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Reply #60 - May 12^th, 2014 at 7:40am

Not at all.

Disability Support Pensioners to be included in the community.

How ludicrous that 400,000 people under the age of 45 are "pensioners"
Even more ludicrous that 1/2 are on it for a bad back or depression.

backs are helped by exercise and light duties....this is an undeniable fact.
depression is helped by social interaction and integration.
this is an undeniable fact.

It is pathetic that these people are just put on benefits because it is a little difficult to place them and motivate them.

If a 10 yo was "depressed" and didn't want to go to school, would the solution be to allow him to stay home (avoidance) and become more socially isolated....Hell No.

We need to open a big can of "whoop ass" under the depressed and the back pain brigade and the public servants who are there to "help" them and get them moving again.

They can certainly go to nursing homes and help feed elderly people, they can help old grandma clean her house . they can help at the rspca washing dogs, they can help public servants clean out their desks.
they need to wake up every morning and say
"how can I help my community, how can I give something back? how can I thank those who are toiling on my behalf...they can be put on a roster to wash dishes and clean bathrooms for local taxpayers....win/win

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #61 - May 12^th, 2014 at 7:54am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 6:33am:

Grappler and Austranger, you are both an inspiration. Sounds like you've both had your share of setbacks, but you've beaten the odds and can live happy and fulfilled lives despite your disabilities, good on ya's!

(shame about old sad sack ian who loves to twist the knife in the backs of our battlers)

Abbott would have the same response, if you can crawl to work (that's some non existent work place by the way), you're not disabled.

Inspiration my arse, a couple of self entitled whingers.

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Reply #62 - May 12^th, 2014 at 7:57am

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:18am:

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Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.”

July 14, 1933

On July 14, 1933, the Nazi government instituted the “Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.” This law, one of the first steps taken by the Nazis toward their goal of creating an Aryan “master race,” called for the sterilization of all persons who suffered from diseases considered hereditary, such as mental illness, learning disabilities, physical deformity, epilepsy, blindness, deafness, and severe alcoholism. With the law’s passage the Third Reich also stepped up its propaganda against people with disabilities, regularly labeling them “life unworthy of life” or “useless eaters” and highlighting their burden upon society.

Just a few years later, the persecution of people with disabilities escalated even further. In the autumn of 1939, Adolf Hitler secretly authorized a medically administered program of “mercy death” code-named “Operation T4,” in reference to the address of the program’s Berlin headquarters at Tiergartenstrasse 4. Between 1940 and 1941 approximately 70,000 Austrian and German disabled people were killed under the T4 program, most via large-scale killing operations using poison gas. (This methodology served as the precursor to the streamlined extermination methods of the “Final Solution.”) Although Hitler formally ordered a halt to the program in late August 1941, the killings secretly continued until the war’s end, resulting in the murder of an estimated 275,000 people with disabilities.

The sterilisation law was actually a good thing, some countries actually practised it until the 1970's. Besides which Hitler had already gone for the Jews well before 1933.

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Reply #63 - May 12^th, 2014 at 8:12am

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Kat wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 1:20am:

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:20am:

Kat wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:05am:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Kat wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

As you aren't on DSP you don't have to be afraid?

Last year we saw news footage of a Muslim youth on a rampage through the streets of Sydney, smashing the windshield of a police car.

It transpired that he was on a Disability Support Pension. As fit as an Olympic athlete.

That sort of bullshit amongst the Muslim community, and the rest, should be put a stop to very promptly.

I myself witnessed a Yugoslav on a DSP rort for 'bad back' proceed to have 11 children while paying off a McMansion.

It's gone on for long enough.

But what if a a person who was a genuine case lost the DSP?

Better that 10,000 genuine cases lose-out, than one rorter slip through the net. Smiley

Dear Gatto,
You seem to have a hatred for people you've never met.

you are forgiven

with very much love

and so it is

according to the divine plan

namaste

Hatred? Where?

No hate in my post.

A healthy touch of cynicism, yes. But no hatred.

you wrote:

[highlight]Better that 10,000 genuine cases lose-out, than one rorter slip through the net

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forgiven

namaste

And?

Don't you 'get' sarcasm?

Or are you suggesting that I actually feel that way?

I didn't know it was sarcasm & neither did anyone else.

Fair enough.

It's hard to indicate sarcasm without masses of emoticons, which I try to avoid where possible.

No, I don't agree the majority should lose-out because of the actions of a few. I want to see
the few nailed, and the majority left alone.

All good.

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #64 - May 12^th, 2014 at 8:16am

ian wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 7:54am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 6:33am:

Grappler and Austranger, you are both an inspiration. Sounds like you've both had your share of setbacks, but you've beaten the odds and can live happy and fulfilled lives despite your disabilities, good on ya's!

(shame about old sad sack ian who loves to twist the knife in the backs of our battlers)

Abbott would have the same response, if you can crawl to work (that's some non existent work place by the way), you're not disabled.

Inspiration my arse, a couple of self entitled whingers.

Well, no.

Being, myself, in a similar position to Austranger, I cannot agree.

Those like us seldom whinge, and the only 'entitlement' we demand is that of a
modicum of respect for carrying on regardless and NOT whinging or taking what
we're not entitled-to or deserving-of.

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Reply #65 - May 12^th, 2014 at 8:20am

True Blue... wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:04pm:

we have more people on a disability pension than on the welfare pension..

say what????

it just goes to show how many bludgers are ripping off the system and its about time someone took these bludgers to task...

Angry

If moral inhibition is not built into a child from an early age, and by example from the parents, that child will grow up as a pragmatist with no conscience, and who will believe it's only fools who don't take advantage of dishonest opportunities.

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #66 - May 12^th, 2014 at 8:51am

aquascoot wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 7:40am:

Not at all.

Disability Support Pensioners to be included in the community.

How ludicrous that 400,000 people under the age of 45 are "pensioners"
Even more ludicrous that 1/2 are on it for a bad back or depression.

Great post, aqua.

Maintain the rage.

However, there is the problem of where to place these people in the workforce.

Your list of 'can-do's' is notionally correct, but unless the government makes laws to force employers to take on a percentage of the disabled ~ it's never going to happen.

In menial jobs the main criteria is ... speed. They simply want you to power-through whatever it is you're doing, at maximum speed.

That's making beds and tidying up rooms in a hotel, or a courier van service, or making sandwiches for the lunchtime crowds, or doing work on a factory production-line.

The second job I ever had I was fired from because I took care to do a good job, rather than zip through with shoddy work. They want quantity at the end of the day ~ not good craftsmanship.

People with disabilities aren't going to push themselves hard enough to satisfy a boss.

I worked as a Casual at one place where the boss would turn up the speed-dial of the production-line if he thought we weren't stressed out enough. More widgets: more profit.

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Reply #67 - May 12^th, 2014 at 4:59pm

There are over 8,000 ethnic-Australians living 'back home' overseas who are in receipt of the DSP ... and if more than half of them are not on a rort ~ I'll eat my hat.

Bullshit 'compo' rorts and DSP fraud have been a cottage industry ever since the factories and building sites filled up with 'New Australians' from the mid-50's.

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Actually I don't know what the fuss is about people on DSP living overseas is. You are aware that they do not get the full pension but $200 less per fortnight and they do not get concessions on anything nor do they get cheap pharmaceuticals.

Also you can't just leave the country on a DSP if you want! You have to be re accessed for eligibility to keep the DSP and have to have a job capacity assessment too.

It's not all roses and chocolates as most people seem to think it is and it is very hard to get permission granted to move overseas form the Government.

Many people who do apply on the DSP to leave Australia actually get knocked back and lose the pension and end up on newstart.

R.A

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Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified
Reply #68 - May 12^th, 2014 at 5:16pm

Rear Admiral wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

There are over 8,000 ethnic-Australians living 'back home' overseas who are in receipt of the DSP ... and if more than half of them are not on a rort ~ I'll eat my hat.

Bullshit 'compo' rorts and DSP fraud have been a cottage industry ever since the factories and building sites filled up with 'New Australians' from the mid-50's.

Actually I don't know what the fuss is about people on DSP living overseas is. You are aware that they do not get the full pension but $200 less per fortnight and they do not get concessions on anything nor do they get cheap pharmaceuticals.

Also you can't just leave the country on a DSP if you want! You have to be re accessed for eligibility to keep the DSP and have to have a job capacity assessment too.

It's not all roses and chocolates as most people seem to think it is and it is very hard to get permission granted to move overseas form the Government.

Many people who do apply on the DSP to leave Australia actually get knocked back and lose the pension and end up on newstart.

R.A

One would imagine that those on DSP would also be using the health system more than non disabled people. They must be saving this country a fair bit by not using bulk billing and NHS. We should encourage both DSP and aged pensioners to expatriate. It's a win/win situation, they get to live where they are happy and Australia makes savings along the way.

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Reply #69 - May 12^th, 2014 at 5:18pm

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 10:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 11^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

But what if a a person who was a genuine case lost the DSP?

That would be a miscarriage of justice, and we can only hope he or she will have recourse to legal procedures to regain the DSP.

The ones most at risk of losing the DSP are those suffering from mental conditions that are not obvious to the casual observer.

Even psychiatrists are inept at detecting certain psychological problems that are difficult to diagnose.

The first people that the Nazis picked on were those who were retarded or with disabilities.

Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

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Reply #70 - May 12^th, 2014 at 5:22pm

ian wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 7:54am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 6:33am:

Grappler and Austranger, you are both an inspiration. Sounds like you've both had your share of setbacks, but you've beaten the odds and can live happy and fulfilled lives despite your disabilities, good on ya's!

(shame about old sad sack ian who loves to twist the knife in the backs of our battlers)

Abbott would have the same response, if you can crawl to work (that's some non existent work place by the way), you're not disabled.

Inspiration my arse, a couple of self entitled whingers.

Yeah - but unlike you - I've EARNED the right!

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Reply #71 - May 12^th, 2014 at 5:45pm

http://www.fold3.com/page/286019384_nazi_propaganda_against_the_disabled/stories...

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Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.”

July 14, 1933

On July 14, 1933, the Nazi government instituted the “Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.” This law, one of the first steps taken by the Nazis toward their goal of creating an Aryan “master race,” called for the sterilization of all persons who suffered from diseases considered hereditary, such as mental illness, learning disabilities, physical deformity, epilepsy, blindness, deafness, and severe alcoholism. With the law’s passage the Third Reich also stepped up its propaganda against people with disabilities, regularly labeling them “life unworthy of life” or “useless eaters” and highlighting their burden upon society.

Just a few years later, the persecution of people with disabilities escalated even further. In the autumn of 1939, Adolf Hitler secretly authorized a medically administered program of “mercy death” code-named “Operation T4,” in reference to the address of the program’s Berlin headquarters at Tiergartenstrasse 4. Between 1940 and 1941 approximately 70,000 Austrian and German disabled people were killed under the T4 program, most via large-scale killing operations using poison gas. (This methodology served as the precursor to the streamlined extermination methods of the “Final Solution.”) Although Hitler formally ordered a halt to the program in late August 1941, the killings secretly continued until the war’s end, resulting in the murder of an estimated 275,000 people with disabilities.

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Reply #72 - May 12^th, 2014 at 8:08pm

On the Current Affairs tonight they were celebrating the birth of a baby with two faces. Smiles and congratulations. A 'heart-warming' story.

This is how far the Leftwing 'progressives' have taken us down the road to utter lunacy.

The baby was born a monster, but rather than euthanase it for being a grotesquely deficient imitation of a healthy baby, they're going to let it live to be a freak of nature for which it will pay heavily and painfully in the years to come

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Reply #74 - May 12^th, 2014 at 8:56pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 8:08pm:

On the Current Affairs tonight they were celebrating the birth of a baby with two faces. Smiles and congratulations. A 'heart-warming' story.

This is how far the Leftwing 'progressives' have taken us down the road to utter lunacy.

The baby was born a monster, but rather than euthanase it for being a grotesquely deficient imitation of a healthy baby, they're going to let it live to be a freak of nature for which it will pay heavily and painfully in the years to come

You can't hang that on the left-wing, it's the PC "sensitivity" we're all stuck with today, both wings are victims, and occasional opportunistic proponents, of it. Lips Sealed

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