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May 3rd, 2014 at 9:21pm
 
Before the last election, Prime Minister Tony Abbott promised Australians  a “no surprises, no excuses government”, focussed on stabilising the economy and “stopping the boats”.  More importantly, he promised that he would lead a government of lower, simpler and fairer taxes.

It’s hard then to imagine what he was expecting when he announced a debt levy, a short-term boost to Treasury coffers directly targetted at reducing the Budget deficit.

Mr Abbott made a point of calling his new tax a levy, not a tax. He then argued that his promise wasn’t broken because it was temporary in nature.

Nice one Mr Abbott.

Mr Abbott’s tricky wording reminds me of similar clever use of language employed in the Middle East. Selling sex is strictly forbidden in the Islamic world. Yet, having lived there, I’ve observed that the vast majority of transactions are completed without attracting the attention of police – why?

A most interesting cultural element, present in both Sunni and Shi’ite faiths, that is known as ‘temporary marriage’ or ‘pleasure marriage’. Men ‘marry’ women for an hour.  They pay a dowry, consummate the marriage, divorce and then move on.

In their minds, they have not broken the law.
The running joke among expatiates in Dubai is that ‘anything is legal, as long as you call it something else’. 
Prostitution is illegal; temporary marriage is not.

Tony Abbott will undoubtedly argue that he is not increasing taxes.  This move, he will claim, is a temporary measure with no ongoing commitment. Most importantly it’s called something else – a levy, not a tax.  Therefore, he’s kept his promise and moves on to fight another day.

He won’t see that he’s broken a promise, because in his own mind that’s something other people do.
Just like temporary marriage, Mr Abbott’s conscience will be clear.  Words, it seems, not actions, are what matter most. It’s just a matter of perception.

The real question is – how easily are Australians fooled?



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Reply #2 - May 3rd, 2014 at 10:09pm
 
[quote author=rough.ready link=1399116098/0#0 date=1399116098]Before the last election, Prime Minister Tony Abbott promised Australians  a “no surprises, no excuses government”, focussed on stabilising the economy and “stopping the boats”.  More importantly, he promised that he would lead a government of lower, simpler and fairer taxes.

It’s hard then to imagine what he was expecting when he announced a debt levy, a short-term boost to Treasury coffers directly targetted at reducing the Budget deficit.

Mr Abbott made a point of calling his new tax a levy, not a tax. He then argued that his promise wasn’t broken because it was temporary in nature.

Nice one Mr Abbott.

Mr Abbott’s tricky wording reminds me of similar clever use of language employed in the Middle East. Selling sex is strictly forbidden in the Islamic world. Yet, having lived there, I’ve observed that the vast majority of transactions are completed without attracting the attention of police – why?

A most interesting cultural element, present in both Sunni and Shi’ite faiths, that is known as ‘temporary marriage’ or ‘pleasure marriage’. Men ‘marry’ women for an hour.  They pay a dowry, consummate the marriage, divorce and then move on.

In their minds, they have not broken the law.
The running joke among expatiates in Dubai is that ‘anything is legal, as long as you call it something else’. 
Prostitution is illegal; temporary marriage is not.

Tony Abbott will undoubtedly argue that he is not increasing taxes.  This move, he will claim, is a temporary measure with no ongoing commitment. Most importantly it’s called something else – a levy, not a tax.  Therefore, he’s kept his promise and moves on to fight another day.

He won’t see that he’s broken a promise, because in his own mind that’s something other people do.
Just like temporary marriage, Mr Abbott’s conscience will be clear.  Words, it seems, not actions, are what matter most. It’s just a matter of perception.

The real question is – how easily are Australians fooled?


The real question is – what's the difference between kneeling down and bending over, do Australians know?
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Reply #3 - May 4th, 2014 at 8:54am
 
It was always going to be difficult for Abbott to keep that promise about no new taxes and no surprises. It's a promise he shouldn't have made given that even I knew there would be some nasty surprises in store for him when he and Hockey took over from Rudd/Gillard/Swan. Still, I fully agree with his measures to pay down Labors' record debt.
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Reply #4 - May 4th, 2014 at 9:07am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 8:54am:
It was always going to be difficult for Abbott to keep that promise about no new taxes and no surprises. It's a promise he shouldn't have made given that even I knew there would be some nasty surprises in store for him when he and Hockey took over from Rudd/Gillard/Swan. Still, I fully agree with his measures to pay down Labors' record debt.


Spare us please - "Liberals are economically responsible adults - labor are irresponsible children" - its been done to death and is wrong.

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I too are in agreement with measures to pay down debt, but not in the current economic and socially irresponsible 'throw out the baby with the bathwater' agenda. This is not good policy it is dumb ideology.
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Reply #5 - May 4th, 2014 at 9:10am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 8:54am:
It was always going to be difficult for Abbott to keep that promise about no new taxes and no surprises


funny how you've never once said that it would always be difficult for Gillard to keep her promise of no carbon tax given that the labor party didn't win enough seats in its own right and had to form a minority govt.  Grin Grin Grin Grin

one set of rules for labor, another for the libs, right armpitt? If anything, Abbott knew exactly what he was getting and deliberately lied ... Gillard did not know she would have to deal with a minority govt.

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Reply #6 - May 4th, 2014 at 9:43am
 
John Smith wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 9:10am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 8:54am:
It was always going to be difficult for Abbott to keep that promise about no new taxes and no surprises


funny how you've never once said that it would always be difficult for Gillard to keep her promise of no carbon tax given that the labor party didn't win enough seats in its own right and had to form a minority govt.  Grin Grin Grin Grin

one set of rules for labor, another for the libs, right armpitt? If anything, Abbott knew exactly what he was getting and deliberately lied ... Gillard did not know she would have to deal with a minority govt.



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Reply #7 - May 4th, 2014 at 10:25am
 
John Smith wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 9:10am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 8:54am:
It was always going to be difficult for Abbott to keep that promise about no new taxes and no surprises


funny how you've never once said that it would always be difficult for Gillard to keep her promise of no carbon tax given that the labor party didn't win enough seats in its own right and had to form a minority govt.  Grin Grin Grin Grin

one set of rules for labor, another for the libs, right armpitt? If anything, Abbott knew exactly what he was getting and deliberately lied ... Gillard did not know she would have to deal with a minority govt.



That's entirely different circumstances and you know it. On the one hand, Abbott is trying his hardest to salvage the budget from six years of Swan's ineptitude and probably shouldn't have made the promises he did knowing what Labor is like. On the other hand, Gillard's promise of no carbon tax was iron-clad. All that would have occurred if she had honoured that promise would be that she'd have still gotten the support of the Greens because Bob Brown would never have sided with Abbott. She didn't need the carbon tax to save her skin - it just shows what a weak person she is and how desperate she was to stay in office. Hardly the actions of someone who is supposed to be governing for all Australians, not just her own selfish ambitions.
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Reply #8 - May 4th, 2014 at 11:08am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 10:25am:
John Smith wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 9:10am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 8:54am:
It was always going to be difficult for Abbott to keep that promise about no new taxes and no surprises


funny how you've never once said that it would always be difficult for Gillard to keep her promise of no carbon tax given that the labor party didn't win enough seats in its own right and had to form a minority govt.  Grin Grin Grin Grin

one set of rules for labor, another for the libs, right armpitt? If anything, Abbott knew exactly what he was getting and deliberately lied ... Gillard did not know she would have to deal with a minority govt.



That's entirely different circumstances and you know it. On the one hand, Abbott is trying his hardest to salvage the budget from six years of Swan's ineptitude and probably shouldn't have made the promises he did knowing what Labor is like. On the other hand, Gillard's promise of no carbon tax was iron-clad. All that would have occurred if she had honoured that promise would be that she'd have still gotten the support of the Greens because Bob Brown would never have sided with Abbott. She didn't need the carbon tax to save her skin - it just shows what a weak person she is and how desperate she was to stay in office. Hardly the actions of someone who is supposed to be governing for all Australians, not just her own selfish ambitions.



not sure if you are just sprouting that crap for the benefit of your party or if you actually believe it ... either way all you've done is cement your place as one of this forums dumbest posters ....

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Reply #9 - May 4th, 2014 at 12:50pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 10:25am:
John Smith wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 9:10am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 8:54am:
It was always going to be difficult for Abbott to keep that promise about no new taxes and no surprises


funny how you've never once said that it would always be difficult for Gillard to keep her promise of no carbon tax given that the labor party didn't win enough seats in its own right and had to form a minority govt.  Grin Grin Grin Grin

one set of rules for labor, another for the libs, right armpitt? If anything, Abbott knew exactly what he was getting and deliberately lied ... Gillard did not know she would have to deal with a minority govt.



That's entirely different circumstances and you know it. On the one hand, Abbott is trying his hardest to salvage the budget from six years of Swan's ineptitude and probably shouldn't have made the promises he did knowing what Labor is like. On the other hand, Gillard's promise of no carbon tax was iron-clad. All that would have occurred if she had honoured that promise would be that she'd have still gotten the support of the Greens because Bob Brown would never have sided with Abbott. She didn't need the carbon tax to save her skin - it just shows what a weak person she is and how desperate she was to stay in office. Hardly the actions of someone who is supposed to be governing for all Australians, not just her own selfish ambitions.


On the one hand, Abbott is trying his hardest to salvage the budget from six years of Swan's ineptitude

A view refuted by the worlds economists?

On the other hand, Gillard's promise of no carbon tax was iron-clad

Typical that you accept that Abbotts promises are not iron clad. Are they cellophane clad

not just her own selfish ambitions

Doing the right thing for climate was never going to impact her ambitions ?
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Reply #11 - May 5th, 2014 at 3:46am
 
Dnarever wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 12:50pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 10:25am:
John Smith wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 9:10am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 4th, 2014 at 8:54am:
It was always going to be difficult for Abbott to keep that promise about no new taxes and no surprises


funny how you've never once said that it would always be difficult for Gillard to keep her promise of no carbon tax given that the labor party didn't win enough seats in its own right and had to form a minority govt.  Grin Grin Grin Grin

one set of rules for labor, another for the libs, right armpitt? If anything, Abbott knew exactly what he was getting and deliberately lied ... Gillard did not know she would have to deal with a minority govt.



That's entirely different circumstances and you know it. On the one hand, Abbott is trying his hardest to salvage the budget from six years of Swan's ineptitude and probably shouldn't have made the promises he did knowing what Labor is like. On the other hand, Gillard's promise of no carbon tax was iron-clad. All that would have occurred if she had honoured that promise would be that she'd have still gotten the support of the Greens because Bob Brown would never have sided with Abbott. She didn't need the carbon tax to save her skin - it just shows what a weak person she is and how desperate she was to stay in office. Hardly the actions of someone who is supposed to be governing for all Australians, not just her own selfish ambitions.


On the one hand, Abbott is trying his hardest to salvage the budget from six years of Swan's ineptitude

A view refuted by the worlds economists?
Any of them work or live here? Yeah, didn't think so.

On the other hand, Gillard's promise of no carbon tax was iron-clad

Typical that you accept that Abbotts promises are not iron clad. Are they cellophane clad
He shouldn't have made that promise and a BIG reason Labor lost is due to her carbon tax.

not just her own selfish ambitions

Doing the right thing for climate was never going to impact her ambitions ?

She was desperate to stay in office - the environment was never a major consideration for her.
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The voters have made their minds up, the women bashers times up. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #13 - May 5th, 2014 at 6:58am
 
It's a pity there's been so much bad publicity surrounding the budget before it's released. The Abbott government pays a fortune to the social media to ascertain the public mood - and now they're getting all this for free.

The budget will be mild contrary to speculation to ensure that the Coalition get a second term.

Is Abbott stupid enough to blow it so soon?

The media should have kept quiet and let Hockey shock us. This would ensure the government wouldn't be re-elected.

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Reply #14 - May 5th, 2014 at 7:19am
 
Labor were indeed inept.
stupid carbon tax.
let the miners roll them.

Laborites like to blame howard for being too generous with tax cuts and middle class welfare but why would you bank any money as a liberal PM?

Moronic people like rudd and Gillard are always waiting to come in and spend all that hard earned money on Bullsh^t plans.

But getting back to tony and hockey.
They know what needs to be done.

Slash spending on the programs with the structural problems

the pension
super concessions
health spending.
NDIS
gonski
defence.

I can find little evidence that ANY of the above contribute to economic growth.

Now , redirect those billions into scrapping regulation and reducing taxes on small business, family companies and individual tradespeople.

Increase the taxes on the big end of town with a tax on large business (say 2 % on coles/woollies) and roll that back into concessions for farmers.
Scrap the diesel rebate for multi billionaire miners but keep it for struggling, worlds best practice farmers.
Put infrastructure in for tourism, not cycle paths for inner city green voters .

its all just common sense.

reward the productive elements of society and ruthlessly punish those who aren't productive.

And an old aged pensioner sitting on a family home worth 2 million in inner Sydney who thinks they are "owed" a pension needs to face a ruthless assets test, including the family home
Dirty stinking selfish old farts.
What a terrible example they are setting with their selfishness.
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