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Reply #90 - May 12th, 2014 at 11:30pm
 
poor old Austranger, hes probably hunched over his PC with his bottom lip quivering. Heres the man who was telling us how tough he was by facing up to cage fighters and the scum of society in real life , fighting off bandits and knife wielding assassins (and winning). I  must be a scary internet dude because hes now scared of me. Lol, big Lol.
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Reply #91 - May 12th, 2014 at 11:44pm
 
Yeah - well.. it seems a lot of genuine disability pensioners - which are about 99.9%, look like copping it to satisfy the redneck fringe with their jumped-up ideas of their own importance.

Chasing a few cheap votes from fools you wouldn't listen to in a pub rabbiting on about 'them bludgers', etc....

Let 'em eat cake I say.  Had me a neighbour like that.. true hero of the yob class .. hated dole bludgers and so forth proclaiming far and wide how they 'ripped off' the system...

He was fond of doing cash-in-hand jobs..... no tax and pulling the dole .. his missus ended up leaving him and he lost a hell of a lot - had to go on a pension when his health broke down.

Shoulda slipped himself the hemlock...  oh .. I forgot.. HE worked for that pension... nobody else did!!

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Reply #92 - May 13th, 2014 at 12:02am
 
ian wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 11:30pm:
poor old Austranger, hes probably hunched over his PC with his bottom lip quivering. Heres the man who was telling us how tough he was by facing up to cage fighters and the scum of society in real life , fighting off bandits and knife wielding assassins (and winning). I  must be a scary internet dude because hes now scared of me. Lol, big Lol.


You keep believing your own publicity... Every time you look in the mirror wondering why you're so lonely.

I bet you don't have haemorrhoids either.... You're a perfect a#!*.

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Reply #93 - May 13th, 2014 at 12:10am
 
Gnads wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 12:02am:
ian wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 11:30pm:
poor old Austranger, hes probably hunched over his PC with his bottom lip quivering. Heres the man who was telling us how tough he was by facing up to cage fighters and the scum of society in real life , fighting off bandits and knife wielding assassins (and winning). I  must be a scary internet dude because hes now scared of me. Lol, big Lol.


You keep believing your own publicity... Every time you look in the mirror wondering why you're so lonely.

I bet you don't have haemorrhoids either.... You're a perfect a#!*.


Awww, another poster who cant handle criticism.  Poor liddle boy.
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Reply #94 - May 13th, 2014 at 12:10am
 
I have never been on any govt pension or allowance myself but know of 2 in my extended family who are on the disability pension and both are very genuine.
Both had to jump through quite a few hoops to qualify.
The first (a brother in law) was in a car accident where he sustained brain damage as well as physical injuries which mean he can't talk or walk properly.
The second, my brother, only went on this pension a few weeks ago because he has terminal lung/brain/liver cancer. Unless you know someone who has cancer or who has undergone radiation/chemo, you may not realise how frail they are, walking and talking are difficult, and with brain tumours, they affect things such as balance and co-ordination. My brother has trouble even with a knife and fork these days and 5 minutes on his feet exhausts him,
There is no way he could work.

So there are a lot of genuine cases out there, but I would have no objection to the govt tightening up the qualifications so that only people with serious ailments were on it. And there would be no harm in people having to face regular re-assessment, if their condition is one that can improve.

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Reply #95 - May 13th, 2014 at 12:13am
 
sherri wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 12:10am:


So there are a lot of genuine cases out there, but I would have no objection to the govt tightening up the qualifications so that only people with serious ailments were on it. And there would be no harm in people having to face regular re-assessment, if their condition is one that can improve.


Correct, genuine cases have little to fear about being reassessed. makes me wonder why some are screaming so loud.
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Reply #96 - May 13th, 2014 at 4:54am
 
ian wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 12:13am:
sherri wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 12:10am:


So there are a lot of genuine cases out there, but I would have no objection to the govt tightening up the qualifications so that only people with serious ailments were on it. And there would be no harm in people having to face regular re-assessment, if their condition is one that can improve.


Correct, genuine cases have little to fear about being reassessed. makes me wonder why some are screaming so loud.


Ha ha - was talking with the C'Link lass the other day about whether to stay on Disability or go on Aged etc.. she said a good reason to go on Aged was that The Guv (touch/tug forelock) was changing the way of determining disability payments and Aged was easier.... and had no reviews.

Been there, done that, and the reviews are worth nothing.... if you are a genuine case.

So this cuts both ways - this is the usual scare campaign to terrorise people who have little to live on; and it is overblown - as usual - to achieve that scare level.  It's called 'terrorism' - read up on the way that runs by intimidating a large number by attacking a small number.

Also I read somewhere that the idea was to try to re-train etc younger people on disability... not such a bad idea IF they are not persecuted as well when there are no jobs.

Now - about linking any politician rises to the same level of calculation as pensions and wages again..... retrospective  to say 1984?   Easy figures to do.....take five minutes to work out and no time at all to send them all an overpayment notice - recoup through tax system or asset grab using the sheriff.

To quote a Vanstone - if they are unable to pay their overpaid salary/perks debt, they'll just have to sell their homes!

Now ask me again why an idiot who said that about pensioners and Centrelink should be paid out of my taxes to sit on her fat asset on a worthless 'commission of audit' that achieved not one good thing....

There is definitely something in the water in Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia, and probably everywhere else here in Oz - you only need to look at the clown show that people keep electing to fat office and what those people do and say when in and out of office.... and some people love them!!!
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Reply #97 - May 13th, 2014 at 6:34am
 
ian wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 11:19pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 11:13pm:
ian wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 11:08pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 11:01pm:


I always thought of my taxes as a kind of insurance policy.


Really? Show which part of government legislation states that.



I can't - it's the theory behind it in my eyes.

You'd have to read Hansard.

That is not the theory behind paying taxes.


Not really - you know that you have paid taxes all your life so that old people are
protected from poverty - that makes you feel good about paying those taxes &
you also expect to be looked after when you're old.

The same for those who have developed disabilities.

That is why people feel entitled.
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Reply #98 - May 13th, 2014 at 6:59am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 7:18am:
it_is_the_light wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 5:59am:
many blessings

all continues to be exposed yes

keep voting for slavery if that would please you

all have freewill

so be it

namaste



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Very true master Light,


http://www.fold3.com/page/286019384_nazi_propaganda_against_the_disabled/stories...

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Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.”

July 14, 1933

On July 14, 1933, the Nazi government instituted the “Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.” This law, one of the first steps taken by the Nazis toward their goal of creating an Aryan “master race,” called for the sterilization of all persons who suffered from diseases considered hereditary, such as mental illness, learning disabilities, physical deformity, epilepsy, blindness, deafness, and severe alcoholism. With the law’s passage the Third Reich also stepped up its propaganda against people with disabilities, regularly labeling them “life unworthy of life” or “useless eaters” and highlighting their burden upon society.

Just a few years later, the persecution of people with disabilities escalated even further. In the autumn of 1939, Adolf Hitler secretly authorized a medically administered program of “mercy death” code-named “Operation T4,” in reference to the address of the program’s Berlin headquarters at Tiergartenstrasse 4. Between 1940 and 1941 approximately 70,000 Austrian and German disabled people were killed under the T4 program, most via large-scale killing operations using poison gas. (This methodology served as the precursor to the streamlined extermination methods of the “Final Solution.”) Although Hitler formally ordered a halt to the program in late August 1941, the killings secretly continued until the war’s end, resulting in the murder of an estimated 275,000 people with disabilities.


Notice how our friend master Light is always on the money?


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Reply #99 - May 13th, 2014 at 7:46am
 
ian wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 9:55pm:
For people who seldom whinge; these 2 are doing a remarkable job of detailing their entire list of lifetime injuries and disabilites and also every single tiny pain they have ever experienced in just about every thread.


Grin Grin Grin

Come on, Ian - be fair!

They've only ever informed us of their various infirmities in context with the topics in question, and to let us know they have first-hand experience of the system and what it entails, and I haven't detected the slightest hint of them wanting to solicit us for sympathy.

I think you owe them an apology.





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Reply #100 - May 13th, 2014 at 7:50am
 
ian wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 11:07pm:
Kat wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 10:48pm:
ian wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 10:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 10:30pm:
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No one earns the right to entitlement


I have paid for others to get the pension through my taxes
therefore I feel entitled to get a pension myself.

Same as if I developed a disability.

incorrect, social security is a safety net, not an entitlement. You are entitled to nothing.


Wrong.

If you fit the criteria and are eligible, an entitlement is precisely what it is.

You're welcome to believe otherwise, but that won't make you any more correct.
Its not my belief, its fact. No one pays into any social security fund or plan, it is a safety net, not an entitlement. fact.



It's nothing of the kind.

If you are eligible for (in other words, entitled to) something, it's an entitlement.

No matter how much you wish it otherwise.
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Reply #101 - May 13th, 2014 at 7:55am
 
Hi Bobby,

That Nazi pic..............is that Scott Morrison on the far left of frame?
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Reply #102 - May 13th, 2014 at 7:56am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 7:46am:
ian wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 9:55pm:
For people who seldom whinge; these 2 are doing a remarkable job of detailing their entire list of lifetime injuries and disabilites and also every single tiny pain they have ever experienced in just about every thread.


Grin Grin Grin

Come on, Ian - be fair!

They've only ever informed us of their various infirmities in context with the topics in question, and to let us know they have first-hand experience of the system and what it entails, and I haven't detected the slightest hint of them wanting to solicit us for sympathy.

I think you owe them an apology.







I'm sure he does.
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Reply #103 - May 13th, 2014 at 7:56am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 7:55am:
Hi Bobby,

That Nazi pic..............is that Scott Morrison on the far left of frame?



I believe it's Mr Himmler.
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Reply #104 - May 13th, 2014 at 7:56am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 12th, 2014 at 10:30pm:
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No one earns the right to entitlement


I have paid for others to get the pension through my taxes
therefore I feel entitled to get a pension myself.

Same as if I developed a disability.


Correct.

What goes around, comes around.

Then, it was our duty to finance the needs of the Welfare Benefits Teat Sucklings ~ and now that we ourselves have gown old and infirm and have become sucklings of these very same taxation-funded tits, it's our turn to be carried aloft in comfort by the litter-bearers of the tax-paying employed.  Smiley
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