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Re: Tax v Levy
Reply #30 - May 5^th, 2014 at 12:07pm

St George of the Garden wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 11:34am:

What a lunatic! for goodness sake, how long are the Libs going to put up with him? Not that there are a lot of choices for a successor but Hokey or Turncoat would be presentable figureheads.

He's very awkward. Always has been. So was Julia.
What we need is Scott Morrison delivering this sort of news .We need Scott putting the boot in hard to the soft underbelly of no-hopers.
Abbott doesn't have the self confidence that comes from being a true unblinkered "believer" in the market and reward for effort.
he was raised by Jesuits and studies to be a priest.
His instincts are always to use big government and big "tax and spend" ideas to try to "help"
This is poison and treason to the right side of politics and he needs to confess that he is the wrong man for the job.

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Reply #31 - May 5^th, 2014 at 12:29pm

St George of the Garden wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 11:34am:

What a lunatic! for goodness sake, how long are the Libs going to put up with him? Not that there are a lot of choices for a successor but Hokey or Turncoat would be presentable figureheads.

George there is no way that the Liberal Party can get rid of Abbott as Prime Minister with the way he carry on after Rudd was dump.

Abbott has painted the Liberal Party into a corner by trying to dump him from the Prime Ministership.

There is only one way the liberal party can dump Abbott from the Prime Ministership and you can bet London to a brick on that Abbott won't do it, and that is for someone to tap him on the shoulder and tell him to resign from parliament for the good of the liberal party and government.

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Reply #32 - May 5^th, 2014 at 12:58pm

John S wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

There is only one way the liberal party can dump Abbott from the Prime Ministership and you can bet London to a brick on that Abbott won't do it, and that is for someone to tap him on the shoulder and tell him to resign from parliament for the good of the liberal party and government.

Who would they replace him with? Turnbull or Hockey. Morrison might come across as being competent, but he's a creep.

The electorate is in a dilemma - our choice is either Abbott or Shorten.

I'll stay with the Greens.

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Reply #33 - May 5^th, 2014 at 2:20pm

I rather like Malcolm Turbull. If PM Abbott's rating continue to dip, with no signs of recovery, then, it might well be a good possibility. Afterall, the ALP dumped the popular PM Rudd.

I remember that time - November 2009. I was with my family friends holidaying in Airlie's Beach. There was talks of leadership changes in the air. And PM Abbott came out and said he support Malcolm Turbull 100%, and that he is the leader. It was then I told my friends (who were not too interested) that there are going to be some serious changes. And then a day or two later, he was replaced. And since then, politics had been more interesting.

Never say never in politics.

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Reply #34 - May 5^th, 2014 at 3:36pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

I rather like Malcolm Turbull. If PM Abbott's rating continue to dip, with no signs of recovery, then, it might well be a good possibility. Afterall, the ALP dumped the popular PM Rudd.

I remember that time - November 2009. I was with my family friends holidaying in Airlie's Beach. There was talks of leadership changes in the air. And PM Abbott came out and said he support Malcolm Turbull 100%, and that he is the leader. It was then I told my friends (who were not too interested) that there are going to be some serious changes. And then a day or two later, he was replaced. And since then, politics had been more interesting.

Never say never in politics.

They will leave Abbott there until after ICAC has gone through the Feds, and its coming. All politicians are smart enough to avoid look at me moments when ACIC is part of the question.

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Reply #35 - May 5^th, 2014 at 6:03pm

aquascoot wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 7:19am:

Laborites like to blame howard for being too generous with tax cuts and middle class welfare but why would you bank any money as a liberal PM?

So they waste it on largesse instead of investing it in infrastructure. Good thinking ... not.

When buying infrastructure, any infrastructure will do - road, rail, internet - as long as it invests in productivity, helps save lives or other similar benefit for the public. This is where Costello went wrong - he had temporary windfall profits from the mining boom and did not invest it in infrastructure.

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Moronic people like rudd and Gillard are always waiting to come in and spend all that hard earned money on Bullsh^t plans.

Such as?

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But getting back to tony and hockey.
They know what needs to be done.

Slash spending on the programs with the structural problems

the pension
super concessions
health spending.
NDIS
gonski
defence.

This is just your wish list of programs that in your opinion may spend too much.

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I can find little evidence that ANY of the above contribute to economic growth.

Why must they? It's not all about business and damn everything else. Sometimes you need to spend money to ensure a disabled person can replace an old wheelchair before it breaks or to ensure that we have an adequate level of defence. It's about value - something you do not seem to understand very well.

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Now , redirect those billions into scrapping regulation and reducing taxes on small business, family companies and individual tradespeople.

Increase the taxes on the big end of town with a tax on large business (say 2 % on coles/woollies) and roll that back into concessions for farmers.

Differential tax rates for business are not a good idea because it provides a disincentive for the business to grow. A single company tax rate is better.

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Scrap the diesel rebate for multi billionaire miners but keep it for struggling, worlds best practice farmers.

You can spare the emotive crap. It adds nothing. I do agree though that the diesel rebate for miners should be scrapped.

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Put infrastructure in for tourism, not cycle paths for inner city green voters .

its all just common sense.

No it's not - it's just conservative claptrap.

Cycle paths take cars off the road and so reduce traffic congestion for everyone else. It's about providing real choices, not "our way or sod off" attitude that conservative governments pretend is a choice.

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reward the productive elements of society and ruthlessly punish those who aren't productive.

More conservative rubbish involving punishment for non-existent "crimes". What a sick-minded idea. It's not all about making money for "the man".

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And an old aged pensioner sitting on a family home worth 2 million in inner Sydney who thinks they are "owed" a pension needs to face a ruthless assets test, including the family home
Dirty stinking selfish old farts.

Did you overdose on angry pills?

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What a terrible example they are setting with their selfishness.

Part of the problem with such an assets test is that the taxes for selling the home are very heavy. Many of these old people bought their home when it was worth a fraction of what it's worth now. The problem isn't that these people are sitting in homes of great value, it's that the Ponzi real estate market has pushed up prices to unsustainable levels. We need to calm the real estate market.

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