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It's the way they do it. The problem with the Halal arrangement is that several foreign governments (including Indonesia), demand it of abbattoirs, with the threat they they will be excluded from the market. They go further by establishing regional monopolies within Australia for the purpose of pushing up prices as far as they can go without the rort collapsing because the market is completely destroyed. These monopolies then do with the huge somes of money raised whatever it is that Muslims do with ill gotten funds. I won't put any ideas into your head in case Gandalf accuses me of racism.

Do you think this sort of rort is acceptable?

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 7:11pm:


I look forward to you allowing non-inspected meat into the Australian market, FD.

I also look forward to you trying to get non-Kosher approved meat into a Jewish market such as Israel or even some suburbs of Melbourne.

You really do post some absolute tosh at times, FD.    The reality is, if you want to sell into certain markets, you must satisfy their requirements as to slaughter/packaging/safety/hygiene, etc.  They are buying, they get to call the tune.  If you don't want to play by their rules, then take your goods elsewhere, simple as that.   

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Please name one of these monopolies, FD.  While you're at it, why haven't you reported them to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission?   It was set up specifically to prevent monopolies forming and to ensure competition.  It has the power to break such monopolies up and force them to compete fairly.

Or is this just more tosh, FD?   

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You are yet to prove there is a "rort" yet.  You're doing as badly as Adamant with his completely unsuccessful attempt to prove the Halal certification in Australia funds overseas Terrorism.   

freediver wrote on Nov 25^th, 2014 at 7:11pm:


I don't see any "rorts".  They are paying the money so don't you think they have the right to demand what they are purchasing complies with their dietary requirements?  If Australian companies don't want to comply, they can walk away from the deal, no one is making them comply.   

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:


That’s a question, FD. Shall we ask Muhammed?

Talk about cunning.

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That's where the money goes HB. No-one knows what they do with it. We have enough trouble keeping track of federal government funds to Islamic schools.

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They are the shadowy Islamic organisations.

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What money flows form overseas to Australia? And not it is not all I am criticising. I laid it out pretty clearly for you several times already.

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 1:23pm:


To Australian companies producing food for Muslim markets?   Again I ask, how is that funding, "shadowy Islamic organisations"?

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What, Australian companies producing food for overseas Muslim markets?  I'd suggest the taxation department knows and their auditors know.  You know, the people who sign off on the Australian companies' annual reports?

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Doesn't appear to be too hard FD.  Afterall, thats how we've caught the few bad apples out.

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Who are?  Please name names and specific evidence linking these companies to "shadowy Islamic organisations"?

If you have such evidence, don't you think you should supply it to the authorities?

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The money spent on purchasing Australian goods.  Please try and keep up FD. 

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No, you've made quite a few unsupported claims.  You have presented no evidence.  Typical innuendo used by bigots though.   

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Are you having a slow day today? It goes to Australian 'Muslim' companies that produce nothing but pieces of paper.

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The shadowy Islamic organisations charge those Australian companies huge sums of money on behalf of foreign governments for the right to export.

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When the Australian government gives Islamic schools money with strings attached, they can place enforcable conditions on it an (eventually) uncover the rorts. Yet we still do not know where those millions of dollars went that the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils stole from schools. As far as the Halal rorts go, the Australian government has no such authority over where the money goes. It 'legitimately' disappears into a black hole.

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You want me to prove that a company is linked to itself?

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They are not unsupported at all. You are just having extreme difficulty understanding the basics. It was all over the papers recently.

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:


What does?  I'd have thought the money paid to purchase Australian food products goes to the companies that produce those food products.  Halal certification fees go to Australian certification companies, which must comply with Australian company law in order to operate.  Are you claiming they are breaking the law in some way?  Surely, if you have evidence of this you are required to supply it to the authorities?   Failure to do so would obviously make you complicit in these illegal activities!  We wouldn't want to see you prosecuted as well FD!   

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Do they?  So, you believe that Australian companies should be exempt from foreign nation's laws when exporting to those foreign nations?  "Huge sums" is a very imprecise term, surely you can be more accurate FD as you appear to be claiming you know so much about these activities.  You have, of course reported them to the authorities?   

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The AFIC "stole" from schools?  There was more than one case, FD?  Can you please provide some details on all these cases?

Further, can you please explain if the AFIC "stole" this money why no prosecutions have occurred of the AFIC?   

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I want you to prove the existence of what you claim are "shadowy Islamic organisations."   I want you to prove that there are links between Australian Halal certification authorities and these ""shadowy Islamic organisations," and that fees to the Australian Halal certificaion authorities are being used to fund Terrorism.  Otherwise this is just Islamophobic hyperbole. 

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If it was, you should have absolutely no trouble providing references to these newspaper reports.   Where are they?  Why are you resisting doing so?