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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #450 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 1:07am I am NOT talking about a legal outcome... obviously... an accused must be FOUND guilty after the legal machine has churned. You definitely can be accused and guilty of same. The Court decides the guilt..or not... anyone can be accused of crimes... guilty or not.... logic says that to ME anyway.
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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #451 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 1:08am

Emma wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 12:38am:

huh?

why can't you be accused AND Guilty.??
huh?
pls explain

According to the law you are not guilty until proven to be so beyond any reasonable doubt...

Those are the two definitions involved.

Someone accused is not guilty until proven to be so - and tat is a very subjective areas in law handling in this and most other countries. We have basic rules that forbid that a person be considered guilty until proven to be so - though you might be persuaded that a person held on remand is somehow guilty....you are wrong.

Guilt is only accorded by a finding in proper court of law with a proper hearing in accordance with the rule of Law, and even then is not guaranteed.

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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #452 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 1:16am

Emma wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 1:07am:

I am NOT talking about a legal outcome... obviously...
an accused must be FOUND guilty after the legal machine has churned.

You definitely can be accused and guilty of same.

The Court decides the guilt..or not...

anyone can be accused of crimes... guilty or not....

logic says that to ME anyway. Tongue

No. If you are accused your are neither guilty or not guilty.

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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #453 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:05am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

cods wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

Amadd wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

Celebrity doesn't give him any special privileges, nor does it give society the right to dismiss his life's work as worthless and unimportant at a whim.

A Perth council of chambers takes down his portraits...society will not accept the court's finding no matter which way it goes. If he is found guilty, the punishment will never be enough.

its very very sad.. but as a grown man he shouldnt have done what he has been accused of..
he isnt brain damaged...

what on earth was he thinking every time he touched a child where he had no business touching her

it went on over almost 20 years...

unless you have been molested as a child.. we can never really understand what it has been like for them...and to have sympathy for the perp... well Im sorry but my thoughts are with the victims...he was an adult they were kids....

Cods.. darling - you can't simultaneously be accused of something and also guilty of it....

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/facepalm-hand-gesture-smiley-emo...

take your meds grap..please.

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True Blue... Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3748 Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #454 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:11am so now Harris's defence lawyer has taken a dive and the case has been suspended until at least Monday...
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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #455 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:12am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Emma wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 12:38am:

huh?

why can't you be accused AND Guilty.??
huh?
pls explain

According to the law you are not guilty until proven to be so beyond any reasonable doubt...

Those are the two definitions involved.

Someone accused is not guilty until proven to be so - and tat is a very subjective areas in law handling in this and most other countries. We have basic rules that forbid that a person be considered guilty until proven to be so - though you might be persuaded that a person held on remand is somehow guilty....you are wrong.

Guilt is only accorded by a finding in proper court of law with a proper hearing in accordance with the rule of Law, and even then is not guaranteed.

Ivan Milat still claims he is not guilty..

you can be caught with the smoking gun in your hand and still plead "not guilty"

you a re telling us what we already know... everyone is entitled to the letter of the law...

unless your the victim of course.

in the case of Rolf v many females..

is their word against his..

how do you prove..being molested as a child???...

we on hear are neither judge nor jury...we just know in our own minds...

OJ anyone.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #456 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:13am True Blue... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:11am: so now Harris's defence lawyer has taken a dive and the case has been suspended until at least Monday... how so????? dont tell me a deal at this stage.
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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #457 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:15am

cods wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:13am:

True Blue... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:11am:

so now Harris's defence lawyer has taken a dive and the case has been suspended until at least Monday... Roll Eyes

how so????? dont tell me a deal at this stage.

no, she's too sick to give her closing address... Roll Eyes

trying to buy more time more like it.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #458 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 8:34am

cods wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:13am:

True Blue... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:11am:

so now Harris's defence lawyer has taken a dive and the case has been suspended until at least Monday... Roll Eyes

how so????? dont tell me a deal at this stage.

Oh nooooo ... He hasn't been touching HER up too, has he ... and now she's traumatised that she spent all this time making up lies for him? Huh

Walked his fingers around to her breast while they were in a photo-shoot ... ? Cool

Breathed his fetid breath down the back of her neck while he pretended to be reading her notes?

Gently blew in her ear like Fonzy did with Mrs Cunningham? Tongue

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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #459 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 8:42am

True Blue... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:15am:

cods wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:13am:

True Blue... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:11am:

so now Harris's defence lawyer has taken a dive and the case has been suspended until at least Monday... Roll Eyes

how so????? dont tell me a deal at this stage.

no, she's too sick to give her closing address... Roll Eyes

trying to buy more time more like it.. Roll Eyes

the dressing down he is getting from the prosecutor .. would be enough to make anyone sick...she is canning him..I said many more would have come forward and they have all been witness'

Ms Wass spent the day graphically recounting the stories of 10 women, including a mother and daughter, all of whom have accused Harris of sexually assaulting them over more than 20 years. Four women form the basis on the indictments with the other six acting as bad character witnesses, their sexual assault claims being outside the legal jurisdiction.

even oral sex has been mentioned... Shocked

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Reply #460 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 8:43am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 8:34am:

cods wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:13am:

True Blue... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 7:11am:

so now Harris's defence lawyer has taken a dive and the case has been suspended until at least Monday... Roll Eyes

how so????? dont tell me a deal at this stage.

Oh nooooo ... He hasn't been touching HER up too, has he ... and now she's traumatised that she spent all this time making up lies for him? Huh

Walked his fingers around to her breast while they were in a photo-shoot ... ? Cool

Breathed his fetid breath down the back of her neck while he pretended to be reading her notes?

Gently blew in her ear like Fonzy did with Mrs Cunningham? Tongue

herb this isnt funny..if it was your daughter or granddaughter would you jest???? Angry

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #461 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 9:15am cods wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 8:43am: herb this isnt funny..if it was your daughter or granddaughter would you jest???? The defence counsel has taken a couple of days off with a sniffle ... That's hardly cause for funeral music and boxes of tissues.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Rolf facing the music Reply #463 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 9:28am I am sure some find it funny you find child abuse funny..and think you are witty.. sorry but your not..
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Re: Rolf facing the music
Reply #464 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 10:33am

Emma wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 1:07am:

I am NOT talking about a legal outcome... obviously...
an accused must be FOUND guilty after the legal machine has churned.

You definitely can be accused and guilty of same.

The Court decides the guilt..or not...

anyone can be accused of crimes... guilty or not....

logic says that to ME anyway. Tongue

Kids, dont do drugs. This is what happens.

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