Lord Herbert wrote on May 17
th, 2014 at 12:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 17
th, 2014 at 12:04pm:
Pray do not confuse the two cases - one is settled on what are the accepted facts as stated - the other is still under consideration, and under no circumstances may you find guilt in a case totally separate in every way from one already concluded on an entirely different set of issues.
You must deal, mambas of the jury, with the FACTS as presented and proven properly at THIS trial - and no other!
Well, okay Grappler ~ I'll reserve my verdict until the conclusion of the trial, but even so it's my guess that he'll be subjected to
cavity searches before too long.
"Mr Harris ~ we're here to give you a cavity search. Is that okay with you?""Sure can ... "***
I did casual work at Dulux Paints in Sydney's Padstow where Rolf Harris had once visited and did one of his paintings on the wall. I actually worked only a few feet away from this painting.
It's incredible how many otherwise good men have been brought low because they obeyed the Voices in their pants.
I agree - if he's genuinely guilty, hang him and hang him high!
I am very fond of Henry Fonda in Twelve Angry Men....:-
"It just seems to me that if we're dealing with a man's life here, we should maybe talk about it first."
Also the ending in Judgement at Nuremburg where the Nazi judge is condemned and pleads with the American Judge:-
"I didn't know it would come to that".. (meaning all the innocents murdered), to which Spencer Tracey replied:-
"It came to that the first time you condemned a man knowing he was innocent!"
Let us await the facts and the evidence and the proper weighing thereof - this is NOT - nor will it ever be while I draw breath - trial by emotion or guilt by accusation to suit some concept of protecting the victim when all you may well be doing is creating another victim. It is my oft stated and repeated position that the very aim of such moves is to reduce the standard of proof over all and thus reduce rights and person power in society and hand more of it to government and its agencies - a sure sign of a despotic government and something stridently wailed for by certain groups currently accorded 'accredited victim status'.
The rate of wrongful conviction in the US - the most prison populous country - is estimated at 1:50 and 1:6 - depending on if you are a prosecutor etc or a defender.
That 1:6 fits with the figures Schu showed a few days ago of possible wrongful accusations for molestation, and it matters not one whit if many of these are concocted to provide leverage in divorce etc proceedings in a different arena with a different standard of proof, since they tend, as does 'domestic violence legislation' to render the courts more susceptible to a finding on the civil standard of 'balance of probabilities' instead of 'beyond
ANY reasonable doubt' - something I warned against in a 1992 submission to the Law Reform Commission.
I referred Schu to Ramsey Ohio and his study of wrongful conviction.
https://etd.ohiolink.edu/ap/10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:79146I note that Ramsey's figures have been downgraded from 1:6 to 1:20.... not sure why this is so..... the original said up to 1:6.
"The 798 respondents indicate they believe wrongful conviction occurs in 1 to 3 percent of all felony convictions. With more than 2,000,000 individuals incarcerated in the nation’s prisons and jails, this error rate would signify that between 20,000 and 60,000 individuals are incarcerated for crimes they did not commit."
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