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Reply #15 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am

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Same old blame the victim mentality which put the smirk on Keating's twisted features

Anyone alive back then will always remember the Bankstown Slug sloping through crowds of unemployed youth while taunting them to 'get a job'

Well not sure what media take you are talking about but the one I remember was him being heckled and they weren't all youths.

Keating, who'd had only one job in his pointless life. And he'd been sacked from that one job. For insubordination and arrogance.

Really... yet Keating decided not to pursue higher education, and instead worked as a pay clerk at Sydney's electricity authority. He then worked as research assistant for a trade union, having joined the Labor Party as soon as he was eligible. In 1966, he became President of the ALP's Youth Council. In the 1960s, Keating also managed rock band "The Ramrods".

Went to school to age 13 or 14.

OR 15/16... which wasn't odd those days.

Yet they made him the Treasurer.

Because being an academic isn't a real measure of intelligence.

Same Treasurer who drove this nation down to the point it's never recovered.

Crap...

While midget drunkard Hawke seemed to spend most of his conscious moments at Asian racetracks according to the media at the time.

Didn't drink after becoming PM.

Blame the victim

Create a fantasy.

Which is why both pretences of political parties don't want you to know about the Lima Declaration.

Oh no not THE Lima Declaration, a non-binding declaration not a binding treaty... declaration. The one we all don't know about

Don't want you to know that beginning in March 1975, 30 percent of all Australian jobs and manufacturing were sent to Asia

Oh no... in fact it was Whitlam, Grassby and Fraser that started the manufacturing rot at least by words if not real actions, because they felt the need to be seen doing something about the declaration when indeed they didn't have to do anything. Australia had already, from 1966, long before the Lima Declaration, led the world in conferring concessional tariffs to imports to Australia from developing countries under the Australian System of Tariff Preferences (ASTP).

Some facts care of ON and GWB.

http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/lima/jones.html

same Asia which is now buying all that unaffordable real estate Roll Eyes

same Asia and other 3rd worlders who now have a new middle class larger than the entire population of the US
Roll Eyes

Asia, India, etc. have jobs

Yet India has almost twice our unemployment rate and China slightly higher than us, regardless of much higher populations.

They have money Roll Eyes

They can afford to send their kids to Australian universities

Really? I'm betting a greater proportion of the population in both countries can't.

And they can afford to buy the top grades while hard working, intelligent Aussie kids are awarded the dross grades Roll Eyes

Oh, Abbott and Hockey don't want you to work out that there ARE no jobs in Australia

Yet many of us are no doubt aware of the employment situation.

Instead, the Mad Monk and Fatboy are pretending there is so MUCH work in Australia that 70 year olds are in hot demand !

Well they may be misinformed or ignorant of the exact situation, being employed and all that. But I'm pretty sure the unemployment figures are a constant reminder to them of their political future.

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Reply #17 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:58am

I've been one of those volunteers for most of my adult life and I would like to point one thing out, that if they could afford to pay for it they would, would indeed be delighted to do so. It's because no-one can afford to provide those services that we need volunteers in the first place!

Also, while I rarely find PZ547 to be quite in touch in this instance he has said what needs saying eloquently indeed, and I thank him for that.
The Libs seem intent on turning Oz into a third-world nation as fast as they can, and to be aping America at every turn, perhaps it's time we saw the likes of the Anti-Vietnam War rallies out on the streets again?
Maybe a solid campaign of civil disruption might get their attention and cause them to rethink their nefarious plans to bring on a sort of New Feudalism?

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Reply #18 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:00am

cods wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 9:18am:

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Well there you have have it, a liberal government. Cut the dole for young people, and get older people to work till 70. Sad

and a labor govt cut off single mothers pensions and were raising the retiring age to 67...

why dont you find jobs crook instead of whingeing about what the unemployed dont get..as a unionist through and through thats what you should be doing.I dont think the unemployed join unions do they?

“A and a labor govt cut off single mothers pensions and were raising the retiring age to 67...”

Hmmmm your hero started that, codswallop, Julia just extended it so there weren’t some Mums able to sit on their bums and others having to work. Don’t you know anything about what Howard did?

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Reply #19 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:17am

And they neglected to educate Aussie kids to know that unemployment rose in Australia simultaneous with the outsourcing of Aussie jobs to the 3rd world

Really? So how do you explain it dropping since 1999 for example? How do you explain the Depression? Exporting jobs to Asia perhaps?

So THEY blame the unemployed and elderly Roll Eyes

And the unemployed youth and elderly blame themselves Roll Eyes

This isn't right

You can say that again

This stinks

Yes being unemployed stinks when you want and need work

Since March 1975 when the initial 30% of Aussie jobs were despatched overseas, the outsourcing has continued

The movement of jobs O/S and outsourcing is a global trend. Not an Australian one it is linked to trends in work practices and the so called bottom line. It is part of the culture adopted by many manufacturers and large companies, currently IT companies are a prime example.

There are FEW jobs in Australia now. And nowhere near enough to soak up all those who're desperately seeking work

yes, I think you may finally be right about something. But employers and their recruitment agencies are one major reason Australians do not find employment.

The few jobs left are given to migrants ! Roll Eyes

Who do you suggest they be given to then if Australians do not take them up?
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/6250.0~Nov+2010~Main+Features~E...

Mum and Dad are supposed to support their kids to age 25

used to happen in the majority of cases when I was young, most children/youths at that age had part time employment or were going onto higher education of some kind, we have pockets of high youth unemployment, do you suppose they are all living on the streets? I here many "children" these days stay at home into their 30s.

Saving this stinking pretence of government billions so they can send it to the Congo or somewhere Cheesy

Then what?

What indeed... what will you say next?

What happens when the kids turn 25?

Hopefully they will find a job they have more chance than someone over 45.

That's right. There are no jobs waiting for them anyway

So no one dies and businesses don't grow and no one retires? Unemployment rates ebb and flow. It is up to businesses and industries to be productive and create wealth and markets. It is up to governments to help with legislation, and infrastructure

So they'll have to go on welfare which wouldn't feed a cat. And they'll feel like crap into the bargain

Some undoubtably will. That's life

So why isn't our government investing in Aussie manufacturing?

It is a government, not a business. It is also in a financial pickle.

Why aren't Aussie jobs being returned to our shores?

Because business decision makers see fit not to, for a variety of reasons, mostly the bottom line.

Why is there so much generous financial assistance, health and dental care and free accomodation for migrants?

Migrants or asylum seekers/refugees?

All at the same time as middle-aged Aussies work their guts out in a shrinking marketplace.

Really got a particular marketplace in mind?

In order to support themselves and their kids -- kids they've already sacrificed for, raised and educated ?

It has always been thus.

Do our politicians deserve to be dragged from the panelled suites WE paid f

or probably not.

and given a good kicking

definitely not

before being jailed for life Cheesy

for political treachery ? Cheesy

I think they do

how surprising.

I think they deserve the firing squad -- Hawke, Keating, Howard at least Cheesy

Instead, those bludgers are living in luxury as reward for destroying our nation

we vote them in... you want change join a party

which not so long ago had the greatest quality of life in the world

and we are still right up there

and which has been deliberately reduced to penury, unemployment, hopelessness and generations of ruined lives

well lets hope things improve...

Don't let them blame the victim

Don't buy it

Get angry Cheesy

Get active Roll Eyes

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Reply #20 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:19am

Wow! By 25 they'll all be Ph.Ds in car theft, racketeering, bank robbery, house breaking, pharmaceuticals manufacture and importation and distribution, handbag snatching, running illegal gin joints, prostitution and pandering, insurance sales to vulnerable business, bein' Bruvvas Fo' Loife an' drooive boin', and a few assorted crimes.

Don't these idiots remember that the Mafia got its start from being disadvantaged and then through prohibition?

Whoever came up with any idea like this has been smoking some of those pharmaceuticals...

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Reply #21 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:21am

cods wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 9:11am:

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Welfare groups and the National Union of Students have criticised the Youth Allowance as being too low for young people in cities to live outside the family home, and delaying the age of independence. Sad

Maree O’Halloran, from the National Welfare Rights Network, said young adults should not have to wait until they were 25 to be granted independence from their parents. “There are already many proposed budget cuts which will hit students and unemployed young people, and this one is particularly short-sighted,’’ she said. “The parental means test for Youth Allowance hits families with incomes over $48,000. The reality is many parents will struggle to support adult children financially, the result being hardship all round.”

do you think its the tax payers job to help people leave home????????

well I see that crook has dodged your question to him... Roll Eyes

this may not even be an issue if labor hadn't stuffed our country with massive debt...

it wouldn't have been a problem if the sour grape club didn't vote for them either...

you got what you voted for... short term greed ...

now this is the result of that greed.... and the sour grape club still thinks that Governments should be spraying out money like a Fireman on the end of a fire hose as Rudd and Gillard did during their pathetic tenure...

and no...

Kids don't have to stay in school... they can always GET A JOB...

one of my daughters didn't want to continue on in school after year 10... so I said to her, you either stay in school or GET A FULL TIME JOB... that was the deal... tough love some may call it...

she had been already working at Wollies after school etc for a couple of years and they upped her hours to around 35 hrs a week...

its now great to see our government doing what I had done some years back ... although, our governments should not have to be doing the work of week parents... Roll Eyes

other options for school leavers are ARMY, NAVY or AIRFORCE...

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Reply #22 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:24am

PZ547 wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:32am:

Switzerland is to vote on the proposal to provide everyone 25000 to 30,000 francs per month, whether or not they're working

Australia is touted as a 'rich' nation, one of THE 'richest' nations on the planet

Why can't we provide everyone with a comparable amount per month?

If we did, what would happen? Would retail improve? Would there be less drain on the health/mental health systems? Would the economy improve?

Instead, the current government seemingly wants to penalise those who're old and young and unable to earn their own living -- whilst at the same time, protecting corporations and the rich

Hockey is emerging as a bully, an old fashioned bully with a very cruel streak. And Abbott - well, I'm beginning to wonder about not only his sanity but also his IQ

25000 a month eh... that's a hell of a lot of money.
what's the cost of living over there?
Thats about the same as paying us $25000 a month.
I'm guessing it is actually $25,000 a year Roll Eyes

Or it could be 2500 francs a month eh. Grin

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Reply #23 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:30am

talking with one of my Year 12 students recently, we recalled some of the deadbeats who used to go on our bus to school...

they left, or got booted out, of schools by year 9 or 10 and all they have ever achieved is to move out of their homes and fill out the dole forms...

the student said to me that they are still losers on the dole who have never worked a day in their lives...

why should the Australian tax payer pay for these bludgers?

why should they be footing the bill subsiding their rent?

its time to stop this gravy train madness... Angry

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Reply #24 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:32am

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Welfare groups and the National Union of Students have criticised the Youth Allowance as being too low for young people in cities to live outside the family home, and delaying the age of independence. Sad

Maree O’Halloran, from the National Welfare Rights Network, said young adults should not have to wait until they were 25 to be granted independence from their parents. “There are already many proposed budget cuts which will hit students and unemployed young people, and this one is particularly short-sighted,’’ she said. “The parental means test for Youth Allowance hits families with incomes over $48,000. The reality is many parents will struggle to support adult children financially, the result being hardship all round.”

maybe you need to get a dictionary and work out what 'independence' means. transferring dependence from family to government is NOT independence. However getting a job, does.

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Reply #25 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:34am

PZ547 wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:32am:

Switzerland is to vote on the proposal to provide everyone 25000 to 30,000 francs per month, whether or not they're working

Australia is touted as a 'rich' nation, one of THE 'richest' nations on the planet

Why can't we provide everyone with a comparable amount per month?

If we did, what would happen? Would retail improve? Would there be less drain on the health/mental health systems? Would the economy improve?

Instead, the current government seemingly wants to penalise those who're old and young and unable to earn their own living -- whilst at the same time, protecting corporations and the rich

Hockey is emerging as a bully, an old fashioned bully with a very cruel streak. And Abbott - well, I'm beginning to wonder about not only his sanity but also his IQ

link???

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Reply #26 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:41am

I'd been working for several years by the time I turned 25. In fact, I'd even bought a home before then, and I'm a lazy front bottom.

The gravy train is approaching the end of the line, my freeloading friends. I hope you enjoyed it while it lasted, but let's be honest - did you really think they were going to keep throwing money at every front bottom who put their hand up forever?

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Reply #27 - May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:49am

True Blue... wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:30am:

talking with one of my Year 12 students recently, we recalled some of the deadbeats who used to go on our bus to school...

they left, or got booted out, of schools by year 9 or 10 and all they have ever achieved is to move out of their homes and fill out the dole forms...

the student said to me that they are still losers on the dole who have never worked a day in their lives...

why should the Australian tax payer pay for these bludgers?

why should they be footing the bill subsiding their rent?

its time to stop this gravy train madness... Angry

yet apart from the odd dead person due to drugs some so-called no-hopers from my school ended up;
1/ Being a self employed IT professional.
2/ Running his own very successful pest control company.
3/ Being the head Nurse at the local hospital.
4/ Leaving the Army as a Sergeant in the Engineers and running his own business.
just to name a few. Wink

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