don't think turning a blind eye is an effective response.
it has not worked in various european countries with a muslim problem.

I certainly did not say anything about turning a blind eye, and I don't think it helpful for you to attempt to put those words " in my mouth", so to speak.
I advised that we sit back and engage with them, accept them, , that's hardly the same thing, is it?
I hope that clears things up for you?
It's only by showing them that they can indeed become Australians that they will try to be, and hopefully succeed in being, good citizens of this mad mix of muddling mankind we call our home, Australia, may the Great Wombat bless her and all who sail in her! Wink

Sorry austranger, you are correct. I had misinterpereted what you said.
I don't think sitting back, engaging and accepting islam is a good idea.
I think it is a very bad idea. It's not like any other religion.

You can't be logical to illogical people.
You can't be reasonable to unreasonable people.
You can't sit back, engage and accept islam.

Well, I can't.

Have a good weekend

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Reply #82 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 4:26pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 3:56pm:

austranger wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 3:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 12:42pm:

austranger wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

      Yadda, I can see the problems caused by the unrestrained importation of Muslims to a Western nation as well as you, strewth, you'd have to be blind not to, but unlike you I don't see an answer in unrestrained prejudice and demonization of all Muslims.
      I prefer to argue for restrictions on immigration generally, of ALL races and religions, and for the understanding and acceptance of those already among us.
         The Australian society is an addictive thing, and highly absorbing of newcomers.
               You only need to look and listen in any schoolyard to see it, there's Vietnamese kids that if you close your eyes you cannot tell apart, and let's face it, who these days makes any trouble over an Italian or Greek surname? Yet at one time they were all at the receiving end of what Islam is today, xenophobia.
         Yes, Islamic Fundamentalism is a huge problem now, but radicalizing Australia's young Islamic believers by tarring them with that particular brush and abusing and rejecting them is only playing into the Fundamentalist's hands. If instead we sit back and engage with them, accept them, we can count on Australia absorbing them, their kids and grandkids will be as ridgy-didge dinky-di true-blue Aussies as all the "wog""dago" and "chink" and etc kids are now.
      Constantly quoting selectively from their Q'ran proves nothing at all, its in the interpretation and practice of that Holy Book that the truth lays. The Bible can also be selectively quoted to "prove", in your terms, what an evil and destructive religion Christianity "must be", yet do you or any sane person believe that even for a moment? No, you judge them by their actions, don't you?
         Well, apply the same measure to Australian Muslims, you'll sleep far better at night thereby, I assure you.

aust - its gooid you can see a problem with muslims.
i don't think turning a blind eye is an effective response.
it has not worked in various european countries with a muslim problem.

I certainly did not say anything about turning a blind eye, and I don't think it helpful for you to attempt to put those words " in my mouth", so to speak.
I advised that we sit back and engage with them, accept them, , that's hardly the same thing, is it?
I hope that clears things up for you?
It's only by showing them that they can indeed become Australians that they will try to be, and hopefully succeed in being, good citizens of this mad mix of muddling mankind we call our home, Australia, may the Great Wombat bless her and all who sail in her! Wink

Sorry austranger, you are correct. I had misinterpereted what you said.
I don't think sitting back, engaging and accepting islam is a good idea.
I think it is a very bad idea. It's not like any other religion.

You can't be logical to illogical people.
You can't be reasonable to unreasonable people.
You can't sit back, engage and accept islam.

Well, I can't.

Have a good weekend

Now I'm wondering if you really read my post at all, or just wrote it off because I wasn't agreeing with you?

You obviously missed this bit too, or misinterpreted it somehow?

Yes, Islamic Fundamentalism is a huge problem now, but radicalizing Australia's young Islamic believers by tarring them with that particular brush and abusing and rejecting them is only playing into the Fundamentalist's hands.

You certainly appear to be intent on assisting the radical crazies rather than helping Australia, perhaps we could consider your attitude as traitorous because of that?
That would seem to fit into your particular form of " logic"

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Reply #83 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 4:58pm

Yadda wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 1:07pm:

austranger wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

Yadda, I can see the problems caused by the unrestrained importation of Muslims to a Western nation as well as you, strewth, you'd have to be blind not to, but unlike you I don't see an answer in unrestrained prejudice and demonization of all Muslims.

austranger,

SENARIO;
If i actually witnessed someone commit a murder, and if i then referred to that person, as a 'murderer', is that description, a 'demonization' ?

Now, is telling the truth about ISLAM, and the truth about the behaviour of moslems, my 'demonization' of moslems ?

Is that your argument ?

Is exposing the truth, that a moslem is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those who do not believe, as they believe - is that 'hate speech', on my part ???

Lets define the problem;

Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a follower - of ISLAM.

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those who do not believe, as they believe.

THAT IS WHAT ISLAM TEACHES, TO EVERYONE WHO IS A MOSLEM! [yes, i'm shouting]

But what about individual moslems ???

Are individual, non-radicalised moslems good people ???

Is that, really a logical proposition ?

QUESTION;
If it is true, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

Because, imo, logically, every individual moslem, by associating themselves with ISLAM, thereby, are choosing to associate themselves with the evil, which ISLAM is with what ISLAM promotes in the world.

Is that not a logical conclusion argument ???

That if a moslem declares; "I am a moslem!",
, then, logically, that person is choosing to associate them self with ISLAM, AND, ASSOCIATING THEM SELF, WITH WHAT ISLAM ENCOURAGES AND PROMOTES IN THE WORLD.

And it is absurd, and it beggars belief, for anyone to claim that a [self declaring] moslem is unaware of what ISLAM promotes and encourages in the world.

That they are unaware of ISLAM's vicious and violent supremacist nature, and that ISLAM teaches and promotes a relationship - OF VIOLENCE AND OPPRESSION - towards persons who are not moslems.

And yes, i hold MOSLEMS, responsible, for choosing to associate themselves, with what ISLAM is.

What is ISLAM ?

ISLAM is falsely described by moslems, as a peaceful and tolerant, justice-based 'religious' philosophy.

But ISLAM is a philosophy which encourages moslems to engage in intimidation and extreme violence as 'acts of religious faith', against persons who do not believe as they believe.

Who is a moslem ?

A moslem = = is a person who is a member of a group/community of persons, who have chosen to embrace a philosophy which encourages intimidation and extreme violence as 'acts of religious faith', against persons who do not believe as they believe.i

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The principle dictum which ISLAM imposes upon the moslem psyche.....

"....those who are not like us must be enslaved or murdered."

But i'm a moslem, and i don't know this!!!!! Honest! Tongue

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Absolute rubbish you sound like and Anglo version of of those radical Islamic fundamentalist mullahs. You post so much links and quotes out of context with omissions that distort the fact to attempt to convince others to feel the rage you do. In the Hope others feel you rage vicariously on act on it because you won't. You along with the rest of the bigots (from all cultures and races) looking to incite through propaganda. Is the reason why we don't have the right to bigotry or violence which it ulitimately leads to. Bigotry is the major precursor to racial and cultural friction.

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Reply #84 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 6:57pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 2:17pm:

Re Yadda

My goodness Yadda, the way you go on things about muslim....

....I have Muslin friends who are in school, at work. And yes, some of them (not all) wears the veil. But if you go to their home, they usually take them off, and they look and behave exactly same as we are.

My father also have muslim colleagues who are prominent surgeons, physicians and psychiatrists.

They would just laugh at your infantile rantings.

Ha, ha, ha, ....it is to laugh.

tickleandrose,

Ostensibly, many of your moslem friends, do not talk with you, ....of Mohammed, or of Allah, nor of their obligation to 'do Jihad' against the local infidels ?

QUESTION;

tickleandrose,

If it is true, that your moslem friends DO NOT fulfil the obligations to ISLAM [which ISLAM places upon every moslem], then, please tell us all,
then in what sense are your moslem friends, followers of ISLAM ?
i.e.
'moslems' ?

tickleandrose,

If your moslem friends do not reverence, respect, and obey what the inerrant Koran commands them to do [and how to behave, towards those who reject ISLAM], then in what sense are your friends 'moslems' ?

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

Koran 5.51

tickleandrose,

Are your moslem friends apostate moslems ?

If your moslem friends are apostate moslems [because they can't bring themselves to obey Allah's commands], then why haven't they renounced ISLAM ?

And why haven't they dis-associated themselves, from ISLAM ?

tickleandrose,

You must know, that, TO BE A MOSLEM, a moslem must respect and embrace ISLAM's tenets and all of its laws ???

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Quote:

"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE"
"It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya which are current in the world or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system........"

SAYYID QUTB - ISLAMIC scholar
http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html

OR, Google;
"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" SAYYID QUTB

The word, Jahiliyya, refers to the un-ISLAMIC lifestyle.

, e.g. Jahiliyya includes the behaviour, of embracing political pluralism, instead of ISLAM, alone.

All moslems know this.

e.g.
Quote:

"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

Moslem ARE NOT PERMITTED, by ISLAM, to join themselves, to integrate with, the un-ISLAMIC society.

If a moslem does so, ISLAM declares that his Kafir blood can be spilled, because he is not longer a moslem.

The 'Jahiliyya' lifestyle is declared, by ISLAMIC scholars, to be totally incompatible with following ISLAM.

And in fact, to ISLAM, and to devout moslems, the mere existence of non-moslem communities in the world is viewed as insulting to Allah.

So you see, moslems are forbidden to be friends with the un-ISLAMIC world.

If any moslems do choose to be friends with the un-ISLAMIC world, then Allah hates them, and denounces them.

Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia...

Quote:

"....Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia law, without which Islam cannot exist;"
"...true Islam is a complete system with no room for any element of Jahiliyya"
"...all aspects of Jahiliyya...are "evil and corrupt" "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society

tickleandrose,

Your moslem friends are either FILTHY LYING MOSLEMS [who are intentionally deceiving you],
OR,
they are apostate moslems [i.e. not moslems at all].

Which is it ?

And if they are apostate moslems, then why won't they dis-associate themselves, from ISLAM ?

How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

"A Study in Muslim Doctrine

...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,
insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

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Re: Right To Bigotry?
Reply #85 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 7:15pm

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Sorry austranger, you are correct. I had misinterpereted what you said.
I don't think sitting back, engaging and accepting islam is a good idea.
I think it is a very bad idea. It's not like any other religion.

You can't be logical to illogical people.
You can't be reasonable to unreasonable people.
You can't sit back, engage and accept islam.

Well, I can't.

Have a good weekend

Now I'm wondering if you really read my post at all, or just wrote it off because I wasn't agreeing with you?

You obviously missed this bit too, or misinterpreted it somehow?

Yes, Islamic Fundamentalism is a huge problem now, but radicalizing Australia's young Islamic believers by tarring them with that particular brush and abusing and rejecting them is only playing into the Fundamentalist's hands.

You certainly appear to be intent on assisting the radical crazies rather than helping Australia, perhaps we could consider your attitude as traitorous because of that?
That would seem to fit into your particular form of " logic" [/quote]

hi austranger - I did read your posting.
I disagree with it.
many Countries in Europe are regretting accepting muslims into their society.
We should be proactive in Aussie

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Reply #86 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 7:29pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

hi austranger - I did read your posting.
I disagree with it.
many Countries in Europe are regretting accepting muslims into their society.
We should be proactive in Aussie

There were Muslims living in Australia before the British settled it. Muslims developed Australia's first export industry. There Muslims in the First Fleet and in Flinder's exploratory voyage that made the first recorded circumnavigation of Australia. Muslims contributed to the exploration of this country, and its development, laying the first transport and communications infrastructure across the continent.

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Reply #87 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 7:38pm

True Colours wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 7:29pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

hi austranger - I did read your posting.
I disagree with it.
many Countries in Europe are regretting accepting muslims into their society.
We should be proactive in Aussie

There were Muslims living in Australia before the British settled it. Muslims developed Australia's first export industry. There Muslims in the First Fleet and in Flinder's exploratory voyage that made the first recorded circumnavigation of Australia. Muslims contributed to the exploration of this country, and its development, laying the first transport and communications infrastructure across the continent.

Moslems also were the first to invent the computer micro chip, and moslems were the first to land a man on the moon too.

Its true, all of it. Tongue

Allah Akbar!!!!!

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Reply #88 - May 2^nd, 2014 at 8:59pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Quote:

Sorry austranger, you are correct. I had misinterpereted what you said.
I don't think sitting back, engaging and accepting islam is a good idea.
I think it is a very bad idea. It's not like any other religion.

You can't be logical to illogical people.
You can't be reasonable to unreasonable people.
You can't sit back, engage and accept islam.

Well, I can't.

Have a good weekend

Now I'm wondering if you really read my post at all, or just wrote it off because I wasn't agreeing with you?

You obviously missed this bit too, or misinterpreted it somehow?

Yes, Islamic Fundamentalism is a huge problem now, but radicalizing Australia's young Islamic believers by tarring them with that particular brush and abusing and rejecting them is only playing into the Fundamentalist's hands.

You certainly appear to be intent on assisting the radical crazies rather than helping Australia, perhaps we could consider your attitude as traitorous because of that?
That would seem to fit into your particular form of " logic"

hi austranger - I did read your posting.
I disagree with it.
many Countries in Europe are regretting accepting muslims into their society.
We should be proactive in Aussie
[/quote]

Oh yeah, that'll work just fine.
That's what the French and Pommies did, just like you they ranted and attacked Muslims, driving the youngsters into the arms of the Fundamentalists, and that's what they're paying the price for now.
You'd "proactive us all into a similar situation, and then scream.."See, I told ya so", whereas with patience and understanding there's a good chance we wouldn't face anything like that here.
Since it's been so vividly proven over there that you're approach is a total failure, is it sane to repeat it, or far more logical to try a different approach?
What sort of loser wants to repeat a guaranteed disaster?

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