cods wrote on Jun 28
th, 2014 at 7:24am:
austranger wrote on Jun 28
th, 2014 at 2:51am:
Don't get me wrong, personally I reckon RH is as guilty as hell, but I'm only going by the media reports, and a gut feeling, which I happen to trust.
I have a daughter so that does tend to make me a little prejudiced, but I also have a space-cadet sister ( we call her that for MANY reasons, this is but one of those many) who claims to have been molested, but I know for a FACT that some of her allegations are total b/s, I was there for goodness sake, and the one she accuses WAS NOT. He died long ago, and she never voiced her accusations until he was beyond defending himself, and even when confronted by my and others knowledge she insists on her version of events, even claiming abuse during a period of several years when he wasn't even in the flamin' country! OK, she's only one fruitcake, and even though there's bound to be others, that does not detract for a moment from the veracity of any other accusers, it merely highlights the fact that accusations are NOT proof, which is the way it's all going at the moment unfortunately.
I dread to think how many innocent men have had their lives destroyed and are doing time on the unsupported word of vindictive or delusional females, there's bound to be some, no-one can deny that.
of course thats true...we all know that inf act some women have been charged with doing that...and rightly so.....again what PROOF can one produce??...seedy guys do it so well ...
so can we assume then.. that this type of thing should never go to court..
a/...some women have lied
b/... there is no evidence or witness to said assault..
c/.. everyone is innocent until PROVEN otherwise.without cold evidence... no PROOF>
can anyone tell me
what evidence has been shown at the Royal Commission in to child abuse????????????
Sorry CODS, but you
do seem to be mistaking where I'm coming from.I also find your questions puzzling considering what you've said in the other posts, about not making a big deal or going to court over old feel-ups. I happen to agree with you about clogging up the legal system with ultimately unprovable cases, but support the right of any victim to try and seek justice, it's a conundrum I have no ready answer for though.
Nevertheless, I'll try to explain. In a case like RH, a persistent offender using his position to victimise I fully support prosecution, evidence or not, the accuser(s) must have their day in court and be taken seriously. That the presumption of innocence applies but has been routinely ignored by the media and courts is an unfortunate fact but it doesn't mean that he should walk free, nor do I mean that there should ONLY be a conviction where independent evidence is produced. It's a very fine line but the fact is that that line has been crossed and recrossed, innocent men have been convicted and guilty escaped, simply because the whole question is so very difficult, so unclear, so hard to prove except in rare cases.
Only today I was reading of a case where a law graduate has been gaoled for making false accusations of rape, a promising sign indeed.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/24335492/woman-jailed-over-fake-rape-claims/My main point was that once an accusation has been leveled and publicised the accused has then already had his life destroyed, even if innocent, almost everyone automatically assumes guilt these days and even if acquitted the stench will linger evermore. Perhaps an outright ban on reporting until conviction
might help the accused, but it equally
might deny the accuser vital but unknown verification or supporting evidence, another conundrum.
My lament about the number of innocent men in gaol was just that, and only that, a lament, I wasn't trying to say that because of their predicament there should be any change in law or approach to prosecution, our system may have it's faults but it the best, and
only, one we've got. Hopefully there will be wise heads trying to find ways to eliminate or mitigate those faults, but I'm not one of them, I have no answers, or even ideas, as to how that can be done.
It's a sad fact that such men have always been with us, and always will be, and teaching our kids to spot and defend against them is the best chance we have of protecting them, a method I personally used with my own, along with "no secrets, ever!" I taught them to believe that
anyone asking, suggesting, or insisting on secrecy was by definition a bad person, and should be spoken of loud and long simply for that reason! It may have spoiled the odd birthday surprise but mine got through to adulthood unscathed, so a that's a price I willingly paid!
I'll tell you this though, like many fathers,
IF my kids
had been molested, the police and courts would have been a
last resort, that molester would have become a statistic, a "missing person", and would never have re-offended, I can guarantee you
that!!
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