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Reply #15 - May 5th, 2014 at 8:16am
 
Woo boy, what a cascade of rubbish we are getting from the Lib fanbois here!

Firstly, Hokey and the simian knew the state of the books before the election: the 13/14 Budget, MYEFO, PEFO. As someone said—one good thing Costello did, Charter of Budget Honesty.

So the promises before the election were made in full knowledge of the state of the books. The Audit was a worthless waste of time and definitely not an audit.

The debt we have is small. If it was a real worry we would not have had the 9As reconfirmed recently.

Most of the debt is due to Costello (and Rudd/Swan contributed one cut) cutting income tax too much. We have a revenue problem not a spending problem. The spending is supporting the economy. Gillard/Swan tried fiscal consolidation, i.e. cutting spending but thankfully gave up getting a surplus as the fiscal consolidation was causing unemployment to increase.

There is a type of wasteful spending that can be cut without affecting private sector spending—those tax expenditures, those asset millionaire getting full or part Old Age Pension.

Just think on that last bit—Boomers are retiring, the Old Age Pension is going to balloon out yet we are paying the pension to people owning their own home PLUS a million dollars in assets! Crazy! Weed out all that rubbish—the Budget will be $75Bn the better! $75Bn! Enough to boost NewStart and the Old Age Pension which will boost massively private sector spending.

The reason for the deficits has been revenue weakness. The Treasury estimates for each Budget were out as revenue was weaker than expected. That is because Costello cut income tax too much. So the “levy” needs to be increased and made permanent.

Making people work until they are 70 is just going to see record numbers go on the DSP.
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Reply #16 - May 5th, 2014 at 8:22am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 7:19am:
Laborites like to blame howard for being too generous with tax cuts and middle class welfare but why would you bank any money as a liberal PM?


for a rainy day .... why else
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Reply #17 - May 5th, 2014 at 8:27am
 
John Smith wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 8:22am:
aquascoot wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 7:19am:
Laborites like to blame howard for being too generous with tax cuts and middle class welfare but why would you bank any money as a liberal PM?


for a rainy day .... why else



As a farmer, this makes very good sense.
unfortunately, why would you work hard and store hay , when those useless socialist rats and other vermin are going to be the beneficiaries Wink
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Reply #18 - May 5th, 2014 at 8:32am
 
Howard was interested in only ONE thing: getting re-elected.

If Howard & Costello had kept the record income—the credit fuelled real estate boom would not have been so big. That would have made things a LOT easier now. But they kept pumping money—tax cuts for the rich and pork and rewarding those who voted Lib—into the boom! A FAIL as far as economic management goes. That is why Costello didn’t get nominated as Finance Minister of the year and why they didn’t get the 9As.

Some money could have been spent on infrastructure. Instead—infrastructure, health and education budgets were robbed to increase the size of the surplus, of the tax cuts and pork!

We can fix our Budget woes overnight: get rid of the last of Howard’s spending from the Budget and rescind the last 2-3 income tax cuts.
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Reply #19 - May 5th, 2014 at 8:33am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 8:16am:
Woo boy, what a cascade of rubbish we are getting from the Lib fanbois here!

Firstly, Hokey and the simian knew the state of the books before the election: the 13/14 Budget, MYEFO, PEFO. As someone said—one good thing Costello did, Charter of Budget Honesty.

So the promises before the election were made in full knowledge of the state of the books. The Audit was a worthless waste of time and definitely not an audit.

The debt we have is small. If it was a real worry we would not have had the 9As reconfirmed recently.

Most of the debt is due to Costello (and Rudd/Swan contributed one cut) cutting income tax too much. We have a revenue problem not a spending problem. The spending is supporting the economy. Gillard/Swan tried fiscal consolidation, i.e. cutting spending but thankfully gave up getting a surplus as the fiscal consolidation was causing unemployment to increase.

There is a type of wasteful spending that can be cut without affecting private sector spending—those tax expenditures, those asset millionaire getting full or part Old Age Pension.

Just think on that last bit—Boomers are retiring, the Old Age Pension is going to balloon out yet we are paying the pension to people owning their own home PLUS a million dollars in assets! Crazy! Weed out all that rubbish—the Budget will be $75Bn the better! $75Bn! Enough to boost NewStart and the Old Age Pension which will boost massively private sector spending.

The reason for the deficits has been revenue weakness. The Treasury estimates for each Budget were out as revenue was weaker than expected. That is because Costello cut income tax too much. So the “levy” needs to be increased and made permanent.

Making people work until they are 70 is just going to see record numbers go on the DSP.



Rubbish George, we have a spending problem.
All of these "structural ' things
health
NDIS
pensions
super concessions

are growing at levels much above the growth in GDP.
hospital costs are growing at 10 %, and the pensioners are starting to bulge the curve even more in terms of demanding these services.

We also had one of the worlds highest rates of debt growth , coming off a very low level.
This low level was totally thanks to Costello.

Stop bagging Costello.
His track record is like black caviars...winner after winner.
Lets look at swans,  a total f^^king disgrace.
Should have been sent to the dog meat factory after his first 2 years.
Only the international socialists would give such a clown an award.  Oh , that's right , they did Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #20 - May 5th, 2014 at 8:35am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 8:27am:
John Smith wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 8:22am:
aquascoot wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 7:19am:
Laborites like to blame howard for being too generous with tax cuts and middle class welfare but why would you bank any money as a liberal PM?


for a rainy day .... why else



As a farmer, this makes very good sense.
unfortunately, why would you work hard and store hay , when those useless socialist rats and other vermin are going to be the beneficiaries Wink


when society benefits we all benefit ....
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Reply #21 - May 5th, 2014 at 8:45am
 
Costello spent like a drunken sailor! He paid for tax cuts with asset sales and a boom. Booms never, ever last. He was a FAILURE as Treasurer! He did not get the 9As, he did not get FM of the year and to prove it even more—he did not get that high paying job in private industry. Industry knows what a failure he was. Until you and other Libs recognise that you cannot manage the economy! With the private sector still heavily indebted radical measures will just see private sector spending slump. That will cause more unemployment and so more paid out as NewStart, less income tax coming in—and a HIGHER deficit!

The revenue projected for each Budget in the last few years, including Hokey’s, proved over optimistic. Time therefor to beef up revenue and cut the last, HUGE chunks of Howard’s irresponsible spending and while we are at it: remove negative gearing.

Cut the wasteful Howardista spending and NDIS etc can easily be afforded. And the need for NDIS is urgent—boomer parents caring for adult disabled children cannot cope for much longer! Gonski will boost our productivity, innovation and the like. Build the NBN and boost productivity, GDP, jobs and exports.

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Reply #22 - May 5th, 2014 at 9:11am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 8:33am:
St George of the Garden wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 8:16am:
Woo boy, what a cascade of rubbish we are getting from the Lib fanbois here!

Firstly, Hokey and the simian knew the state of the books before the election: the 13/14 Budget, MYEFO, PEFO. As someone said—one good thing Costello did, Charter of Budget Honesty.

So the promises before the election were made in full knowledge of the state of the books. The Audit was a worthless waste of time and definitely not an audit.

The debt we have is small. If it was a real worry we would not have had the 9As reconfirmed recently.

Most of the debt is due to Costello (and Rudd/Swan contributed one cut) cutting income tax too much. We have a revenue problem not a spending problem. The spending is supporting the economy. Gillard/Swan tried fiscal consolidation, i.e. cutting spending but thankfully gave up getting a surplus as the fiscal consolidation was causing unemployment to increase.

There is a type of wasteful spending that can be cut without affecting private sector spending—those tax expenditures, those asset millionaire getting full or part Old Age Pension.

Just think on that last bit—Boomers are retiring, the Old Age Pension is going to balloon out yet we are paying the pension to people owning their own home PLUS a million dollars in assets! Crazy! Weed out all that rubbish—the Budget will be $75Bn the better! $75Bn! Enough to boost NewStart and the Old Age Pension which will boost massively private sector spending.

The reason for the deficits has been revenue weakness. The Treasury estimates for each Budget were out as revenue was weaker than expected. That is because Costello cut income tax too much. So the “levy” needs to be increased and made permanent.

Making people work until they are 70 is just going to see record numbers go on the DSP.



Rubbish George, we have a spending problem.
All of these "structural ' things
health
NDIS
pensions
super concessions

are growing at levels much above the growth in GDP.
hospital costs are growing at 10 %, and the pensioners are starting to bulge the curve even more in terms of demanding these services.

We also had one of the worlds highest rates of debt growth , coming off a very low level.
This low level was totally thanks to Costello.

Stop bagging Costello.
His track record is like black caviars...winner after winner.
Lets look at swans,  a total f^^king disgrace.
Should have been sent to the dog meat factory after his first 2 years.
Only the international socialists would give such a clown an award.  Oh , that's right , they did Wink Wink Wink



Simply stunning that there are still people who believe this bullsh1t.

And why this fear and misunderstanding of socialism? Swaggie suffers from the
same misconceptions, you're not related are you?

The Reds haven't been under the beds for decades (if indeed they ever were).
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Reply #23 - May 5th, 2014 at 9:30am
 
Kat wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 9:11am:
And why this fear and misunderstanding of socialism


because without it, their ideology is easily proven to be a scam ... they need socialism to justify their own positions.
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Reply #24 - May 5th, 2014 at 9:32am
 
I always try to be fair and include the one Rudd/Swan tax cut. But we HAVE cut income tax too much, so company tax makes up a significant part of total tax revenues—and company tax fluctuates too much for any confidence to be placed on revenue forecasts.

That is a fact! The boom is gone and some of Costello’s tax cuts ARE NO LONGER SUSTAINABLE! THAT is the big problem with economic management today and no amount of bashing the poor is going to make up the gap.

And the HUGE remains of Howard’s pork and rewarding those who voted for him have to be removed!
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Reply #25 - May 5th, 2014 at 9:34am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 9:32am:
I always try to be fair and include the one Rudd/Swan tax cut. But we HAVE cut income tax too much, so company tax makes up a significant part of total tax revenues—and company tax fluctuates too much for any confidence to be placed on revenue forecasts.

That is a fact! The boom is gone and some of Costello’s tax cuts ARE NO LONGER SUSTAINABLE! THAT is the big problem with economic management today and no amount of bashing the poor is going to make up the gap.

And the HUGE remains of Howard’s pork and rewarding those who voted for him have to be removed!


its sim,ple ... tax cuts = votes, company tax cuts = donations ... asset sales and service cuts = a big bugger u, but thats ok because we can buy back the votes with another tax cut before the next election
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Reply #26 - May 5th, 2014 at 10:51am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 9:32am:
I always try to be fair and include the one Rudd/Swan tax cut. But we HAVE cut income tax too much, so company tax makes up a significant part of total tax revenues—and company tax fluctuates too much for any confidence to be placed on revenue forecasts.

That is a fact! The boom is gone and some of Costello’s tax cuts ARE NO LONGER SUSTAINABLE! THAT is the big problem with economic management today and no amount of bashing the poor is going to make up the gap.

And the HUGE remains of Howard’s pork and rewarding those who voted for him have to be removed!



Oh georgie. Wink Wink
Tax rates in south korea and Singapore are around 9 %.
And they have the economic growth that comes with a low tax regime.
We are talking about bumping the top rate up to nearly 50 %.
now why would our best and brightest think it was a good idea to expand, innovate and go hard at that sort of rate Wink Wink

Sweden is dismantling its welfare system and seeing the economic benefits.

Why do socialists always want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Wink
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Reply #27 - May 5th, 2014 at 11:01am
 
You don’t get pensions in Korea I'll bet.

The Scandinavians survived the GFC quite well. the Swedes have a right wing PM who wants to transform the economy but we are yet to see how successful he will be or how the economy reacts.

I am talking about Australia. I also think you don’t know the top tax rate.
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Reply #28 - May 5th, 2014 at 11:28am
 
the latest one from Abbott is a cracker ... Abbott says we'll thank him for breaking his promises  Grin Grin Grin Grin

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/budget-2014--tony-abbott-says-voters-will-than...
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Reply #29 - May 5th, 2014 at 11:34am
 
What a lunatic! FFS, how long are the Libs going to put up with him? Not that there are a lot of choices for a successor but Hokey or Turncoat would be presentable figureheads.
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