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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #60 - May 16^th, 2014 at 10:05pm hazy123 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:44pm: Rolf Harris would be an ideal muslim. Considering that Christian texts say that a 90 year-old Joseph married a 12 year-old Mary, I do find this statement a tad ironic.
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Re: Dear Gandalf
Reply #61 - May 16^th, 2014 at 10:29pm

True Colours wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

hazy123 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

Rolf Harris would be an ideal muslim.

Considering that Christian texts say that a 90 year-old Joseph married a 12 year-old Mary, I do find this statement a tad ironic.

You watch your tongue. That’s the Mother of Gud we’re talking about here.

This is a serious discussion about the hideous Muselman. If you want to tar and feather decent, Gud-fearing people, you can go and post on another forum.

Typical.

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hazy123 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 404 Gender:	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #62 - May 17^th, 2014 at 3:10am Dont worry socialist criminals (and muslim defector) most of us 'racist' Aussies aren't particularly fond of Jews either. You'd have to comment on Jesus's track record of havindg sex with kids. O.K ...Go!
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Reply #63 - May 17^th, 2014 at 9:56am

True Colours wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

hazy123 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

Rolf Harris would be an ideal muslim.

Considering that Christian texts say that a 90 year-old Joseph married a 12 year-old Mary, I do find this statement a tad ironic.

Do you believe that?

He was supposed to have lived till he was 110, the job must have come with a good health care package. Grin

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In real life Gandalf is known as Mr 10%

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #64 - May 17^th, 2014 at 11:03am 12 years old? Aisha was 6, and according to muslims, was psychologically and physically mature enough to enter into a matrimonial contract with muhammad. So Mary was a middle aged woman according to muslim logic.
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #65 - May 17^th, 2014 at 12:17pm Really good to see Islam has a sense of humour, unlike TC. Inspired By Muhammad - Coexistence A veritable plethora of Islamic education indoctrination awaits the ardent viewer.
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Reply #66 - May 17^th, 2014 at 12:46pm

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 11:03am:

12 years old?

Aisha was 6, and according to muslims, was psychologically and physically mature enough to enter into a matrimonial contract with muhammad

This is incorrect.

In Islamic law any contract, such as marriage, can only be entered into by adults.

The marriage does not become valid until both parties reach adulthood.

Talmudic Judaism, on the other hand, permits sex with 3 year-old girls.

Christianity doesn't even seem to have an age of consent at all. Perhaps this is why it in some cases it is legal to have sex with a girl has not even reached puberty in Australia today. No marriage, no puberty, but legal! Christian values eh?

Christians have been all over the place on the age of consent. Just look at the US:

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In 1880, the age of consent was 10 in most states but ranged from 7 in Delaware to 12 across nine states and the District of Columbia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

In the Vatican it was legal to have sex with a girl or boy who had not reached puberty until just last year!

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/vatican-city-raises-age-consent-12-18-followi...

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #67 - May 17^th, 2014 at 12:57pm So muhammad married a child who was not old enough to understand or give considered consent to the forced marriage? Yes?
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hazy123 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 404 Gender:	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #68 - May 17^th, 2014 at 1:07pm According to true colours their isnt an age of consent in Australian. But seeing as we follow the same rules of law as 1880 America and the Vatican, I guess thats alright, LOL.
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Reply #69 - May 17^th, 2014 at 1:24pm

Yeah well T.C. tell a lot of lies and doesn't really understand what he posts

What is the legal age of consent in Australian state and territory jurisdictions?

The legal age for consensual sex varies across Australian state and territory jurisdictions.

The age of consent is 16 years of age in the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, Northern Territory, Victoria and Western Australia.

In Tasmania and South Australia the age of consent is 17 years of age.

Queensland is the only state that makes a distinction between different forms of sexual activity and the age of consent. In Queensland, the age of consent for anal sex (referred to as sodomy in legislation) is 18 years of age, while the age of consent for all other sexual behaviour (described as carnal knowledge) is 16 years of age.

Govt site

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Reply #70 - May 17^th, 2014 at 2:26pm

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:24pm:

Yeah well T.C. tell a lot of lies and doesn't really understand what he posts

But you are fully truthful, and wise and fully grasp the matter at hand?

In Australia, in some cases it is fully legal to have sex with a girl who has not reached puberty.

The normal range for puberty is 9-14. Yet Australian law allows some people to have sex with 10 year-old children. And in WA, it could be argued that there are circumstances when it is legal for some people to have sex with a very small child:

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What is the legal age of consent in Australian state and territory jurisdictions?

ACT

If a person is charged with engaging in sexual activities with a person under the legal age, a legal defence is outlined in section 55(3). It states that:

It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (2) if the defendant establishes that -

(b) at the time of the alleged offence -

(i) the person on whom the offence is alleged to have been committed was of or above the age of 10 years; and

(ii) the defendant was not more than 2 years older; and that that person consented to the sexual intercourse.

Tas

...The consent of a person against whom a crime is alleged to have been committed under this section is a defence to such a charge only where, at the time the crime was alleged to have been committed -

(b) that person was of or above the age of 12 years and the accused person was not more than 3 years older than that person.

Vic

Consent is not a defence to a charge unless at the time of the alleged offence the child was aged 12 or older and -

(b) the accused was not more than 2 years older than the child;

WA

Criminal Code Act Compilation Act 1913 (Section 321).

If a person is charged with engaging in sexual activities with a person under the legal age, a legal defence is outlined in section 321(9-10). It states that:

It is a defence to a charge under this section to prove the accused person -

(b) was not more than 3 years older than the child

Under subsection 10, it is a defence to a charge to move that the accused was lawfully married to the child.

http://www.aifs.gov.au/cfca/pubs/factsheets/a142090/

So, it seems, Australian laws allows abuse of children, that Islam does not.

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hazy123 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 404 Gender:	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #71 - May 17^th, 2014 at 2:38pm This obviousy applies to young teens having sex with other young teens doesn't it TC. Not dirty old Mo and a 9 year old girl. I blame Christianity.
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Reply #72 - May 17^th, 2014 at 3:07pm

True Colours wrote: Quote:

So, it seems, Australian laws allows abuse of children, that Islam does not.

Do you understand what you post T.C. ?

Why did you leave out the very obvious age difference ?

What this is alluding to, is plainly, sex between children / teens of similar age

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What is the legal age of consent in Australian state and territory jurisdictions?

ACT

If a person is charged with engaging in sexual activities with a person under the legal age, a legal defence is outlined in section 55(3). It states that:

It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (2) if the defendant establishes that -

(b) at the time of the alleged offence -

(i) the person on whom the offence is alleged to have been committed was of or above the age of 10 years; and

(ii) the defendant was not more than 2 years older; and that that person consented to the sexual intercourse.

Tas

...The consent of a person against whom a crime is alleged to have been committed under this section is a defence to such a charge only where, at the time the crime was alleged to have been committed -

(b) that person was of or above the age of 12 years and the accused person was not more than 3 years older than that person.

Vic

Consent is not a defence to a charge unless at the time of the alleged offence the child was aged 12 or older and -

(b) the accused was not more than 2 years older than the child;

WA

Criminal Code Act Compilation Act 1913 (Section 321).

If a person is charged with engaging in sexual activities with a person under the legal age, a legal defence is outlined in section 321(9-10). It states that:

It is a defence to a charge under this section to prove the accused person -

(b) was not more than 3 years older than the child

Under subsection 10, it is a defence to a charge to move that the accused was lawfully married to the child.

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #73 - May 17^th, 2014 at 3:11pm So you Christian apologists think that is fine for a person to have sex with somebody who not yet reached puberty as per Australian law?
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Dear Gandalf Reply #74 - May 17^th, 2014 at 3:46pm Do you understand how we operate in Australia? These are the secular laws of Australia, we separate church and state. Laws are made by the Parliament. Members of parliament come from all walks of life.
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