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Reply #75 - May 12^th, 2014 at 9:30pm

austranger wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

You can't hang that on the left-wing, it's the PC "sensitivity" we're all stuck with today, both wings are victims, and occasional opportunistic proponents, of it. Lips Sealed

I accept your ... Oh, hang on, that was another post. Cool

Leftwing. All this modern crawling to minorities, and celebrating 'difference', and pandering to counter-intuitive nonsense is entirely the product of New Age thinking.

I think you owe me an apology for doubting me in the first place.

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Reply #76 - May 12^th, 2014 at 9:33pm

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 5:45pm:

http://www.fold3.com/page/286019384_nazi_propaganda_against_the_disabled/stories...

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Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.”

July 14, 1933

On July 14, 1933, the Nazi government instituted the “Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.” This law, one of the first steps taken by the Nazis toward their goal of creating an Aryan “master race,” called for the sterilization of all persons who suffered from diseases considered hereditary, such as mental illness, learning disabilities, physical deformity, epilepsy, blindness, deafness, and severe alcoholism. With the law’s passage the Third Reich also stepped up its propaganda against people with disabilities, regularly labeling them “life unworthy of life” or “useless eaters” and highlighting their burden upon society.

Just a few years later, the persecution of people with disabilities escalated even further. In the autumn of 1939, Adolf Hitler secretly authorized a medically administered program of “mercy death” code-named “Operation T4,” in reference to the address of the program’s Berlin headquarters at Tiergartenstrasse 4. Between 1940 and 1941 approximately 70,000 Austrian and German disabled people were killed under the T4 program, most via large-scale killing operations using poison gas. (This methodology served as the precursor to the streamlined extermination methods of the “Final Solution.”) Although Hitler formally ordered a halt to the program in late August 1941, the killings secretly continued until the war’s end, resulting in the murder of an estimated 275,000 people with disabilities.

History always repeats.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103841 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified Reply #77 - May 12^th, 2014 at 9:34pm the Third Reich also stepped up its propaganda against people with disabilities, regularly labeling them “life unworthy of life” or “useless eaters” and highlighting their burden upon society.
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Reply #78 - May 12^th, 2014 at 9:55pm

Kat wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 8:16am:

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Being, myself, in a similar position to Austranger, I cannot agree.

Those like us seldom whinge, and the only 'entitlement' we demand is that of a
modicum of respect for carrying on regardless and NOT whinging or taking what
we're not entitled-to or deserving-of.

For people who seldom whinge; these 2 are doing a remarkable job of detailing their entire list of lifetime injuries and disabilites and also every single tiny pain they have ever experienced in just about every thread. No one is going to give you any respect for your in injuries, neither should you expect it, get on with your life and stop looking for sympathy and entitlement. You are entitled to exactly nothing in this life.

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Reply #79 - May 12^th, 2014 at 9:57pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

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Yeah - but unlike you - I've EARNED the right!

ah but you dont know that do you? For all you know I may very well have experienced more hardship and suffering than you, the difference is I just get on with it and expect nothing. No one earns the right to entitlement. You think my attitude comes from lack of hardship or suffering? Quite the opposite.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103841 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified Reply #80 - May 12^th, 2014 at 10:30pm Quote: No one earns the right to entitlement I have paid for others to get the pension through my taxes therefore I feel entitled to get a pension myself. Same as if I developed a disability.
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Reply #81 - May 12^th, 2014 at 10:38pm

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

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No one earns the right to entitlement

I have paid for others to get the pension through my taxes
therefore I feel entitled to get a pension myself.

Same as if I developed a disability.

incorrect, social security is a safety net, not an entitlement. You are entitled to nothing.

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Reply #82 - May 12^th, 2014 at 10:48pm

ian wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

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No one earns the right to entitlement

I have paid for others to get the pension through my taxes
therefore I feel entitled to get a pension myself.

Same as if I developed a disability.

incorrect, social security is a safety net, not an entitlement. You are entitled to nothing.

Wrong.

If you fit the criteria and are eligible, an entitlement is precisely what it is.

You're welcome to believe otherwise, but that won't make you any more correct.

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Reply #83 - May 12^th, 2014 at 11:01pm

Kat wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:48pm:

ian wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

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No one earns the right to entitlement

I have paid for others to get the pension through my taxes
therefore I feel entitled to get a pension myself.

Same as if I developed a disability.

incorrect, social security is a safety net, not an entitlement. You are entitled to nothing.

Wrong.

If you fit the criteria and are eligible, an entitlement is precisely what it is.

You're welcome to believe otherwise, but that won't make you any more correct.

I always thought of my taxes as a kind of insurance policy.

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Reply #84 - May 12^th, 2014 at 11:07pm

Kat wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:48pm:

ian wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

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No one earns the right to entitlement

I have paid for others to get the pension through my taxes
therefore I feel entitled to get a pension myself.

Same as if I developed a disability.

incorrect, social security is a safety net, not an entitlement. You are entitled to nothing.

Wrong.

If you fit the criteria and are eligible, an entitlement is precisely what it is.

You're welcome to believe otherwise, but that won't make you any more correct.

Its not my belief, its fact. No one pays into any social security fund or plan, it is a safety net, not an entitlement. fact.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified Reply #85 - May 12^th, 2014 at 11:08pm Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 11:01pm: I always thought of my taxes as a kind of insurance policy. Really? Show which part of government legislation states that.
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Reply #86 - May 12^th, 2014 at 11:10pm

      I've been having a bad day today, so I've been sitting here reading through various threads to distract myself.
   This one in particular has enlightened me, although others have confirmed it.
   This "Ian" likes to play "Devils Advocate", in a nasty, amateurish (perchance childish?) manner, he takes contrary points, he regularly casts insults and slurs left, right, and centre.
      Why is this allowed to continue? I thought personal abuse was unacceptable here?
      Either which, from this point on I'm going to totally ignore any post he makes, and I suggest others do the same, he makes NO serious contribution to any discussion he enters and merely seeks to provoke a reaction, let's starve him of the attention he so obviously seeks?
   Perhaps needs?

   When children behave like this the best answer is to ignore them till they give up and start to behave reasonably, perhaps that approach will work with this one too?
   So, it begins now, in every and any thread, and I invite everyone else to join me. Cool

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103841 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Disability Support Pensioners to be crucified Reply #87 - May 12^th, 2014 at 11:13pm ian wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 11:08pm: Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 11:01pm: I always thought of my taxes as a kind of insurance policy. Really? Show which part of government legislation states that. I can't - it's the theory behind it in my eyes. You'd have to read Hansard.
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Reply #88 - May 12^th, 2014 at 11:18pm

Austranger, I would suggest that those who cannot accept criticism display the childish behaviour. You attempt to portray yourself to be a wise individual but the opposite is the case, you display the charm of an embittered ego challenged old man with all the characteristics of a schoolyard bully who encourages others to exclude anyone who doesnt pander to their ego or conform to their views. Try growing up, theres still time. Im also not responsible for your lack of intellectual capacity, you have had plenty of years to learn how to acquire knowledge, the fact you still dont know how reflects on you, not me.

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Reply #89 - May 12^th, 2014 at 11:19pm

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 11:13pm:

ian wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 11:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

I always thought of my taxes as a kind of insurance policy.

Really? Show which part of government legislation states that.

I can't - it's the theory behind it in my eyes.

You'd have to read Hansard.

That is not the theory behind paying taxes.

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