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Reply #390 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 11:27am

From daily reports during the trial, I find the prosecution evidence more compelling......HOWEVER, in the absence of being present and hearing/watching everything said by every witness, I'm wavering between "beyond reasonable doubt" and "on the balance of probabilities" on proof of the charges relating to the woman with whom Harris went on to engage in an adult relationship.
Am not saying the abuse didn't start at 13..... am saying I'm unsure if it's been proven to the required standard.

In relation to charges involving the other three complainants, think he'll be found guilty.

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #391 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 12:28pm Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 10:44am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 9:02am: ... Or Brixton on a Sa'dee Nigh', Guv! Christ no. Isn't that where they had the Race Riots a few years ago? You may not know you visited Brixton, its too dark, see.
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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #392 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 2:39pm

Alinta wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

From daily reports during the trial, I find the prosecution evidence more compelling......HOWEVER, in the absence of being present and hearing/watching everything said by every witness, I'm wavering between "beyond reasonable doubt" and "on the balance of probabilities" on proof of the charges relating to the woman with whom Harris went on to engage in an adult relationship.
Am not saying the abuse didn't start at 13..... am saying I'm unsure if it's been proven to the required standard.

In relation to charges involving the other three complainants, think he'll be found guilty.

I've not been following the case/evidence sufficiently to make any sensible comment so I'll make one which is not based on sense. I reckon the Jury will let him go ~ sympathy for an old bloke, reverence to his long and successful career and a bit of rub-off from his clear close association with the Queen. crappy reasons, I know, but I've seen Juries do the most unexpected things.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #393 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 12:00am me too
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Reply #394 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 12:16am

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

From daily reports during the trial, I find the prosecution evidence more compelling......HOWEVER, in the absence of being present and hearing/watching everything said by every witness, I'm wavering between "beyond reasonable doubt" and "on the balance of probabilities" on proof of the charges relating to the woman with whom Harris went on to engage in an adult relationship.
Am not saying the abuse didn't start at 13..... am saying I'm unsure if it's been proven to the required standard.

In relation to charges involving the other three complainants, think he'll be found guilty.

I've not been following the case/evidence sufficiently to make any sensible comment so I'll make one which is not based on sense. I reckon the Jury will let him go ~ sympathy for an old bloke, reverence to his long and successful career and a bit of rub-off from his clear close association with the Queen. crappy reasons, I know, but I've seen Juries do the most unexpected things.

Wow! What credentials you have Grin

Is that a bet each way or BS all the way? Or is it just another ridiculous unfounded assumption from somebody who doesn't care enough to look?

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #395 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 6:41am Adamant wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 12:28pm: You may not know you visited Brixton, its too dark, see. Wall to wall Jungle Bunnies ~ is that what you're telling me?
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Reply #396 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 6:59am

Amadd wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 12:16am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

From daily reports during the trial, I find the prosecution evidence more compelling......HOWEVER, in the absence of being present and hearing/watching everything said by every witness, I'm wavering between "beyond reasonable doubt" and "on the balance of probabilities" on proof of the charges relating to the woman with whom Harris went on to engage in an adult relationship.
Am not saying the abuse didn't start at 13..... am saying I'm unsure if it's been proven to the required standard.

In relation to charges involving the other three complainants, think he'll be found guilty.

I've not been following the case/evidence sufficiently to make any sensible comment so I'll make one which is not based on sense. I reckon the Jury will let him go ~ sympathy for an old bloke, reverence to his long and successful career and a bit of rub-off from his clear close association with the Queen. crappy reasons, I know, but I've seen Juries do the most unexpected things.

Wow! What credentials you have Grin

Is that a bet each way or BS all the way? Or is it just another ridiculous unfounded assumption from somebody who doesn't care enough to look?

YES....

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Reply #397 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 7:06am

Rolf will need to get some kind of sentence.. they have to send a message. this is a crime..and no one gets away with it..

maybe home detention this is costing him a lot for sure so maybe a fine compensation..something that can hurt.....hes been a bit arrogant singing in court..and calling them liars..even his mates say he was very hands on...that may be ok with an adult.. but not a child..

I am glad I am not the one to sentence him..going to jail will prove nothing and change nothing..may even kill him...

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Reply #398 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 7:22am

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

I've not been following the case/evidence sufficiently to make any sensible comment ...

So what's new?

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

.... and a bit of rub-off from his clear close association with the Queen.

The Queen had all his paintings ripped off the walls of Buckingham Palace and elsewhere as a token of his guilt well before the trial had even started ...

Whereas she once saw him well-hung in her private chambers, he no longer enjoys her patronage. Cool

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Reply #399 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 7:56am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 7:22am:

The Queen had all his paintings ripped off the walls of Buckingham Palace and elsewhere as a token of his guilt well before the trial had even started ...

Whereas she once saw him well-hung in her private chambers, he no longer enjoys her patronage.

never heard of her owning one of his paintings..and she would have no sway over anyone else taking them down..he has lost enough face as I am sure he isnt selling many now..

I think that could be the least of his worries.

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Reply #400 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 8:16am

cods wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 7:22am:

The Queen had all his paintings ripped off the walls of Buckingham Palace and elsewhere as a token of his guilt well before the trial had even started ...

Whereas she once saw him well-hung in her private chambers, he no longer enjoys her patronage.

never heard of her owning one of his paintings..

"The portrait hung in the Queen’s Gallery, attached to the south-west wing of the Palace, until 2007 when it was loaned to the Walker Art Gallery in Liverpool for several years.

The painting left the gallery in August last year.

In November, Harris was first questioned by police involved in the Operation Yewtree inquiry, set up following the Jimmy Savile scandal, a process that has led to him being charged with nine counts of indecent assault and four of making indecent images of children".

cods wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 7:56am:

and she would have no sway over anyone else taking them down..

Huh? "Houston to cods? ... Houston to cods? .... she's the Queen".

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Reply #401 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 10:31am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 8:16am:

osted by: Lord Herbert Posted on: Today at 8:16am
cods wrote Today at 7:56am:
Lord Herbert wrote Today at 7:22am:
The Queen had all his paintings ripped off the walls of Buckingham Palace and elsewhere as a token of his guilt well before the trial had even started ...

Whereas she once saw him well-hung in her private chambers, he no longer enjoys her patronage.

never heard of her owning one of his paintings..

"The portrait hung in the Queen’s Gallery, attached to the south-west wing of the Palace, until 2007 when it was loaned to the Walker Art Gallery in Liverpool for several years.

The painting left the gallery in August last year.

In November, Harris was first questioned by police involved in the Operation Yewtree inquiry, set up following the Jimmy Savile scandal, a process that has led to him being charged with nine counts of indecent assault and four of making indecent images of children".

you are talking,one pic..hardly anything to write home about and would she have commissioned it??.. he probably gave it to her..

cods wrote Today at 7:56am:
and she would have no sway over anyone else taking them down..

Huh? "Houston to cods? ... Houston to cods? .... she's the Queen".

I was referring to all those removed around the country.. do you really think she knows whats hung on all the walls.. really???..

I just cant see her stamping round the palace demanding this and that be removed...

I am sure she is above doing anything like that.

after all he hasnt been found guilty has he?

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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #402 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:38am

Amadd wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 12:16am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

From daily reports during the trial, I find the prosecution evidence more compelling......HOWEVER, in the absence of being present and hearing/watching everything said by every witness, I'm wavering between "beyond reasonable doubt" and "on the balance of probabilities" on proof of the charges relating to the woman with whom Harris went on to engage in an adult relationship.
Am not saying the abuse didn't start at 13..... am saying I'm unsure if it's been proven to the required standard.

In relation to charges involving the other three complainants, think he'll be found guilty.

I've not been following the case/evidence sufficiently to make any sensible comment so I'll make one which is not based on sense. I reckon the Jury will let him go ~ sympathy for an old bloke, reverence to his long and successful career and a bit of rub-off from his clear close association with the Queen. crappy reasons, I know, but I've seen Juries do the most unexpected things.

Wow! What credentials you have Grin

Is that a bet each way or BS all the way? Or is it just another ridiculous unfounded assumption from somebody who doesn't care enough to look?

How can it be a bet each way when I have stated that I reckon the Jury will let him go?

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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #403 - Jun 10^th, 2014 at 12:48pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Amadd wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 12:16am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Alinta wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

From daily reports during the trial, I find the prosecution evidence more compelling......HOWEVER, in the absence of being present and hearing/watching everything said by every witness, I'm wavering between "beyond reasonable doubt" and "on the balance of probabilities" on proof of the charges relating to the woman with whom Harris went on to engage in an adult relationship.
Am not saying the abuse didn't start at 13..... am saying I'm unsure if it's been proven to the required standard.

In relation to charges involving the other three complainants, think he'll be found guilty.

I've not been following the case/evidence sufficiently to make any sensible comment so I'll make one which is not based on sense. I reckon the Jury will let him go ~ sympathy for an old bloke, reverence to his long and successful career and a bit of rub-off from his clear close association with the Queen. crappy reasons, I know, but I've seen Juries do the most unexpected things.

Wow! What credentials you have Grin

Is that a bet each way or BS all the way? Or is it just another ridiculous unfounded assumption from somebody who doesn't care enough to look?

How can it be a bet each way when I have stated that I reckon the Jury will let him go?

Because no matter what happens you win.

If he is found guilty; Dirty bastard who touches little kids.
If he is found innocent; Jury wrongly let the dirty bastard who touches little kids off because of "sympathy for an old bloke, reverence to his long and successful career and a bit of rub-off from his clear close association with the Queen."

What ever way the Jury goes you will still be able to claim you called it right.

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