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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified Reply #105 - May 13^th, 2014 at 7:59am Bobby. wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:56am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:55am: Hi Bobby, That Nazi pic..............is that Scott Morrison on the far left of frame? I believe it's Mr Himmler. A rose, by any other name...
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Reply #106 - May 13^th, 2014 at 8:00am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

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No one earns the right to entitlement

I have paid for others to get the pension through my taxes
therefore I feel entitled to get a pension myself.

Same as if I developed a disability.

Correct.

What goes around, comes around.

Then, it was our duty to finance the needs of the Welfare Benefits Teat Sucklings ~ and now that we ourselves have gown old and infirm and have become sucklings of these very same taxation-funded tits, it's our turn to be carried aloft in comfort by the litter-bearers of the tax-paying employed.

Yes - no wonder we all feel so entitled.

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified Reply #107 - May 13^th, 2014 at 8:00am And there would be no harm in people having to face regular re-assessment, if their condition is one that can improve. If their condition was one that could improve, they would have been put on sickness benefits in the first place.
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Reply #108 - May 13^th, 2014 at 8:01am

Kat wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Bobby. wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:55am:

Hi Bobby,

That Nazi pic..............is that Scott Morrison on the far left of frame?

I believe it's Mr Himmler.

A rose, by any other name...

A mass murderer who started out by persecuting disabled people:

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Reply #109 - May 13^th, 2014 at 8:06am

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

I always thought of my taxes as a kind of insurance policy.

That was always part of the deal with being a tax-payer. It gave you certain expectations for the future should you become old, unemployed, or incapacitated.

It's worth noting that it was Bob Hawke who sneakily discontinued worker's medical levies being itemised on payslips as separate from the tax. This way it opened up a whole new stream of financial contributions from Australia's workers for his government to play silly-buggers with.

Journalist: "Mr Hawke ~ Is your government now accessing the compulsory medical levy from Australia's 8 million workers for general use not to do with bulk-billing and free hospital treatment?"

Bob Hawke: "What medical levy? I think you need to check your facts, dear".

So, Bobby ... our tax contributions towards our future need to draw upon government welfare was always a part of our tax-burden, but not itemised separately.

Ian is on a rampage this morning. Probably indigestion driving his temper. Don't take him too literally this morning. He'll lighten up by tomorrow. If it's not indigestion, then it's probably sun-spot activity.

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Reply #110 - May 13^th, 2014 at 8:23am

austranger wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

      I've been having a bad day today, so I've been sitting here reading through various threads to distract myself.
   This one in particular has enlightened me, although others have confirmed it.
   This "Ian" likes to play "Devils Advocate", in a nasty, amateurish (perchance childish?) manner, he takes contrary points, he regularly casts insults and slurs left, right, and centre.
      Why is this allowed to continue? I thought personal abuse was unacceptable here?
      Either which, from this point on I'm going to totally ignore any post he makes, and I suggest others do the same, he makes NO serious contribution to any discussion he enters and merely seeks to provoke a reaction, let's starve him of the attention he so obviously seeks?
   Perhaps needs?

   When children behave like this the best answer is to ignore them till they give up and start to behave reasonably, perhaps that approach will work with this one too?
   So, it begins now, in every and any thread, and I invite everyone else to join me. Cool

Sorry aust ~ but love him or hate him ~ Ian is a good contributor. Intelligent and articulate ~ and not seeking popularity. He's a catalyst for stirring up the emotions, and yes, occasionally he should be strapped to a chair on a swinging arm at the Dunking Pond, or suspended over a tall building by his heels.

But he brings stimulation to this board, and that makes it a lot more interesting than if we all agreed with each other.

I think it might not be out of order if you should offer him an apology for your above comments. Cool

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Reply #111 - May 13^th, 2014 at 12:23pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 8:06am:

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

I always thought of my taxes as a kind of insurance policy.

That was always part of the deal with being a tax-payer. It gave you certain expectations for the future should you become old, unemployed, or incapacitated.

It's worth noting that it was Bob Hawke who sneakily discontinued worker's medical levies being itemised on payslips as separate from the tax. This way it opened up a whole new stream of financial contributions from Australia's workers for his government to play silly-buggers with.

Journalist: "Mr Hawke ~ Is your government now accessing the compulsory medical levy from Australia's 8 million workers for general use not to do with bulk-billing and free hospital treatment?"

Bob Hawke: "What medical levy? I think you need to check your facts, dear".

So, Bobby ... our tax contributions towards our future need to draw upon government welfare was always a part of our tax-burden, but not itemised separately.

Ian is on a rampage this morning. Probably indigestion driving his temper. Don't take him too literally this morning. He'll lighten up by tomorrow. If it's not indigestion, then it's probably sun-spot activity.

Ah, yes - the old 'consolidated revenue' trick eh? Anyone could see THAT one coming!

Bro Hawke has a lot to answer for.... and that from one who was a rusted-on Labor supporter in the past and a Union delegate.

Power to the people..... not just the privatised electricity sellers...

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Reply #112 - May 13^th, 2014 at 12:48pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 8:23am:

austranger wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

      I've been having a bad day today, so I've been sitting here reading through various threads to distract myself.
   This one in particular has enlightened me, although others have confirmed it.
   This "Ian" likes to play "Devils Advocate", in a nasty, amateurish (perchance childish?) manner, he takes contrary points, he regularly casts insults and slurs left, right, and centre.
      Why is this allowed to continue? I thought personal abuse was unacceptable here?
      Either which, from this point on I'm going to totally ignore any post he makes, and I suggest others do the same, he makes NO serious contribution to any discussion he enters and merely seeks to provoke a reaction, let's starve him of the attention he so obviously seeks?
   Perhaps needs?

   When children behave like this the best answer is to ignore them till they give up and start to behave reasonably, perhaps that approach will work with this one too?
   So, it begins now, in every and any thread, and I invite everyone else to join me. Cool

Sorry aust ~ but love him or hate him ~ Ian is a good contributor. Intelligent and articulate ~ and not seeking popularity. He's a catalyst for stirring up the emotions, and yes, occasionally he should be strapped to a chair on a swinging arm at the Dunking Pond, or suspended over a tall building from his heels.

But he brings stimulation to this board, and that makes it a lot more interesting than if we all agreed with each other.

I think it might not be out of order if you should offer him an apology for your above comments. Cool

If his offensive, and at times abusive, commentary is seen as acceptable here, fair enough, I'll bow to majority opinion, or the monitors, as the case may be, but then it would seem highly unfair to ask me to apologise for being far less offensive, or whatever, than he regularly is. Lips Sealed

Good for the goose etc?
No matter, I shall continue to ignore his juvenile and provocative posts in the hope that eventually he will mature enough for decent company. Cool

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Reply #113 - May 13^th, 2014 at 1:29pm

austranger wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

If his offensive, and at times abusive, commentary is seen as acceptable here, fair enough, I'll bow to majority opinion, or the monitors, as the case may be, but then it would seem highly unfair to ask me to apologise for being far less offensive, or whatever, than he regularly is. Lips Sealed

Good for the goose etc?
No matter, I shall continue to ignore his juvenile and provocative posts in the hope that eventually he will mature enough for decent company. Cool

I feel sure he's preparing his fulsome apology to you, even as we speak ... Cool

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Reply #114 - May 13^th, 2014 at 2:49pm

Hi I am just new to this forum and have not had a chance to read all of the posts yet but I just wondered if anyone has ever encountered this before. My DSP was cancelled last year after attending the SSAT and AAT.

A document from two doctors at Centrelink Health Professionals Advisory Unit supporting my eligibility for DSP was not in the Centrelink Review officers list of evidence and had previously been disregarded by a psychologist Job Capacity Assessor assessing my physical injuries.

Centrelink failed to supply this document to the SSAT until after their decision even though it had been requested under Freedom of Information weeks prior to the hearing and a request for an extension of time for the hearing to receive this was denied.

The SSAT included this document in their decision even though it is date stamped as arriving at their office via fax two days after the decision had been made and written into their report as being part of the decision.

I would recommend all those appealing DSP cancellations get a copy of their Job Capacity Assessment and read through it carefully you might be surprised as I was with what you find.

The Ombudsman showed no interest in my complaint.

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Reply #115 - May 13^th, 2014 at 2:55pm

Welcome to the board, Justice.

Don't give up. Even become a pest to them if you have to. The oil goes to the squeaky wheel.

Just keep plugging away at them. Wear them down. They will relent eventually.

Contact your local federal MP for an interview. Don't overload him or her with too much to say. Keep to what's strictly relevant. Through their powers of 'Ministerial Discretion' they can make 'telephone calls' .. the sort that can soften up your local Centrelink staff.

Best of luck.

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Reply #116 - May 13^th, 2014 at 5:17pm

      I too suggest you be that squeaky wheel, whenever I've dealt with any large organisation, public or private, that has always worked for me.
      I've had none of your experiences, I didn't even know such things or people existed, honestly.
   My own case was/is simple, my disabilities are there in plain sight in any x-ray or cursory physical examination, it took me all of ONE day to be granted the DSP when it was made clear to me that I should do so by Centrelink.
   Even back when I asked to be taken OFF it because I had been offered a job and was taking it they insisted on only suspending it for the duration, and once I left that job they re-instated it immediately without a squeak.
   Go figure!    Huh

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Reply #117 - May 13^th, 2014 at 5:29pm

Bobby. wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 8:01am:

Kat wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Bobby. wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:55am:

Hi Bobby,

That Nazi pic..............is that Scott Morrison on the far left of frame?

I believe it's Mr Himmler.

A rose, by any other name...

A mass murderer who started out by persecuting disabled people:

http://skepticism-images.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/images/jreviews/Hitl...

great pic bobby.
looks like the new over-seers for the "green army"

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Reply #118 - May 13^th, 2014 at 7:19pm

Justice for Disabled wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Hi I am just new to this forum and have not had a chance to read all of the posts yet but I just wondered if anyone has ever encountered this before. My DSP was cancelled last year after attending the SSAT and AAT.

A document from two doctors at Centrelink Health Professionals Advisory Unit supporting my eligibility for DSP was not in the Centrelink Review officers list of evidence and had previously been disregarded by a psychologist Job Capacity Assessor assessing my physical injuries.

Centrelink failed to supply this document to the SSAT until after their decision even though it had been requested under Freedom of Information weeks prior to the hearing and a request for an extension of time for the hearing to receive this was denied.

The SSAT included this document in their decision even though it is date stamped as arriving at their office via fax two days after the decision had been made and written into their report as being part of the decision.

I would recommend all those appealing DSP cancellations get a copy of their Job Capacity Assessment and read through it carefully you might be surprised as I was with what you find.

The Ombudsman showed no interest in my complaint.

Could you decipher your acronyms please?

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Reply #119 - May 13^th, 2014 at 7:20pm

aquascoot wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 5:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 8:01am:

Kat wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Bobby. wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 7:55am: