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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #45 - May 11^th, 2014 at 10:22pm

austranger wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Mine was in 1978, and they told me:

:You'll never work again (I'd smashed my hand as well as all the rest)
:Even if you can learn to walk properly (dubious) you'll be in a wheelchair by 40
:You'll be lucky to live far beyond 50 due the internal damage you've done.

I've beaten every single one of those predictions, in Spades! Wink

i AM going downhill now, but that's all the more reason to fight and have fun, enjoy my grandson and the achievements of my kids, and the sole reason for my Sig" below, I used that back in the day to resist depression, and it sorta worked too, lol. Wink

Some days it was hard to find a smile, so I achieved a Black-Belt, 7th Dan in bad jokes and puns, which coincidentally led years later to the kids favourite saying.."Dad, you're an idiot"! Grin

Salaam, brothers in chairs - I beat the prediction I'd be in a wheelchair - flexed, stretched and straightened out my back injury that had me walking on the outside of my left foot and unable to lie on my back in bed or sit in a car seats straight....

Not this little black duck! Nowadays and for some years I've been building a house and up on the rafters etc like some 22 year old... but I do it at my pace and I can have weeks when my energy is so low I can hardly do anything.... or I can be out of action for two months with back..... I keep my hand-crafted walking stick handy...... and have a pair of crutches in the cupboard just in case...

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #46 - May 11^th, 2014 at 10:22pm

austranger wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:08pm:

ian wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

If you can walk and have all your limbs you dont deserve a disability parking permit. Lots of people have constant pain. we would all be on disability if that was the only criteria. whinging self entitled wankers. Only have to look at this thread to see the whole problem in this country.

   Sheer ignorance, and possibly a touch of arrogance too.
There's pain, and there's disabling pain, a whole nuther thing indeed.
Despite your attitude I truly hope you never learn the difference, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, not even those of your ilk.
   Try and imagine it, your brain is trying to climb out of your head, your muscles are simultaneously cramping to the extreme and failing, your vision blurs, you feel like your about to mess your pants on the spot, sometimes it feels like a pack of rabid Rottweilers are trying to tear your leg(s) off, occasionally you faint or collapse?
   That happens to me regularly, it's no fun to say the least. I won't shake hands with anyone, my bones break too often doing that, I can't run, I have to step slowly up or down stairs, even standing up from a chair can be difficult on a bad day, and getting in or out of the car is always difficult.p
   Can you picture how your statement makes me feel? Angry

   I paid one H of a lot of taxes across my career as a Chef, and during my time with the Sallies too, so......self-entitled?
   To quote a slightly famous movie, "Huh,I blow my nose in your general direction"

I saw your photo, might pay to lose a few kilos champ. Btw, I once spent 6 weeks in ICUs, so no stranger to pain. Still got the trach scar, plus a few other things I manage to cope with. Despite all this I still lead an extremely physical life. In fact I believe mental attitude is everything. I hardly ever talk about my previous injuries, in fact this is the first time I have in years, I don't believe in trying to elicit sympathy. Besides, no one would believe me looking at me.

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #47 - May 11^th, 2014 at 10:41pm

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

But what if a a person who was a genuine case lost the DSP?

That would be a miscarriage of justice, and we can only hope he or she will have recourse to legal procedures to regain the DSP.

The ones most at risk of losing the DSP are those suffering from mental conditions that are not obvious to the casual observer.

Even psychiatrists are inept at detecting certain psychological problems that are difficult to diagnose.

The first people that the Nazis picked on were those who were retarded or with disabilities.

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #48 - May 11^th, 2014 at 10:44pm

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 10:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

But what if a a person who was a genuine case lost the DSP?

That would be a miscarriage of justice, and we can only hope he or she will have recourse to legal procedures to regain the DSP.

The ones most at risk of losing the DSP are those suffering from mental conditions that are not obvious to the casual observer.

Even psychiatrists are inept at detecting certain psychological problems that are difficult to diagnose.

The first people that the Nazis picked on were those who were retarded or with disabilities.

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

That's incorrect. They went for their political opposition first. Then the Jews.

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #49 - May 11^th, 2014 at 10:53pm

ian wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 10:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

But what if a a person who was a genuine case lost the DSP?

That would be a miscarriage of justice, and we can only hope he or she will have recourse to legal procedures to regain the DSP.

The ones most at risk of losing the DSP are those suffering from mental conditions that are not obvious to the casual observer.

Even psychiatrists are inept at detecting certain psychological problems that are difficult to diagnose.

The first people that the Nazis picked on were those who were retarded or with disabilities.

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

That's incorrect. They went for their political opposition first. Then the Jews.

See - they went for the retarded politicians first! All good....

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #50 - May 12^th, 2014 at 12:05am

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Kat wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

As you aren't on DSP you don't have to be afraid?

Last year we saw news footage of a Muslim youth on a rampage through the streets of Sydney, smashing the windshield of a police car.

It transpired that he was on a Disability Support Pension. As fit as an Olympic athlete.

That sort of bullshit amongst the Muslim community, and the rest, should be put a stop to very promptly.

I myself witnessed a Yugoslav on a DSP rort for 'bad back' proceed to have 11 children while paying off a McMansion.

It's gone on for long enough.

But what if a a person who was a genuine case lost the DSP?

Better that 10,000 genuine cases lose-out, than one rorter slip through the net. Smiley

Dear Gatto,
You seem to have a hatred for people you've never met.

you are forgiven

with very much love

and so it is

according to the divine plan

namaste

Hatred? Where?

No hate in my post.

A healthy touch of cynicism, yes. But no hatred.

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #51 - May 12^th, 2014 at 12:18am

ian wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 10:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

But what if a a person who was a genuine case lost the DSP?

That would be a miscarriage of justice, and we can only hope he or she will have recourse to legal procedures to regain the DSP.

The ones most at risk of losing the DSP are those suffering from mental conditions that are not obvious to the casual observer.

Even psychiatrists are inept at detecting certain psychological problems that are difficult to diagnose.

The first people that the Nazis picked on were those who were retarded or with disabilities.

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

That's incorrect. They went for their political opposition first. Then the Jews.

You are an ignorant person but you're forgiven:

http://www.fold3.com/page/286019384_nazi_propaganda_against_the_disabled/stories...

Quote:

Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.”

July 14, 1933

On July 14, 1933, the Nazi government instituted the “Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.” This law, one of the first steps taken by the Nazis toward their goal of creating an Aryan “master race,” called for the sterilization of all persons who suffered from diseases considered hereditary, such as mental illness, learning disabilities, physical deformity, epilepsy, blindness, deafness, and severe alcoholism. With the law’s passage the Third Reich also stepped up its propaganda against people with disabilities, regularly labeling them “life unworthy of life” or “useless eaters” and highlighting their burden upon society.

Just a few years later, the persecution of people with disabilities escalated even further. In the autumn of 1939, Adolf Hitler secretly authorized a medically administered program of “mercy death” code-named “Operation T4,” in reference to the address of the program’s Berlin headquarters at Tiergartenstrasse 4. Between 1940 and 1941 approximately 70,000 Austrian and German disabled people were killed under the T4 program, most via large-scale killing operations using poison gas. (This methodology served as the precursor to the streamlined extermination methods of the “Final Solution.”) Although Hitler formally ordered a halt to the program in late August 1941, the killings secretly continued until the war’s end, resulting in the murder of an estimated 275,000 people with disabilities.

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #52 - May 12^th, 2014 at 12:20am

Kat wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:05am:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Kat wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

As you aren't on DSP you don't have to be afraid?

Last year we saw news footage of a Muslim youth on a rampage through the streets of Sydney, smashing the windshield of a police car.

It transpired that he was on a Disability Support Pension. As fit as an Olympic athlete.

That sort of bullshit amongst the Muslim community, and the rest, should be put a stop to very promptly.

I myself witnessed a Yugoslav on a DSP rort for 'bad back' proceed to have 11 children while paying off a McMansion.

It's gone on for long enough.

But what if a a person who was a genuine case lost the DSP?

Better that 10,000 genuine cases lose-out, than one rorter slip through the net. Smiley

Dear Gatto,
You seem to have a hatred for people you've never met.

you are forgiven

with very much love

and so it is

according to the divine plan

namaste

Hatred? Where?

No hate in my post.

A healthy touch of cynicism, yes. But no hatred.

you wrote:

Better that 10,000 genuine cases lose-out, than one rorter slip through the net

forgiven

namaste

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103833 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified Reply #53 - May 12^th, 2014 at 12:35am Isn't it amazing how history repeats? A far right wing government always goes after & persecutes the disabled & it's most vulnerable people first.
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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #54 - May 12^th, 2014 at 1:20am

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:20am:

Kat wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:05am:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Kat wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

As you aren't on DSP you don't have to be afraid?

Last year we saw news footage of a Muslim youth on a rampage through the streets of Sydney, smashing the windshield of a police car.

It transpired that he was on a Disability Support Pension. As fit as an Olympic athlete.

That sort of bullshit amongst the Muslim community, and the rest, should be put a stop to very promptly.

I myself witnessed a Yugoslav on a DSP rort for 'bad back' proceed to have 11 children while paying off a McMansion.

It's gone on for long enough.

But what if a a person who was a genuine case lost the DSP?

Better that 10,000 genuine cases lose-out, than one rorter slip through the net. Smiley

Dear Gatto,
You seem to have a hatred for people you've never met.

you are forgiven

with very much love

and so it is

according to the divine plan

namaste

Hatred? Where?

No hate in my post.

A healthy touch of cynicism, yes. But no hatred.

you wrote:

[highlight]Better that 10,000 genuine cases lose-out, than one rorter slip through the net

[/highlight]

forgiven

namaste

And?

Don't you 'get' sarcasm?

Or are you suggesting that I actually feel that way?

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #55 - May 12^th, 2014 at 5:46am

ian wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

austranger wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:08pm:

ian wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

If you can walk and have all your limbs you dont deserve a disability parking permit. Lots of people have constant pain. we would all be on disability if that was the only criteria. whinging self entitled wankers. Only have to look at this thread to see the whole problem in this country.

   Sheer ignorance, and possibly a touch of arrogance too.
There's pain, and there's disabling pain, a whole nuther thing indeed.
Despite your attitude I truly hope you never learn the difference, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, not even those of your ilk.
   Try and imagine it, your brain is trying to climb out of your head, your muscles are simultaneously cramping to the extreme and failing, your vision blurs, you feel like your about to mess your pants on the spot, sometimes it feels like a pack of rabid Rottweilers are trying to tear your leg(s) off, occasionally you faint or collapse?
   That happens to me regularly, it's no fun to say the least. I won't shake hands with anyone, my bones break too often doing that, I can't run, I have to step slowly up or down stairs, even standing up from a chair can be difficult on a bad day, and getting in or out of the car is always difficult.p
   Can you picture how your statement makes me feel? Angry

   I paid one H of a lot of taxes across my career as a Chef, and during my time with the Sallies too, so......self-entitled?
   To quote a slightly famous movie, "Huh,I blow my nose in your general direction"

I saw your photo, might pay to lose a few kilos champ. Btw, I once spent 6 weeks in ICUs, so no stranger to pain. Still got the trach scar, plus a few other things I manage to cope with. Despite all this I still lead an extremely physical life. In fact I believe mental attitude is everything. I hardly ever talk about my previous injuries, in fact this is the first time I have in years, I don't believe in trying to elicit sympathy. Besides, no one would believe me looking at me.

Ahh. Im guessing you are a religious nut since you are trying to judge someone by their photo. If you read what he said your attempted smear had nothing to do with the topic. Reported.

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Reply #57 - May 12^th, 2014 at 6:33am

Grappler and Austranger, you are both an inspiration. Sounds like you've both had your share of setbacks, but you've beaten the odds and can live happy and fulfilled lives despite your disabilities, good on ya's!

(shame about old sad sack ian who loves to twist the knife in the backs of our battlers)

Abbott would have the same response, if you can crawl to work (that's some non existent work place by the way), you're not disabled.

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #58 - May 12^th, 2014 at 7:18am

it_is_the_light wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 5:59am:

many blessings

all continues to be exposed yes

keep voting for slavery if that would please you

all have freewill

so be it

namaste

ॐ
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Very true master Light,

http://www.fold3.com/page/286019384_nazi_propaganda_against_the_disabled/stories...

Quote:

Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.”

July 14, 1933

On July 14, 1933, the Nazi government instituted the “Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.” This law, one of the first steps taken by the Nazis toward their goal of creating an Aryan “master race,” called for the sterilization of all persons who suffered from diseases considered hereditary, such as mental illness, learning disabilities, physical deformity, epilepsy, blindness, deafness, and severe alcoholism. With the law’s passage the Third Reich also stepped up its propaganda against people with disabilities, regularly labeling them “life unworthy of life” or “useless eaters” and highlighting their burden upon society.

Just a few years later, the persecution of people with disabilities escalated even further. In the autumn of 1939, Adolf Hitler secretly authorized a medically administered program of “mercy death” code-named “Operation T4,” in reference to the address of the program’s Berlin headquarters at Tiergartenstrasse 4. Between 1940 and 1941 approximately 70,000 Austrian and German disabled people were killed under the T4 program, most via large-scale killing operations using poison gas. (This methodology served as the precursor to the streamlined extermination methods of the “Final Solution.”) Although Hitler formally ordered a halt to the program in late August 1941, the killings secretly continued until the war’s end, resulting in the murder of an estimated 275,000 people with disabilities.

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #59 - May 12^th, 2014 at 7:28am

Kat wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 1:20am:

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:20am:

Kat wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:05am:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Kat wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

As you aren't on DSP you don't have to be afraid?

Last year we saw news footage of a Muslim youth on a rampage through the streets of Sydney, smashing the windshield of a police car.

It transpired that he was on a Disability Support Pension. As fit as an Olympic athlete.

That sort of bullshit amongst the Muslim community, and the rest, should be put a stop to very promptly.

I myself witnessed a Yugoslav on a DSP rort for 'bad back' proceed to have 11 children while paying off a McMansion.

It's gone on for long enough.

But what if a a person who was a genuine case lost the DSP?

Better that 10,000 genuine cases lose-out, than one rorter slip through the net. Smiley

Dear Gatto,
You seem to have a hatred for people you've never met.

you are forgiven

with very much love

and so it is

according to the divine plan

namaste

Hatred? Where?

No hate in my post.

A healthy touch of cynicism, yes. But no hatred.

you wrote:

[highlight]Better that 10,000 genuine cases lose-out, than one rorter slip through the net

[/highlight]

forgiven

namaste

And?

Don't you 'get' sarcasm?

Or are you suggesting that I actually feel that way?

I didn't know it was sarcasm & neither did anyone else.

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