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Dear Gandalf
May 12^th, 2014 at 12:40pm

Is it a Muslim thing, was it embedded at the conception of Islam, maybe imported from a Pagan ritual or just passed down father to son, is it even a manly thing to do?

I have pondered this long and hard and as yet fail to grasp the meaning of this. Did Allah command him, is it an Hadith in the Holy Koran maybe.

It is over my comprehension ability I am afraid to say. Alack alas my logical thought process has failed me, so I turn to you for advise clarification and support.

Why did the perfect man (pub upon him) suck his adopted Grandsons penis's and stick his tongue down their throats?
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/03/grandpa-muhammad.html

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Re: Dear Gandalf
Reply #1 - May 12^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Why did the perfect man [Mohammed] (pub upon him) suck his adopted Grandsons penis's and stick his tongue down their throats?

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/03/grandpa-muhammad.html

adamant,

You are very, very naughty! Tongue

You must not associate moslems, with the behaviour of Mohammed.

adamant,

I disagree that Mohammed was a moslem.

Many moslems claim that he was a moslem, but logically, them saying he was, doesn't make Mohammed a moslem. Tongue

Even if one takes the view that Mohammed was the messenger of Allah, that does not make Mohammed representative of Islam as a whole. Tongue

adamant,

Why do you continue to associate the behaviour of Mohammed, with other people, peaceful moslems ? Tongue

Are you a bigot or something ? Tongue

Boko Haram: Operation Pouty face.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1399594141/35#35
Quote:

[Schu....]
I disagree that Boko Haram is an Islamic group.

They claim to be, but them saying it doesn't make it so.

Even if one takes the view that they are an Islamic group that does not make them representative of Islam as a whole.

adamant,

When are you anti-moslem bigots going to understand!!!!!

Moslems are not moslems. Tongue

The moslems are just a community of peace loving people, who just happen to refer to themselves as being 'moslem'.

And they only follow ISLAM [.....the religion that only promotes peace and harmony]. Tongue

Not Boko Haram!

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A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain
, has declared on its website;

Quote:

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent.

There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith.

The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace.

It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

"[ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

Honest!

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SERIOUSLY.......

Schu, and others,

Until you are prepared to acknowledge and accept the truth about ISLAM, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

These violent atrocities, opportunistically carried out around the world, by moslems, will continue. [........with local moslems insisting that, ISLAM is being misrepresented by a 'the tiny minority of extremists']

And one day, these violent atrocities will come to 'our door'.

Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Who is a moslem ???

Again, a moslem is a follower - of ISLAM.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #2 - May 12^th, 2014 at 1:45pm Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:40pm: I have pondered this long and hard I seriously doubt that.
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Re: Dear Gandalf
Reply #3 - May 12^th, 2014 at 1:55pm

Yadda wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

When are you anti-moslem bigots going to understand!!!!!

Moslems are not moslems. Tongue

The moslems are just a community of peace loving people, who just happen to refer to themselves as being 'moslem'.

POSTSCRIPT;

And just you bigots take note;

Nuffin' has got nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'....

Except that ISLAM,

"....promotes peace and harmony."

Honest!

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Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google it.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Tongue sucking/penis kissing ahadith
Reply #4 - May 12^th, 2014 at 2:03pm

Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Is it a Muslim thing, was it embedded at the conception of Islam, maybe imported from a Pagan ritual or just passed down father to son, is it even a manly thing to do?

I have pondered this long and hard and as yet fail to grasp the meaning of this. Did Allah command him, is it an Hadith in the Holy Koran maybe.

It is over my comprehension ability I am afraid to say. Alack alas my logical thought process has failed me, so I turn to you for advise clarification and support.

Why did the perfect man (pub upon him) suck his adopted Grandsons penis's and stick his tongue down their throats?
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/03/grandpa-muhammad.html

It doesnt say he sucked it he says he kissed it,lets even assume the story the story/hadith is very weak and is narrated in hadith not the Koran.

Didnt you ever play with your kids adamant?

I myself suck my kids tounges when i play with them and let my young kids suck my toungue. Im not saying a do it everyday or every week, but sometimes i do it on rare occasions just to play with my kids.Its all play and dont do it for sexual pleasure.

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Re: Dear Gandalf
Reply #6 - May 12^th, 2014 at 2:35pm

Yadda wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Why did the perfect man [Mohammed] (pub upon him) suck his adopted Grandsons penis's and stick his tongue down their throats?

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/03/grandpa-muhammad.html

adamant,

You are very, very naughty! Tongue

You must not associate moslems, with the behaviour of Mohammed.

adamant,

I disagree that Mohammed was a moslem.

Many moslems claim that he was a moslem, but logically, them saying he was, doesn't make Mohammed a moslem. Tongue

Even if one takes the view that Mohammed was the messenger of Allah, that does not make Mohammed representative of Islam as a whole. Tongue

adamant,

Why do you continue to associate the behaviour of Mohammed, with other people, peaceful moslems ? Tongue

Are you a bigot or something ? Tongue

Boko Haram: Operation Pouty face.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1399594141/35#35
Quote:

[Schu....]
I disagree that Boko Haram is an Islamic group.

They claim to be, but them saying it doesn't make it so.

Even if one takes the view that they are an Islamic group that does not make them representative of Islam as a whole.

adamant,

When are you anti-moslem bigots going to understand!!!!!

Moslems are not moslems. Tongue

The moslems are just a community of peace loving people, who just happen to refer to themselves as being 'moslem'.

And they only follow ISLAM [.....the religion that only promotes peace and harmony]. Tongue

Not Boko Haram!

+++

A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain
, has declared on its website;

Quote:

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent.

There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith.

The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace.

It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

"[ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

Honest!

+++

SERIOUSLY.......

Schu, and others,

Until you are prepared to acknowledge and accept the truth about ISLAM, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

These violent atrocities, opportunistically carried out around the world, by moslems, will continue. [........with local moslems insisting that, ISLAM is being misrepresented by a 'the tiny minority of extremists']

And one day, these violent atrocities will come to 'our door'.

Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Who is a moslem ???

Again, a moslem is a follower - of ISLAM.

Prophet Mohamed is more virtous than prophet jesus.

Mohamed was a prophet and messenger, went to the seven levels of heaven, a warrior, got married, had kids and grandkids, was a teacher, friend, mentor, judge, scholar, did miracles, built a massive empire, won and lost wars, had more followers, forseen the future, worked with his hands and so on and so on.

Compare that to jesus, walked around preaching about God but acomplished no land, won no war, didnt get married or have kids, hardly had followers, yeah he did few miracles here and there.

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Re: Dear Gandalf
Reply #7 - May 12^th, 2014 at 3:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

I seriously doubt that

I did Honist injun! Any answer for said religious practise?

Yadda wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Are you a bigot or something ?

Yadda shurely you know by now I am veritably the epiphany of truth!

wally1 wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

I myself suck my kids tounges when i play with them and let my young kids suck my toungue.

No, never felt the urge to suck my kids genitals or give them tongueee. Is it a Muslim thingey. Sicko.

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Re: Dear Gandalf
Reply #8 - May 12^th, 2014 at 3:23pm

Firstly, the penis kissing hadith is a known weak hadith, and as far as I'm concerned a fake - one of many thousands (literally) of fabricated ahadith to denigrate The Prophet.

Secondly tongue sucking was apparently a common practice amongst the Bedouin to keep babies hydrated in the desert.

Also, I could have sworn I modified the subject of this thread... Undecided

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #9 - May 12^th, 2014 at 3:34pm polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 3:23pm: Also, I could have sworn I modified the subject of this thread... Mea Culpa Gandalf. I cannot deny the aforementioned crime of returning the thread to its original name!
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #10 - May 12^th, 2014 at 3:35pm Penis licking. Gandalf?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #11 - May 12^th, 2014 at 3:47pm Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 3:35pm: Penis licking. Gandalf? There is no mention of that anywhere I can find.
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #12 - May 12^th, 2014 at 4:03pm polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 3:47pm: Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 3:35pm: Penis licking. Gandalf? There is no mention of that anywhere I can find. Will you Please refrain from deleting my Response to others as it is extremely nauseating. I thank you in Advance!
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #13 - May 12^th, 2014 at 4:40pm Adamant wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 4:03pm: Will you Please refrain from deleting my Response to others as it is extremely nauseating. I deleted the entire exchange - your post and Wally's. Personal insults will not be tolerated I have made that abundantly clear. Now, have you found your reference to penis licking yet
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Re: Dear Gandalf
Reply #14 - May 12^th, 2014 at 6:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

I deleted the entire exchange

Yes I know his spelling was not of this planet so I could understand why you deleted his impotent portion. My retort however was a masterpiece of wit and humour and must disagree with your vile and heavy handed approach, mind you it does remind me of a certain Muslim who sucked little boys pee pees.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

Now, have you found your reference to penis licking yet

Can honestly state that I am not enamored by the prospect of looking up "Penis Licking" on the net, could be classed as a paedophile, not that their is anything wrong with that according to TC, he state's its OK cause Mo did it.

Tell you what Gandalf, you have opened up a can of worms Grin

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Sexuality

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