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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #150 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 11:31am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 27^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

No, you've made quite a few unsupported claims. You have presented no evidence.

Oh you have to understand HB, FD defers to common sense and thinks for himself. You'll get the hang of it one day.

Maybe, maybe not. I prefer not to. Why should he be exempt from the same thing he expects others to provide (ie evidence)? Grin

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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #151 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 11:38am

|dev|null wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

Are you claiming they are breaking the law in some way? Surely, if you have evidence of this you are required to supply it to the authorities?

FD seems to know a lot about criminal activities that the authorities are not aware of. For example the transfer of government money by Malik Fahd school to AFIC was definitely, no question, used to fund terrorism. FD knows this for a fact - despite not having any evidence or the fact that the incident saw two separate government audits with no recommendations for criminal investigation by the police, and the government funding to Malik Fahd being reinstated after the audits.

|dev|null wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

I want you to prove that there are links between Australian Halal certification authorities and these ""shadowy Islamic organisations," and that fees to the Australian Halal certificaion authorities are being used to fund Terrorism.

FD has already prosecuted this case - it consists entirely of posing the question "do you have a better explanation". What more could you possibly want HB??

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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #152 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 1:50pm

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What does? I'd have thought the money paid to purchase Australian food products goes to the companies that produce those food products. Halal certification fees go to Australian certification companies, which must comply with Australian company law in order to operate. Are you claiming they are breaking the law in some way? Surely, if you have evidence of this you are required to supply it to the authorities? Failure to do so would obviously make you complicit in these illegal activities! We wouldn't want to see you prosecuted as well FD!

Stick to what I actually say HB. Other than the issue of where the money goes (which no-one knows) I have not even hinted at illegal behaviour. Do you understand the difference between illegal and immoral? Because every time I ask you whether you are OK with this behaviour, you pretend I am claiming it is illegal. Do you have an opinion on what they are up to?

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Do they? So, you believe that Australian companies should be exempt from foreign nation's laws when exporting to those foreign nations?

Again, stick to what I actually say.

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"Huge sums" is a very imprecise term, surely you can be more accurate FD as you appear to be claiming you know so much about these activities.

For one company alone, the price was tens of thousands of dollars per month. Check the newspaper articles if you want to know more.

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The AFIC "stole" from schools? There was more than one case, FD? Can you please provide some details on all these cases?

There were plenty of cases. It has been all over the media for years.

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I want you to prove the existence of what you claim are "shadowy Islamic organisations."

There have been newspaper articles about them and the huge sums of money they rort. Do you think it is all made up?

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If it was, you should have absolutely no trouble providing references to these newspaper reports. Where are they? Why are you resisting doing so?

I have already, in this thread. It would be easy for find if not for your endless stream of stupid questions.

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FD seems to know a lot about criminal activities that the authorities are not aware of. For example the transfer of government money by Malik Fahd school to AFIC was definitely, no question, used to fund terrorism.

Can you quote me Gandalf? Do you think it definitely did not go towards funding terrorism?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #153 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 1:50pm: Can you quote me Gandalf? freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 8:16am: So do government funds given to Muslim-run private schools in Australia.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #154 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 2:01pm freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 1:50pm: Do you think it definitely did not go towards funding terrorism? no, it could have been sent to the North Pole - but it doesn't mean we start throwing around baseless accusations that it definitely was
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #155 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 2:25pm

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

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What does? I'd have thought the money paid to purchase Australian food products goes to the companies that produce those food products. Halal certification fees go to Australian certification companies, which must comply with Australian company law in order to operate. Are you claiming they are breaking the law in some way? Surely, if you have evidence of this you are required to supply it to the authorities? Failure to do so would obviously make you complicit in these illegal activities! We wouldn't want to see you prosecuted as well FD!

Stick to what I actually say HB. Other than the issue of where the money goes (which no-one knows) I have not even hinted at illegal behaviour. Do you understand the difference between illegal and immoral? Because every time I ask you whether you are OK with this behaviour, you pretend I am claiming it is illegal. Do you have an opinion on what they are up to?

If it is only immoral, it is as you, yourself now admit, not illegal. So, you find it "immoral", many other people wonder why you're getting your knickers in a twist, particularly when you keep refusing to present any firm evidence, either or illegality or even this supposed "immorality".

Time to put up or shut up FD. Put your cards on the table and produce some evidence, even some links to media reports substantiating what you've been claiming or this is just obviously more Islamophobic hyperbole. If you can't, piss off. Stop the innuendo and actually admit you're a bigot and an Islamophobe. Even Yadda does a better job than you're doing! Cheesy

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Do they? So, you believe that Australian companies should be exempt from foreign nation's laws when exporting to those foreign nations?

Again, stick to what I actually say.

I am. You're making the claims! Produce the evidence!

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"Huge sums" is a very imprecise term, surely you can be more accurate FD as you appear to be claiming you know so much about these activities.

For one company alone, the price was tens of thousands of dollars per month. Check the newspaper articles if you want to know more.

What article? You haven't produced evidence that one exists! Cheesy

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The AFIC "stole" from schools? There was more than one case, FD? Can you please provide some details on all these cases?

There were plenty of cases. It has been all over the media for years.

Then you shouldn't have any difficulty producing proof FD. Where is it? Put up or shut up!

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I want you to prove the existence of what you claim are "shadowy Islamic organisations."

There have been newspaper articles about them and the huge sums of money they rort. Do you think it is all made up?

Then you shouldn't have any difficulty producing proof FD. Where is it? Put up or shut up!

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If it was, you should have absolutely no trouble providing references to these newspaper reports. Where are they? Why are you resisting doing so?

I have already, in this thread. It would be easy for find if not for your endless stream of stupid questions.

Then you shouldn't have any difficulty producing proof FD. Where is it? Put up or shut up!

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FD seems to know a lot about criminal activities that the authorities are not aware of. For example the transfer of government money by Malik Fahd school to AFIC was definitely, no question, used to fund terrorism.

Can you quote me Gandalf? Do you think it definitely did not go towards funding terrorism?

Then you shouldn't have any difficulty producing proof FD. Where is it? Put up or shut up! Grin

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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #156 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 2:45pm

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Stick to what I actually say HB. Other than the issue of where the money goes (which no-one knows) I have not even hinted at illegal behaviour.

Yes lets stick to what FD actually said:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:22pm:

Sorry, it was wrong of me to assume that Australia's own highly respected Muslim community leaders siphon off millions of dollars from their own children's education for sinister causes.

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:10pm:

And sprint. Do you really think I am the first one to come up with that theory? I'm flattered. What do you think our highly respected Muslim community leaders do with the millions of dollars they steal from their own children's education funds?

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 7:03pm:

So the auditors wouldn't have noticed if it simply disappeared rather than being written off in fraudulent management fees?

Buying a ferarri gets noticed. If you hand the money to terrorists, they tend to keep it quiet.

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 9:57pm:

Not just any old Muslim, like yourself. I'm sure this guy isn't uncertain about what Muhammed meant when he said to kill gays, both the giver and the taker. They are respected Muslim community leaders. You don't get to that lofty height by being a common thief. It takes an uncommon thief. Muhammed for example wrote a book about all the Jew gold and women he stole, so that his followers could convince themselves it wasn't actually stolen. It went into management fees.

If he had bought himself a ferrari, there would be receipts. Are you suggesting terrorists don't give receipts?

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

What is the point?

Should we turn a blind eye to the terrorism risks associated with Muslim community leaders siphoning off millions of dollars in government funds because it is politically incorrect to draw a link between Islam and terrorism?

freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

You would have to be extremely naive not to suspect terrorism funding when highly respected Muslim community leaders siphon off millions of dollars of government funding that should have gone to educating their own children. There has been no revelations about a lavish lifestyle or swiss bank accounts. The money just disappeared into Islamic smoke.

This is FD "not even hinting at illegal behaviour"

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41942	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #157 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 6:58pm I FD has been caught again, spreading bullshit. Mate, you'd be better off using this as fertiliser on the farm, rather than spreading it all our screens. No evidence == didn't happen. QED
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #158 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 7:28pm

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If it is only immoral, it is as you, yourself now admit, not illegal. So, you find it "immoral", many other people wonder why you're getting your knickers in a twist, particularly when you keep refusing to present any firm evidence, either or illegality or even this supposed "immorality".

Exhibit A: HB's unwillingness to offer an opinion.

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Time to put up or shut up FD. Put your cards on the table and produce some evidence, even some links to media reports substantiating what you've been claiming or this is just obviously more Islamophobic hyperbole. If you can't, piss off. Stop the innuendo and actually admit you're a bigot and an Islamophobe. Even Yadda does a better job than you're doing!

Here are some I prepared earlier. Like I said, it was all over the papers, and was a hot topic here for a long time, spawning about a dozen different threads.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1378852212/25#25

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1399946272/16#16

When not even Gandalf is arguing the point, you know it is solid.

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Yes lets stick to what FD actually said:

OK Gandalf, let's play "can you tell the difference". I'll start. Can you tell the difference between these two statements?

Should we turn a blind eye to the terrorism risks associated with Muslim community leaders siphoning off millions of dollars in government funds

FD seems to know a lot about criminal activities that the authorities are not aware of. For example the transfer of government money by Malik Fahd school to AFIC was definitely, no question, used to fund terrorism.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41942	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #159 - Nov 28^th, 2014 at 7:33pm Why the reluctance to provide evidence, FD if you're so sure? I've read the two articles you've linked to. Neither has firm proof, just more supposition and rumour. You don't think it's time as HB suggested, "you put up or shut up"?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #160 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 1:55pm Sorry FD - you're only smearing the muslim community by inferring (baselessly) that they go around giving terrorists money from stolen government funds. As long as we're not too specific eh? all muslims are all lying cheating scum - is fine - as long as its not anything specific
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #161 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 1:58pm

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

K Gandalf, let's play "can you tell the difference". I'll start. Can you tell the difference between these two statements?

Perhaps its more relevant for you to explain the difference between these two:

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FD seems to know a lot about criminal activities that the authorities are not aware of. For example the transfer of government money by Malik Fahd school to AFIC was definitely, no question, used to fund terrorism.

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freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 8:16am:

So do government funds given to Muslim-run private schools in Australia [go to terrorists].

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49081 At my desk.	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #162 - Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 8:33am polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 1:55pm: Sorry FD - you're only smearing the muslim community by inferring (baselessly) There I go again, saying things without actually saying them. What sort of black magic is this?
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #163 - Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 9:31am

freediver wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 8:33am:

gandalf wrote Yesterday at 1:55pm:
Sorry FD - you're only smearing the muslim community by inferring (baselessly)

There I go again, saying things without actually saying them. What sort of black magic is this?

I stand corrected. This is FD definitely not baselessly inferring that the muslim community go around giving terrorists money:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:10pm:

What do you think our highly respected Muslim community leaders do with the millions of dollars they steal from their own children's education funds?

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Should we turn a blind eye to the terrorism risks associated with Muslim community leaders siphoning off millions of dollars in government funds

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #164 - Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 11:31am FD, have you provided that evidence yet?
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