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Reply #1366 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 2:18am

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

So just what is your position on Rolf Aussie, personally that is, take off your lawyer hat and tell us what you think please?

What I think is completely beside the point. What I know is that he was convicted of several offences involving young teen females, despite his denial, despite the age of the allegations, despite the lack of corroboration and despite the difficult legal concepts about what use the Jury could make of the existence of several charges when considering guilt on one.

As for what I think assuming he is in fact guilty of these acts, well.......you do have to put it in context ~ those were the heady days of groupies, idols, drugs, rock 'n roll and sexual smorgasboards. Harris would have become wrapped up in his own self importance and the fawning femme fatals who were aplenty at the time. Way too easy to lose the moral compass in that environment, and he clearly did. It was opportunistic, almost predatory, very selfish in the sense he failed to consider the impact of his behaviour. He had to serve a custodial sentence, and the one he was given reflects relevant sentencing precedents. I believe he ought serve that term in as much protection as is possible. He was not sentenced to thuggery or buggery. He has lost a great deal. It seems so have his victims.........but..........I do wonder about the extent of it with some.

The latest to publicly claim victimhood, Debra Byrne. If I ever see her crying that whatever happened to her with her active consent and participation was the cause of any later or current anguish, I will spew.....and I will post the youtube records of her beaming away, and lapping up the glory of her own This is Your Life done when she was in her 30s. She was a 14 year old female predator/provocateur who knew very well that an erect penis has no conscience.

Aussie .. do you see .. hi-lited above..?? your words.

Offensive yes.. still think he's been badly treated don't you... whilst these 8 yr old femme fatals have ruthlessly used and abused him. You are a pretty sad dude... Aussie.

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Reply #1367 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:23am

Emma wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 2:18am:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

So just what is your position on Rolf Aussie, personally that is, take off your lawyer hat and tell us what you think please?

What I think is completely beside the point. What I know is that he was convicted of several offences involving young teen females, despite his denial, despite the age of the allegations, despite the lack of corroboration and despite the difficult legal concepts about what use the Jury could make of the existence of several charges when considering guilt on one.

As for what I think assuming he is in fact guilty of these acts, well.......you do have to put it in context ~ those were the heady days of groupies, idols, drugs, rock 'n roll and sexual smorgasboards. Harris would have become wrapped up in his own self importance and the fawning femme fatals who were aplenty at the time. Way too easy to lose the moral compass in that environment, and he clearly did. It was opportunistic, almost predatory, very selfish in the sense he failed to consider the impact of his behaviour. He had to serve a custodial sentence, and the one he was given reflects relevant sentencing precedents. I believe he ought serve that term in as much protection as is possible. He was not sentenced to thuggery or buggery. He has lost a great deal. It seems so have his victims.........but..........I do wonder about the extent of it with some.

The latest to publicly claim victimhood, Debra Byrne. If I ever see her crying that whatever happened to her with her active consent and participation was the cause of any later or current anguish, I will spew.....and I will post the youtube records of her beaming away, and lapping up the glory of her own This is Your Life done when she was in her 30s. She was a 14 year old female predator/provocateur who knew very well that an erect penis has no conscience.

Aussie .. do you see .. hi-lited above..?? your words.

Offensive yes.. still think he's been badly treated don't you... whilst these 8 yr old femme fatals have ruthlessly used and abused him. You are a pretty sad dude... Aussie.

aussie is well known for supporting those who have been found guilty of a CRIME....

he is particularly fond of telling us how dreadful the Morecombe family are and how their sons murderer Cowan was set up and therefore unfairly tried..... for something he confessed he did...

but aussie didnt think it was FAIR....of course killing the boy was FAIR...and the parent trying to move on is not on in aussies view...its disgraceful in fact... he is very hurt and hard done by their behaviour... Cowan well he had a bad childhood didnt he? Roll Eyes

aussie objects to the use of smilies as well...

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Reply #1368 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:48am

Emma wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 2:18am:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

So just what is your position on Rolf Aussie, personally that is, take off your lawyer hat and tell us what you think please?

What I think is completely beside the point. What I know is that he was convicted of several offences involving young teen females, despite his denial, despite the age of the allegations, despite the lack of corroboration and despite the difficult legal concepts about what use the Jury could make of the existence of several charges when considering guilt on one.

As for what I think assuming he is in fact guilty of these acts, well.......you do have to put it in context ~ those were the heady days of groupies, idols, drugs, rock 'n roll and sexual smorgasboards. Harris would have become wrapped up in his own self importance and the fawning femme fatals who were aplenty at the time. Way too easy to lose the moral compass in that environment, and he clearly did. It was opportunistic, almost predatory, very selfish in the sense he failed to consider the impact of his behaviour. He had to serve a custodial sentence, and the one he was given reflects relevant sentencing precedents. I believe he ought serve that term in as much protection as is possible. He was not sentenced to thuggery or buggery. He has lost a great deal. It seems so have his victims.........but..........I do wonder about the extent of it with some.

The latest to publicly claim victimhood, Debra Byrne. If I ever see her crying that whatever happened to her with her active consent and participation was the cause of any later or current anguish, I will spew.....and I will post the youtube records of her beaming away, and lapping up the glory of her own This is Your Life done when she was in her 30s. She was a 14 year old female predator/provocateur who knew very well that an erect penis has no conscience.

Aussie .. do you see .. hi-lited above..?? your words.

Offensive yes.. still think he's been badly treated don't you... whilst these 8 yr old femme fatals have ruthlessly used and abused him. You are a pretty sad dude... Aussie.

There was only 1 charge involving a child of 8. Patted her bottom or similar while she was in a queue in public allegedly. Must have been life defining traumatic for her.

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Reply #1369 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:59am

ian wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

Emma wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 2:18am:

Aussie wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 7^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

So just what is your position on Rolf Aussie, personally that is, take off your lawyer hat and tell us what you think please?

What I think is completely beside the point. What I know is that he was convicted of several offences involving young teen females, despite his denial, despite the age of the allegations, despite the lack of corroboration and despite the difficult legal concepts about what use the Jury could make of the existence of several charges when considering guilt on one.

As for what I think assuming he is in fact guilty of these acts, well.......you do have to put it in context ~ those were the heady days of groupies, idols, drugs, rock 'n roll and sexual smorgasboards. Harris would have become wrapped up in his own self importance and the fawning femme fatals who were aplenty at the time. Way too easy to lose the moral compass in that environment, and he clearly did. It was opportunistic, almost predatory, very selfish in the sense he failed to consider the impact of his behaviour. He had to serve a custodial sentence, and the one he was given reflects relevant sentencing precedents. I believe he ought serve that term in as much protection as is possible. He was not sentenced to thuggery or buggery. He has lost a great deal. It seems so have his victims.........but..........I do wonder about the extent of it with some.

The latest to publicly claim victimhood, Debra Byrne. If I ever see her crying that whatever happened to her with her active consent and participation was the cause of any later or current anguish, I will spew.....and I will post the youtube records of her beaming away, and lapping up the glory of her own This is Your Life done when she was in her 30s. She was a 14 year old female predator/provocateur who knew very well that an erect penis has no conscience.

Aussie .. do you see .. hi-lited above..?? your words.

Offensive yes.. still think he's been badly treated don't you... whilst these 8 yr old femme fatals have ruthlessly used and abused him. You are a pretty sad dude... Aussie.

There was only 1 charge involving a child of 8. Patted her bottom or similar while she was in a queue in public allegedly. Must have been life defining traumatic for her.

not sure WHAT numbers have to do with the crime... and I think he did more than a pat,little girls wear dresses and he would have patted her under the skirt I am sure....maybe not a big deal to yourself.. in which case I do hope you dont have any daughters..

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #1370 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 3:09pm So you wouldn't mind Rolf groping your 8 year old daughter Ian? That's fair comment drawn through your argument.
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Reply #1371 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 3:37pm

cods, I have been diligently ignoring you, but this is just too much.

Why do you lie so?

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aussie is well known for supporting those who have been found guilty of a CRIME....

You will not find one post of mine where I have done so.

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he is particularly fond of telling us how dreadful the Morecombe family are

I, and the rest of the Sunshine Coast, have had a gut full of the Morecombes who earn income as a direct consequence of the murder of their son, and that is what I have said, consistently.

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and how their sons murderer Cowan was set up and therefore unfairly tried..... for something he confessed he did...

It is an indisputable fact that he was set up with what is known as a "Mr Big" sting, and in that sting, as urged and as induced by undercover coppers running the sting he 'confessed.' Up until very recently, that sting was considered legitimate because of a train of Canadian legal precedents....BUT NOW....the Supreme Court of Canada has determined the activity is police misconduct, and confessions arising from it, may be excluded from what the Jury get to hear. That Canadian decision is not binding but is of persuasive authority here in Queensland. Those are legal concepts, cods, so I understand why it would all go right over your head.

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but aussie didnt think it was FAIR....

I made critical comments about the admissibility/value of the obviously induced confession.....and guess what cods, subsequently, the Supreme Court of Canada agreed with me. I guess that is a fairly good endorsement, and I'll take it.

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of course killing the boy was FAIR...

At no time did I assert that.

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and the parent trying to move on is not on in aussies view...its disgraceful in fact...

Crap. The fact is they are not trying to move on at all. At every opportunity, they are putting themselves into the public spotlight, even during the course of this week.

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he is very hurt and hard done by their behaviour...

Neither. Just had a gutfull as have 300,000 people here on the Coast.

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Cowan well he had a bad childhood didnt he?

When have I ever given a tinker's cuss about that?

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aussie objects to the use of smilies as well...

Cods, if you want to stay out of my firing line, please cease with the outright lies and defamatory distortions. Perhaps you might benefit with some advice from mantra in that regard. I recommend you PM her on the subject.

(No emoticons were mis-used in the making of this Post.)

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Reply #1372 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 4:41pm

red baron wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:

So you wouldn't mind Rolf groping your 8 year old daughter Ian? That's fair comment drawn through your argument.

if it did happen to my daughter I wouldnt encourage her to make it life defining. Unpleasant things happen to people all through life. Not only which i challenge the ability of any adult to recall accurately a brief occurrence 30 years ago regardless of how unpleasant it was, I have no doubt whatsoever that this person was verballed by the investigating officers.

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Reply #1373 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 4:44pm

ian wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:

So you wouldn't mind Rolf groping your 8 year old daughter Ian? That's fair comment drawn through your argument.

if it did happen to my daughter I wouldnt encourage her to make it life defining. Unpleasant things happen to people all through life. Not only which i challenge the ability of any adult to recall accurately a brief occurrence 30 years ago regardless of how unpleasant it was, I have no doubt whatsoever that this person was verballed by the investigating officers.

As should be obvious, my remarks above concerned the 'teenage' victims. It would be helpful if we were not working in the dark here.....what exactly did he do with the 8 year old?

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Reply #1374 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:12pm

my point in returning femme fatale comment.. is simply children of 8... or yes, even 10 or 12 GASP... are hardly femmes fatale...

you say I go over the top.. well frankly your genaralisations such as these are simply out of space.. Or I should say.. they are really on the nose.

OOOh all the poor adult men you are sympatico with... against all these evil femme fatals..8 yrs and up..!! you are again.....a much sadder individual than I had originally opined.

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Reply #1375 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:17pm

Emma wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

my point in returning femme fatale comment.. is simply children of 8... or yes, even 10 or 12 GASP... are hardly femmes fatale...

you say I go over the top.. well frankly your genaralisations such as these are simply out of space.. Or I should say.. they are really on the nose.

OOOh all the poor adult men you are sympatico with... against all these evil femme fatals..8 yrs and up..!! you are again.....a much sadder individual than I had originally opined.

Go and re-read what I said. Nowhere will you find me calling a 12 year old a femme fatal. You are tilting at windmills, Pancho.

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Reply #1376 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:37pm

Yes well these were your words...

Harris would have become wrapped up in his own self importance and the fawning femme fatals who were aplenty at the time. Way too easy to lose the moral compass in that environment, and he clearly did.

Now I may have drawn a long bow... but given the tenor of your comments... why wouldn't you mean the victims who came forward.??

Bit like your Byrne rant eh?? eh ??

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Reply #1377 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:44pm

Emma wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Yes well these were your words...

Harris would have become wrapped up in his own self importance and the fawning femme fatals who were aplenty at the time. Way too easy to lose the moral compass in that environment, and he clearly did.

Now I may have drawn a long bow... but given the tenor of your comments... why wouldn't you mean the victims who came forward.??

Bit like your Byrne rant eh?? eh ??

If I meant those who came forward, I would have said so outright, like I have very clearly with Byrne.

In that sentence you have quoted, I was, as is blindingly obvious to anyone without an agenda, referring to the warped aspect of the World people like Harris, at the time were living in.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #1378 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:09pm ahhh so now it's the World's fault. sorry.. wouldn't want to get in your 'firing line'.. eh?? Hey Cods.. did you find that comment of his to you threatening in some measure..??
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Reply #1379 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:23pm

Emma wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:09pm:

ahhh so now it's the World's fault. Grin

sorry.. wouldn't want to get in your 'firing line'.. eh?? Cool

Hey Cods.. did you find that comment of his to you threatening in some measure..??

You are all over the place. I did not say "World." I said "warped aspect of the World people like Harris, at the time were living in."

That is what I said, wasn't it Emma?

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