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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38526 Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #1350 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 7:29pm red baron wrote on Aug 6^th, 2014 at 7:21pm: Aussie may just see Rolf passing by yet he'll defend him 'till he dies. Nope. I'm no Ming dazzled by Royalty. You won't find even one post of mine where I 'defend' Rolf. I have made many comments on process and procedure and the like, but not one defending Rolf.
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Reply #1351 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 11:50pm

Emma wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 9:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:40pm:

Emma wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Emma wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

well Aussie I also was in melbourne at that time of MY life.

I had a friend.. OK? who went to school with her. Her observation.. as an adult looking back.. was she needed attention.. she needed to be loved.. who knows why we have these sorts of needs.??? . but its unfair to presume you have any idea why this was so...

This is nothing but a smear on the character of a person.. whom ..you said.. pretty well everyone in Australia 'knew'.

Get out of it DOG.

Walk a mile in HER SHOES.. then you may have some credibility.

As it stands.. all you gossiping scumbags ought hide your heads in SHAME.

Gawd....you are taking it right over the top aren't you? The Lady had a very troubled teen and later years, and some of it was her own making. She made headlines for having consensual sex at 13 with a 24 year old bloke in the YTT crew ~ he was convicted eventually on a plea of guilty of unlawful carnal knowledge (not rape, as we know that to usually mean, as the act was with her consent) yet ~ the reference now to it misleadingly is that someone had been convicted of raping her.

The Lady is an enigma, an outstanding talent lost somehow after years of alcohol and heroine abuse, and suddenly, out of nowhere, she reappears ~ and of all places ~ on Facebook, instead of taking it to Police, she makes these allegations concerning events which allegedly occurred about 40 years ago.

Those are facts Emma, no interpretation, and I have no need to walk her shoes. I am not condemning the woman. I am reminding myself of the facts.

Aussie... I think the references to Ms Byrne ... IRRELEVANT. Gnads is a gnat.... I think nothing of his opinions.. but yours.. I'd like to respect. YOU KNOW the FACTS,..??
Impossible.. but you think you know the BUZZ.

What is the connection?? to ROLF HARRIS in JAIL..?

Nothing I can see... except.. perhaps the need to denigrate those who come forward... after too long... in your view.

What else?? why bring this up??
What is your reason?

The reason is simple ~ if Debra gets traction on this at 57 years of age, some bastard, 40 years since an event likely involving pubescent consent, is going to have his life turned upside down as a consequence of allegations made by a Lady who really, by her own admission, was a very disturbed person, one who became addicted to alcohol and heroine, and one, despite enormous talent, became as mundane as the rest of us. On top of all that, one must conject about her motive, particularly since, instead of going to the Police, she went to Face Book. There are some analogies to the Rolf Harris sorry saga.

Oh t6hat is so sadddddddddd Aussie..??

Why does this vague analogous connection make you bring in Ms Byrnes... is this supposed to have some effect ?? to help ROLF,..?? To dissuade others..?? what ??? Huh

Why else POST IT.?

No satisfactory reply .. so far. Sad

I think even less of the opinions of rabid hairy armpit brigadiers.......... T/wat.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #1352 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 11:55pm like I said Gnat... your views amount to zip IMO.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #1353 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 12:00am suddenly, out of nowhere, she reappears ~ and of all places ~ on Facebook, instead of taking it to Police, Now lets be fair... Ms Byrne was asking for help ,, from people who may remember those days... HOW can she go to Police when she cannot identify her assailants?
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29281 Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #1354 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 12:15am She has many connections/friends she could have contacted instead of resorting to plastering it on Facebook. As Johnny Young implied. Emmachisit climb down off your high chair your misandrist slip is showing. IMHO your views mean no more & are worth no less than anyone elses.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #1355 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 12:47am I concur my opinion has no greater weight than any other.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #1356 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 11:40am red baron wrote on Aug 6^th, 2014 at 7:21pm: Aussie may just see Rolf passing by yet he'll defend him 'till he dies. It's that third leg that Aussie hankers for ....
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #1357 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 1:10pm So just what is your position on Rolf Aussie, personally that is, take off your lawyer hat and tell us what you think please?
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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #1358 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:28pm

red baron wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

So just what is your position on Rolf Aussie, personally that is, take off your lawyer hat and tell us what you think please?

What I think is completely beside the point. What I know is that he was convicted of several offences involving young teen females, despite his denial, despite the age of the allegations, despite the lack of corroboration and despite the difficult legal concepts about what use the Jury could make of the existence of several charges when considering guilt on one.

As for what I think assuming he is in fact guilty of these acts, well.......you do have to put it in context ~ those were the heady days of groupies, idols, drugs, rock 'n roll and sexual smorgasboards. Harris would have become wrapped up in his own self importance and the fawning femme fatals who were aplenty at the time. Way too easy to lose the moral compass in that environment, and he clearly did. It was opportunistic, almost predatory, very selfish in the sense he failed to consider the impact of his behaviour. He had to serve a custodial sentence, and the one he was given reflects relevant sentencing precedents. I believe he ought serve that term in as much protection as is possible. He was not sentenced to thuggery or buggery. He has lost a great deal. It seems so have his victims.........but..........I do wonder about the extent of it with some.

The latest to publicly claim victimhood, Debra Byrne. If I ever see her crying that whatever happened to her with her active consent and participation was the cause of any later or current anguish, I will spew.....and I will post the youtube records of her beaming away, and lapping up the glory of her own This is Your Life done when she was in her 30s. She was a 14 year old female predator/provocateur who knew very well that an erect penis has no conscience.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #1359 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:37pm Thanks for your reply Aussie, it clarifies.
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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #1360 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:43pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

So just what is your position on Rolf Aussie, personally that is, take off your lawyer hat and tell us what you think please?

What I think is completely beside the point. What I know is that he was convicted of several offences involving young teen females, despite his denial, despite the age of the allegations, despite the lack of corroboration and despite the difficult legal concepts about what use the Jury could make of the existence of several charges when considering guilt on one.

As for what I think assuming he is in fact guilty of these acts, well.......you do have to put it in context ~ those were the heady days of groupies, idols, drugs, rock 'n roll and sexual smorgasboards. Harris would have become wrapped up in his own self importance and the fawning femme fatals who were aplenty at the time. Way too easy to lose the moral compass in that environment, and he clearly did. It was opportunistic, almost predatory, very selfish in the sense he failed to consider the impact of his behaviour. He had to serve a custodial sentence, and the one he was given reflects relevant sentencing precedents. I believe he ought serve that term in as much protection as is possible. He was not sentenced to thuggery or buggery. He has lost a great deal. It seems so have his victims.........but..........I do wonder about the extent of it with some.

The latest to publicly claim victimhood, Debra Byrne. If I ever see her crying that whatever happened to her with her active consent and participation was the cause of any later or current anguish, I will spew.....and I will post the youtube records of her beaming away, and lapping up the glory of her own This is Your Life done when she was in her 30s. She was a 14 year old female predator/provocateur who knew very well that an erect penis has no conscience.

Strange, I thought a jury of his peers found him GUILTY, and guess what Perry, he got five plus smacking years!

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Reply #1361 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:49pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

So just what is your position on Rolf Aussie, personally that is, take off your lawyer hat and tell us what you think please?

What I think is completely beside the point. What I know is that he was convicted of several offences involving young teen females, despite his denial, despite the age of the allegations, despite the lack of corroboration and despite the difficult legal concepts about what use the Jury could make of the existence of several charges when considering guilt on one.

As for what I think assuming he is in fact guilty of these acts, well.......you do have to put it in context ~ those were the heady days of groupies, idols, drugs, rock 'n roll and sexual smorgasboards. Harris would have become wrapped up in his own self importance and the fawning femme fatals who were aplenty at the time. Way too easy to lose the moral compass in that environment, and he clearly did. It was opportunistic, almost predatory, very selfish in the sense he failed to consider the impact of his behaviour. He had to serve a custodial sentence, and the one he was given reflects relevant sentencing precedents. I believe he ought serve that term in as much protection as is possible. He was not sentenced to thuggery or buggery. He has lost a great deal. It seems so have his victims.........but..........I do wonder about the extent of it with some.

The latest to publicly claim victimhood, Debra Byrne. If I ever see her crying that whatever happened to her with her active consent and participation was the cause of any later or current anguish, I will spew.....and I will post the youtube records of her beaming away, and lapping up the glory of her own This is Your Life done when she was in her 30s. She was a 14 year old female predator/provocateur who knew very well that an erect penis has no conscience.

what you do fail to mention aussie is these were all children.. one 8 years of age not your average groupie....and when I see charges related to children of a tender age...I always ask myself...

WHY CHILDREN... and I usually answer said question like this..

well they almost never ever say anything at the time..

most children think THEY will be in trouble ...

very very few children ever bring this up until they are of a mature age...

and guess what these perps know that...

if they touchy feely with a 17 year old she would probably speak up a lot sooner if not knock him down...

I cannot speak from experience thank goodness... but I am sure thats almost certainly how it works..children dont know about right or wrong in this regard...and for most the adult is almost always in the right...

today we live in a more enlightened world than k god and if a child ever told me of something that happened I would most certainly do something about it right away....

would I have done 20 or 30 years ago.. I can only hope I would have..

you claim despite his denial.....

really aussie denial was his only defence...

did he do it..... hard to prove..

didnt he do it...... hard to prove

some people even on this thread think touching and feeling isnt really a true crime.. Roll Eyes

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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #1362 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:50pm

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

So just what is your position on Rolf Aussie, personally that is, take off your lawyer hat and tell us what you think please?

What I think is completely beside the point. What I know is that he was convicted of several offences involving young teen females, despite his denial, despite the age of the allegations, despite the lack of corroboration and despite the difficult legal concepts about what use the Jury could make of the existence of several charges when considering guilt on one.

As for what I think assuming he is in fact guilty of these acts, well.......you do have to put it in context ~ those were the heady days of groupies, idols, drugs, rock 'n roll and sexual smorgasboards. Harris would have become wrapped up in his own self importance and the fawning femme fatals who were aplenty at the time. Way too easy to lose the moral compass in that environment, and he clearly did. It was opportunistic, almost predatory, very selfish in the sense he failed to consider the impact of his behaviour. He had to serve a custodial sentence, and the one he was given reflects relevant sentencing precedents. I believe he ought serve that term in as much protection as is possible. He was not sentenced to thuggery or buggery. He has lost a great deal. It seems so have his victims.........but..........I do wonder about the extent of it with some.

The latest to publicly claim victimhood, Debra Byrne. If I ever see her crying that whatever happened to her with her active consent and participation was the cause of any later or current anguish, I will spew.....and I will post the youtube records of her beaming away, and lapping up the glory of her own This is Your Life done when she was in her 30s. She was a 14 year old female predator/provocateur who knew very well that an erect penis has no conscience.

Strange, I thought a jury of his peers found him GUILTY, and guess what Perry, he got five plus smacking years!

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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Reply #1363 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:58pm

Just for the record my position on Rolf Harris is, that he has been found guilty of offences which he committed over decades. It is my belief that he has been getting away with blue murder and the offences he was tried for only represent a small percentage of what he most probably carried out.

He is now in gaol and it his own damned fault that he is there. Whatever happens to Rolf in there, good or bad is as a direct result of his disgusting practices over the course of a lifetime. I like to think of it as Karma.

Personally I couldn't give a tinker's cuss what happens to him in gaol. He didn't show any remorse for the lives 'that we know' he has affected badly.

He is now at the mercy and behest of the system for the next few years if he makes it through. He does not deserve any consideration.

I will never, ever forget him singing to the jury when he was in the dock, forever the ham even when facing a Jury of his Peers.

I don't think his wobble board is going to work for him on the inside.

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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #1364 - Aug 7^th, 2014 at 4:12pm For those who haven't read what the 12 charges were that he was found guilty of, they are all listed here, in detail (including the little girl who was 7 or 8 and queuing to get an autograph when he groped her), they weren't all teenagers or "groupies". http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27907511
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