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May 11^th, 2014 at 8:32am

The president of People With Disability Australia, Craig Wallace, says the changes will not help disabled people into the workforce because there are no guaranteed jobs.

Mr Wallace says disabled people will instead be forced onto the New Start allowance, which will reduce their standard of living.

"Reassessing people without guaranteed jobs for them to go to will mean that people are going onto the New Start allowance, which is around $160 less a week," he said.

Wow! That's a real shocker. Those now paying rent or a mortgage will soon be living on the streets as part of the homeless and destitute, gathered around the soup kitchens in the seedy part of every city and town.

It's all part of the plan to Americanise Australian society so that we have as big an impoverished under-class as they do, percentage-wise, with all the criminality and drug-culture that this gives rise to.

'One-Term Tony' is looking increasingly like he'll end up as little more than a brief footnote in the history books.

Even Backdoor Bob would have more chance of being re-elected than Tony at the moment.

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified Reply #1 - May 11^th, 2014 at 8:35am A penny pinching mean spirited policy from the conservatives. I reckon many previous conservatives voters will not make the same mistake twice.
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Reply #2 - May 11^th, 2014 at 8:39am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:32am:

Wow! That's a real shocker. Those now paying rent or a mortgage will soon be living on the streets as part of the homeless and destitute, gathered around the soup kitchens in the seedy part of every city and town.

It's all part of the plan to Americanise Australian society so that we have as big an impoverished under-class as they do, percentage-wise, with all the criminality and drug-culture that this gives rise to.

Society in chaos, that's the way they planned it. Destitute and homeless people, a beaten down population is easy to control.

BOTR!!!

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Reply #3 - May 11^th, 2014 at 8:57am

Back in the 50's in the UK virtually every person who was disabled both physically or mentally went off to work in Sheltered Workshops.

They were collected at home and 'bussed' there, and collected after work.

No one thought twice about it.

Every city and town had its Sheltered Workshops. Instead of being isolated at home and thinking themselves to be social pariahs, they had the respect of everyone for 'doing their bit' to support themselves, and they themselves enjoyed a social life and a healthy self-esteem that they would otherwise never have had.

The whole thing worked because of the 'ubiquitous' Sheltered Workshops.

So ... where are Abbott's Sheltered Workshops? (Apart from the one in Canberra ... )

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Reply #4 - May 11^th, 2014 at 9:02am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:39am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:32am:

Wow! That's a real shocker. Those now paying rent or a mortgage will soon be living on the streets as part of the homeless and destitute, gathered around the soup kitchens in the seedy part of every city and town.

It's all part of the plan to Americanise Australian society so that we have as big an impoverished under-class as they do, percentage-wise, with all the criminality and drug-culture that this gives rise to.

Society in chaos, that's the way they planned it. Destitute and homeless people, a beaten down population is easy to control.

BOTR!!!

Don't be stupid. Mass unrest is not easy to control; hence why there is unrest to begin with. Massive unemployment is a recipe for disaster.

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Reply #5 - May 11^th, 2014 at 9:03am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:57am:

Back in the 50's in the UK virtually every person who was disabled both physically or mentally went off to work in Sheltered Workshops.

They were collected at home and 'bussed' there, and collected after work.

No one thought twice about it.

Every city and town had its Sheltered Workshops. Instead of being isolated at home and thinking themselves to be social pariahs, they had the respect of everyone for 'doing their bit' to support themselves, and they themselves enjoyed a social life and a healthy self-esteem that they would otherwise never have had.

The whole thing worked because of the 'ubiquitous' Sheltered Workshops.

They still do in my regional area, but very few opportunities, only the recycling depot as far as I know, there must be a waiting list a mile long, there used to be heaps of places that allowed them to do some productive work. See how Greed Inc has railroaded all those great schemes, we're going backwards in many ways.

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Reply #6 - May 11^th, 2014 at 10:08am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

They still do in my regional area, but very few opportunities, only the recycling depot as far as I know, there must be a waiting list a mile long, there used to be heaps of places that allowed them to do some productive work. See how Greed Inc has railroaded all those great schemes, we're going backwards in many ways.

I suspect the sheltered workshops began to disappear when everything started being Made in China.

The sheltered workshops did mostly packing jobs, like putting so many clothes pegs into little cellophane bags which someone would then seal with a heat-sealer press.

Lots of jobs like that where the workers would sit at long tables, with music in the background, and be organised by supervisors.

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Reply #7 - May 11^th, 2014 at 10:09am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:57am:

Back in the 50's in the UK virtually every person who was disabled both physically or mentally went off to work in Sheltered Workshops.

They were collected at home and 'bussed' there, and collected after work.

No one thought twice about it.

Every city and town had its Sheltered Workshops. Instead of being isolated at home and thinking themselves to be social pariahs, they had the respect of everyone for 'doing their bit' to support themselves, and they themselves enjoyed a social life and a healthy self-esteem that they would otherwise never have had.

The whole thing worked because of the 'ubiquitous' Sheltered Workshops.

They still do in my regional area, but very few opportunities, only the recycling depot as far as I know, there must be a waiting list a mile long, there used to be heaps of places that allowed them to do some productive work. See how Greed Inc has railroaded all those great schemes, we're going backwards in many ways.

What about fruit picking ? - you don't need a degree to do that.

I have heard of crops rotting on the vine due to lack of workers.

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Reply #8 - May 11^th, 2014 at 10:12am

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

What about fruit picking ? - you don't need a degree to do that.

I have heard of crops rotting on the vine due to lack of workers.

We're talking about the mentally and physically disabled here.

The mentally disabled would eat themselves sick, while the physically disabled would fall off the 'A'-ladders used to pick the orchard fruits.

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Reply #9 - May 11^th, 2014 at 10:20am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

What about fruit picking ? - you don't need a degree to do that.

I have heard of crops rotting on the vine due to lack of workers.

We're talking about the mentally and physically disabled here.

The mentally disabled would eat themselves sick, while the physically disabled would fall off the 'A'-ladders used to pick the orchard fruits.

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Reply #11 - May 11^th, 2014 at 12:18pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

Yep - based on the backyard wisdom that there are all these 'bludgers' out there copping Disability for nothing.

Do you reckon any of the same name-callers would say that about our Veteran community and those in it on pensions?

They wouldn't have the guts.

At a very conservative guess I'd say at least 10% on DSP are fraudsters. Maybe more.

And why? Because they broadened the scope to include 'back-ache', 'depression', etc. ~ both conditions that are highly exploitable if you can find a doctor to sign you off on it.

There are over 8,000 ethnic-Australians living 'back home' overseas who are in receipt of the DSP ... and if more than half of them are not on a rort ~ I'll eat my hat.

Bullshit 'compo' rorts and DSP fraud have been a cottage industry ever since the factories and building sites filled up with 'New Australians' from the mid-50's.

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Reply #12 - May 11^th, 2014 at 2:05pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

Yep - based on the backyard wisdom that there are all these 'bludgers' out there copping Disability for nothing.

Do you reckon any of the same name-callers would say that about our Veteran community and those in it on pensions?

They wouldn't have the guts.

At a very conservative guess I'd say at least 10% on DSP are fraudsters. Maybe more.

And why? Because they broadened the scope to include 'back-ache', 'depression', etc. ~ both conditions that are highly exploitable if you can find a doctor to sign you off on it.

There are over 8,000 ethnic-Australians living 'back home' overseas who are in receipt of the DSP ... and if more than half of them are not on a rort ~ I'll eat my hat.

Bullshit 'compo' rorts and DSP fraud have been a cottage industry ever since the factories and building sites filled up with 'New Australians' from the mid-50's.

Your racism is forgiven.

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Reply #13 - May 11^th, 2014 at 3:09pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:57am:

Back in the 50's in the UK virtually every person who was disabled both physically or mentally went off to work in Sheltered Workshops.

They were collected at home and 'bussed' there, and collected after work.

No one thought twice about it.

Every city and town had its Sheltered Workshops. Instead of being isolated at home and thinking themselves to be social pariahs, they had the respect of everyone for 'doing their bit' to support themselves, and they themselves enjoyed a social life and a healthy self-esteem that they would otherwise never have had.

The whole thing worked because of the 'ubiquitous' Sheltered Workshops.

They still do in my regional area, but very few opportunities, only the recycling depot as far as I know, there must be a waiting list a mile long, there used to be heaps of places that allowed them to do some productive work. See how Greed Inc has railroaded all those great schemes, we're going backwards in many ways.

Same in my neck of the woods.

And apparently they aren't paid very much for the work, either.

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Reply #14 - May 11^th, 2014 at 3:16pm

As I understand it, the retesting of DSP claimants is going to be limited to those under 35. This is all still speculation of course.

If you've got a weak stomach like Bobby, shut your ears now.
It is well known that there is a plague of false DSP claims among the middle eastern community, BUT many if not most of these will be in the age group above 35. So how is this going to help?

Oh, and how do they make false claims? They have got doctors in their pocket, either through family ties, bribes or threats.

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