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Ramadan was a non-Muslim pagan Arab festival (Read 2598 times)
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Re: Ramadan was a non-Muslim pagan Arab festival
Reply #15 - May 6th, 2014 at 9:36pm
 
True Colours wrote on May 6th, 2014 at 10:45am:
This thread is garbage, it clearly displays the ignorance of the author in the history of Arabia, and the influence of the Abrahamic religion on the Arabs.


No that just displayed your ignornance.

True Colours wrote on May 6th, 2014 at 10:45am:
The paganism of Arabia was merely a corruption that occurred over 2500 years from the original monotheistic tradition handed down to the Arabs by Abraham.


Nice tale but again incorrect.

True Colours wrote on May 6th, 2014 at 10:45am:
Without written texts to maintain the orthodoxy of ono theism, the Arabs mostly deviated to paganism over the millennia.


HA ha ha ha oh that's gold.


True Colours wrote on May 6th, 2014 at 10:45am:
Fasting was commanded by all of God's prophets.


Fasting has been around in most religions pagan included for years.

True Colours wrote on May 6th, 2014 at 10:45am:
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O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you

the Quran, al-Baqarah, 183



So.

True Colours wrote on May 6th, 2014 at 10:45am:
Moses ordered his followers to fast, and even today many Jews and Christians practice some sort of fasting.

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The Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur)

26 The Lord said to Moses, 27 “The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present a food offering to the Lord...29 Those who do not deny themselves on that day must be cut off from their people.
- Leviticus 23


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A ta'anit or taanis (in Ashkenaz pronunciation) or taʿanith in Classical Hebrew is a fast in Judaism in which one abstains from all food and drink, including water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%27anit


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Fasting is a practice in several Christian denominations or other churches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting#Christianity



Bogey man eh.

True Colours wrote on May 6th, 2014 at 10:45am:
For Catholics Christians, Lent is the major season of fasting, imitative of the forty-day fast of Jesus (peace be upon him).
In the fourth century it was observed as six weeks of fasting before Easter or before Holy Week. It was adjusted to forty days of actual fasting in most places in the seventh century

The Bible says Jesus fasted:

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Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.

- Matthew 4:1-2
 


Quote:
Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant--the Ten Commandments.

- Exodus 34:28


So What.

The original post was still correct.
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Re: Ramadan was a non-Muslim pagan Arab festival
Reply #16 - May 6th, 2014 at 9:40pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2014 at 7:53pm:
True Colours wrote on May 6th, 2014 at 10:45am:
Moses ordered his followers to fast,


And there's a good chance this is where the pagans got it from. The traditions of Abraham had an enormous influence on the Arab peninsula for centuries.

There are a lot of islamic practices that the sceptics cite as being practiced by the pagans before them - without considering that the pagans themselves borrowed it from jewish or christian tradition before them.


In the context of mohammed and islam it originated from his pagan practices before claiming that he was a prophet. The Quaran wasn't even around then.
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