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Re: Dear Gandalf
Reply #90 - May 18th, 2014 at 12:05am
 
Men are generally the perpetrators of rape or pederism. So the onus will more often than not be on the man to prove his innocence. That's why theres a grey area in Australias carnal knowledge laws. No such grey area in islam, is there? All you have to do is remove the nappy, right Ayatolla?
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Reply #91 - May 18th, 2014 at 8:56am
 
True Colours wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 12:46pm:
moses wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 11:03am:
12 years old?

Aisha was 6, and according to muslims, was psychologically and physically mature enough to enter into a matrimonial contract with muhammad


This is incorrect.

In Islamic law any contract, such as marriage, can only be entered into by adults.

The marriage does not become valid until both parties reach adulthood.




Talmudic Judaism, on the other hand, permits sex with 3 year-old girls.




Christianity doesn't even seem to have an age of consent at all. Perhaps this is why it in some cases it is legal to have sex with a girl has not even reached puberty in Australia today. No marriage, no puberty, but legal! Christian values eh?

Christians have been all over the place on the age of consent. Just look at the US:

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In 1880, the age of consent was 10 in most states but ranged from 7 in Delaware to 12 across nine states and the District of Columbia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America


In the Vatican it was legal to have sex with a girl or boy who had not reached puberty until just last year!

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/vatican-city-raises-age-consent-12-18-followi...


Would you mind citing the verses where Muhammed establishes an age of consent?

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 7:43pm:
hazy123 wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 5:56pm:
Teenagers with teenagers, Karnal. Not middle aged men with teenagers. (And  im not talking SEVENTEEEN or even SIXTEEN). Im talking a very middle aged Mo with a 9 year old girl. Clear enough, Karnal.


I’m glad you clarified that, Hazy. You might want to inform FD, Y and the old boy.

They’re under the impression that underage defacto partnerships of largely Aboriginal youth represent an epidemic of Muslim child marriage.

Don’t tell FD though - he’ll call you a paedophile.


Youa re the one calling for pedophilia to be legalised Karnal, not me.
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Reply #92 - May 18th, 2014 at 12:53pm
 
You see? FD thinks kids having sex is paedophilia. He thinks jurisdictions like New Zealand,  Canada and some US states have legalized paedophilia by having sliding age scales in their sexual consent laws.

He’s also under the strange impression that most of them are Muslims.

I blame Muhammed (peace be upon him).
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Reply #93 - May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm
 
freediver wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 8:56am:
True Colours wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 12:46pm:
moses wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 11:03am:
12 years old?

Aisha was 6, and according to muslims, was psychologically and physically mature enough to enter into a matrimonial contract with muhammad


This is incorrect.

In Islamic law any contract, such as marriage, can only be entered into by adults.

The marriage does not become valid until both parties reach adulthood.


Talmudic Judaism, on the other hand, permits sex with 3 year-old girls.




Christianity doesn't even seem to have an age of consent at all. Perhaps this is why it in some cases it is legal to have sex with a girl has not even reached puberty in Australia today. No marriage, no puberty, but legal! Christian values eh?

Christians have been all over the place on the age of consent. Just look at the US:

Quote:
In 1880, the age of consent was 10 in most states but ranged from 7 in Delaware to 12 across nine states and the District of Columbia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America


In the Vatican it was legal to have sex with a girl or boy who had not reached puberty until just last year!

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/vatican-city-raises-age-consent-12-18-followi...


Would you mind citing the verses where Muhammed establishes an age of consent?


I could post he evidence but it is quite complicated, and I doubt that you would understand it so here is a brief summary.


Islam orders the prevention of harm or injury to innocents. Thereby, Islam prohibits sexual conduct that would be injurious - not having sex with a child would be included in this principle.



When it comes to Islam sex outside of marriage is viewed as forbidden. Therefore consent is only given in the context of marriage.

In Islam, marriage is a contract.

However, the marriage contract is sealed by the consummation of the marriage, so that the marriage contract remains in a suspended state until the consummation. The consummated marriage has different legal status to the unconsummated marriage - this is a big difference to Australian custom which places little emphasis on the legal status of consummation or pre-consumptual marriage.

When it comes to marriage, Islam technically permits the contract to in effect be drawn up when either party is a child. But that contract does not come into full effect until later at the time of consummation.

In Islam, a contract is only valid between two consenting adulthood parties. Therefore, a marriage contract can only be sealed with consummation when both parties have achieved adulthood. The marriage in Islam is only considered valid if there is consent.

In Islamic contract law, an adult agent can act on behalf of a child in order to give consent to a contract in normal business transactions. However, marriage is different because the consent of the bride has been stipulated as necessary to validate the contract:

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  "A previously married woman cannot be married until her order is sought and a virgin cannot be married until her permission is sought.

- Bukhari



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"...a virgin girl came to the Prophet [peace and blessings of God upon him] and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet gave her the choice (of whether to annul the marriage)."

- Abu Dawood, et al.


Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent?

The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults.

Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures.
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Reply #94 - May 18th, 2014 at 4:12pm
 
Would you mind citing the verses where Muhammed establishes an age of consent?

Won't happen.


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Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent?

The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults.

Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures.

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Lots of words there and no proof at all.
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Reply #95 - May 18th, 2014 at 5:45pm
 
True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm:
When it comes to Islam sex outside of marriage is viewed as forbidden.


Unless you are from Pakistan and have relocated to the UK, then you can gang rape the white kufre girl!

True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm:
However, the marriage contract is sealed by the consummation of the marriage


By having sex with a nine year old!

True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm:
But that contract does not come into full effect until later at the time of consummation.


Read "rape of a minor"!

True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm:
an adult agent can act on behalf of a child in order to give consent to a contract in normal business transactions. However, marriage is different because the consent of the bride has been stipulated as necessary to validate the contract:


Read " enter a child into slavery"!

True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm:
The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults


A nine year old adult? Read sick bastard!

True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm:
Islamic scholars


Don't make me laugh you sick paedo!


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Reply #96 - May 18th, 2014 at 5:53pm
 
Hear Hear
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Reply #97 - May 18th, 2014 at 7:06pm
 
One of the greatest Islamic scholars of the 20th century Sheikh Ibn al-Uthaymeen was asked about the issue of marriage, and said that marriage should not take place until a girl reaches adulthood, and then she must give her consent to the marriage taking place.

The prophet of Islam told Muslims to marry women of child-bearing age:

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‘Marry reproductive, maternal/loving women...."

Abu Dawood, An-Nasaa'i, Ahmed & Ibn Hibban)


Other Saudi scholars such as Sheikh Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid said that consummation of a marriage should be delayed even adulthood where the woman was not physically ready.
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Reply #98 - May 18th, 2014 at 7:14pm
 
Where for art thou Gandalf.

We desireth thoust presence most urgent.

An affliction has besotted this most noble forum, to whit the kufre have gained control of the chicken coop.

Have you decided its time to practise ("walkabout") if so very poor judgement in my opinion.

We need you here, blasphemy is taking place on this most noblest of places.

Heads Must Roll!
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Reply #99 - May 18th, 2014 at 7:34pm
 
True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
One of the greatest Islamic scholars of the 20th century Sheikh Ibn al-Uthaymeen



Mo was the Perfect Man what does this pervert Sheikh Ibn al-Uthaymeen know about Truth?

True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
marriage should not take place until a girl reaches adulthood,


Just let me consult Hey Dad on that 10 year point.

True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
The prophet of Islam told Muslims to marry women of child-bearing age



Then why the EF did he marry a 9 yr old???????

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Reply #100 - May 18th, 2014 at 7:47pm
 
The only restriction on muslims having sex with little girls is to not cause permanent damage. If that happens the man is responsible for the girl forthe rest of her life. Sort of unfortunate for the well endowed muslim who likes to pound infants, eh? Like the ayatolla!!!


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Reply #101 - May 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm
 
True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm:
Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent?

The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults.

Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures.



You bvggers (and I use the term advisedly, bvggery being a wide-spread Arabic practice) are making it up as you go!!! Grin Grin Grin

Islam in the "Arab/African context"? "Raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures"??





Google: Taqiyya.

Further study:

Citing his desire for "martyrdom and the virgins of paradise," one jihadi, (possibly al-Asiri himself) asked another sheikh, "Is it permissible for me to let one of the jihadi brothers sodomize me to widen my anus if the intention is good?"

After praising Allah, the sheikh's fatwa began by declaring that sodomy is forbidden in Islam,

However, jihad comes first, for it is the pinnacle of Islam, and if the pinnacle of Islam can only be achieved through sodomy, then there is no wrong in it. For the overarching rule of [Islamic] jurisprudence asserts that "necessity makes permissible the prohibited." And if obligatory matters can only be achieved by performing the prohibited, then it becomes obligatory to perform the prohibited, and there is no greater duty than jihad. After he sodomizes you, you must ask Allah for forgiveness and praise him all the more. And know that Allah will reward the jihadis on the Day of Resurrection, according to their intentions—and your intention, Allah willing, is for the victory of Islam, and we ask that Allah accept it of you.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3158/islam-sodomy

Dirty, murderous arse-bandits.

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Reply #102 - May 18th, 2014 at 8:46pm
 
Soren wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
Google: Taqiyya.


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The term taqiyya does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya




Quote:
Sunni Islam is the largest branch of Islam...Sunni Islam is the world's largest religious body[1] and largest religious denomination for any religion in the world. Sunni Islam is sometimes referred to as the orthodox version of the religion...

...A study conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2010 and released January 2011[8] found that there are 1.62 billion Muslims around the world, and it is estimated that the Sunni population is between 75% and 90%..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni_Islam
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Reply #103 - May 18th, 2014 at 8:56pm
 
Soren wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm:
Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent?

The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults.

Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures.



You bvggers (and I use the term advisedly, bvggery being a wide-spread Arabic practice) are making it up as you go!!! Grin Grin Grin

Islam in the "Arab/African context"? "Raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures"??





Google: Taqiyya.

Further study:

Citing his desire for "martyrdom and the virgins of paradise," one jihadi, (possibly al-Asiri himself) asked another sheikh, "Is it permissible for me to let one of the jihadi brothers sodomize me to widen my anus if the intention is good?"

After praising Allah, the sheikh's fatwa began by declaring that sodomy is forbidden in Islam,

However, jihad comes first, for it is the pinnacle of Islam, and if the pinnacle of Islam can only be achieved through sodomy, then there is no wrong in it. For the overarching rule of [Islamic] jurisprudence asserts that "necessity makes permissible the prohibited." And if obligatory matters can only be achieved by performing the prohibited, then it becomes obligatory to perform the prohibited, and there is no greater duty than jihad. After he sodomizes you, you must ask Allah for forgiveness and praise him all the more. And know that Allah will reward the jihadis on the Day of Resurrection, according to their intentions—and your intention, Allah willing, is for the victory of Islam, and we ask that Allah accept it of you.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3158/islam-sodomy

Dirty, murderous arse-bandits.



Dirty!

So says a dear who eats his own stool.

Miam miam.

Rich tapestry, innit. Muselmen, old boy Huns...

And they blame.multiculturalism.

No no, I blame Islam. Their arse bandits steal sub-quality stool.
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Reply #104 - May 18th, 2014 at 9:06pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 8:56pm:
Soren wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 8:16pm:
True Colours wrote on May 18th, 2014 at 4:05pm:
Islam has rules about testimony being valid from adults. Therefore how can a child give their consent?

The completion of the contract through its consummation can only be fulfilled by two consenting adults.

Islamic scholars have set the default age for adulthood at 14 years in the Arab/African context, although this may be raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures.



You bvggers (and I use the term advisedly, bvggery being a wide-spread Arabic practice) are making it up as you go!!! Grin Grin Grin

Islam in the "Arab/African context"? "Raised to 15 in European or Asian cultures"??





Google: Taqiyya.

Further study:

Citing his desire for "martyrdom and the virgins of paradise," one jihadi, (possibly al-Asiri himself) asked another sheikh, "Is it permissible for me to let one of the jihadi brothers sodomize me to widen my anus if the intention is good?"

After praising Allah, the sheikh's fatwa began by declaring that sodomy is forbidden in Islam,

However, jihad comes first, for it is the pinnacle of Islam, and if the pinnacle of Islam can only be achieved through sodomy, then there is no wrong in it. For the overarching rule of [Islamic] jurisprudence asserts that "necessity makes permissible the prohibited." And if obligatory matters can only be achieved by performing the prohibited, then it becomes obligatory to perform the prohibited, and there is no greater duty than jihad. After he sodomizes you, you must ask Allah for forgiveness and praise him all the more. And know that Allah will reward the jihadis on the Day of Resurrection, according to their intentions—and your intention, Allah willing, is for the victory of Islam, and we ask that Allah accept it of you.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3158/islam-sodomy

Dirty, murderous arse-bandits.



Dirty!

So says a dear who eats his own stool.

Miam miam.

Rich tapestry, innit. Muselmen, old boy Huns...

And they blame.multiculturalism.

No no, I blame Islam. Their arse bandits steal sub-quality stool.



Yes, well i think we might need to ask Freud about all this as well.
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