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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #30 - May 14th, 2014 at 9:54pm
 
Apparently it is a complete economic system, like national socialism or capitalism. That's about all I have been able to find out so far, other than tidbits about infidel taxes.
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #31 - May 14th, 2014 at 10:00pm
 
freediver wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 9:54pm:
Apparently it is a complete economic system, like national socialism or capitalism. That's about all I have been able to find out so far, other than tidbits about infidel taxes.


You mean Colonel.Sanders?

Good heavens, I never would have guessed. Reds under the beds, eh?
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #32 - May 15th, 2014 at 8:51am
 
Here you go Gandalf lets bring in a bit of truth.

The global halal market is estimated to be worth more than USD2.3 trillion, expanding by 20% per year. These schemes are not limited to food alone, with products and services ranging from halal certified cosmetics to water, trucks, warehousing and sharia finance there is no limit to the schemes. Plans are in place to certify every step of the market from suppliers of animal feed, to food processing and eventually the transport to your supermarket and shopping bag.
Companies who believe non-Muslims do not care then pass on the extra costs to consumers. Few products are labelled as certified halal. Most meat and dairy produce bought in supermarkets or when eating out are now halal certified, but not labelled. There is no other religious group imposing this on our supply chain.

An article from 2008 gives an idea of how lucrative ‘halal’ certification is to Islamic groups –re The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils – (one of about 17 certifying groups often linked to mosques)

(The) ‘AFIC is the biggest Islamic umbrella organisation in the country and is made up of dozens of representative Muslim bodies, which sit beneath the nine state and territory councils. It acts in an advisory role to governments and derives most of its income from rent on land that houses Muslim schools across the country, and the certification of halal food. It manages an annual budget of about $20 million and assets of about $50 million. (O'Brien, 2008 Australian)
1.Halal food is simply a religious food tax imposed by Muslims on non-Muslims.

2.Food prices are increased
as manufacturers pass this TOTALLY UNNECESSARY set of extra costs onto unsuspecting consumers

From various sources now prove me wrong Gandalf

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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #33 - May 15th, 2014 at 9:08am
 
wally1 wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 2:57pm:
Yes they fund alqaeda.Bin ladin comes to australia once a month and picks up the halal meat cheque. The then takes it to the stgeorge bank which is in the mountains and swaps the cheque for cash.



Nearly correct better luck next time.

Crescent Foods, a major U.S. halal foods manufacturer, has partnerships with two major Islamic groups that were named as co-conspirators during the terror finance trial against the Holy Land Foundation.

Crescent Foods has sponsored an events conducted by the Council for American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and has “teamed up” with the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) to create a national halal certification board. ISNA itself describes Crescent Foods president Ahmad Adam, a Palestinian Arab American, as a “founding member” of ISNA.

Court documents showed that CAIR and ISNA conspired with HLF in sending $12 million to Hamas in the early 2000s. The HLF was shut down and its former leaders are in prison. Federal prosecutors under attorney general Eric Holder have declined to prosecute CAIR and ISNA

…IFANCA is working with the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) to create a national halal standards and accreditation body. In 2007 and 2008, ISNA, which was co-founded by Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) leader Sami al-Arian, was named by the United Sates Justice Department as a co-conspirator in the financing of millions of dollars to Hamas. Just this past September, the Canadian government stripped ISNA of its tax status in Canada for the financing of a Pakistani terrorist group.

IFANCA is an active member of the Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago (CIOGC). Other members include: the Mosque Foundation (MF), which has held fundraisers for individuals and groups associated with PIJ and Hamas; Islamic Relief (IR), which has been associated with al-Qaeda financing and that was named by the Israeli government a front for Hamas; Helping Hand (HH), which partnered with a Pakistani charity at the same time that charity delivered close to $100,000 to the residence of the head of Hamas, Khaled Meshaal; and the Muslim American Society (MAS), which has used the internet to propagate materials degrading women, cursing Christians, and calling for the murder of Jews and homosexuals.


You muslim boys should keep your heads down a little longer at prayers this Friday and beg forgiveness for telling porkies.

https://moneyjihad.wordpress.com/tag/halal/
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #34 - May 15th, 2014 at 12:43pm
 
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(The) ‘AFIC is the biggest Islamic umbrella organisation in the country and is made up of dozens of representative Muslim bodies, which sit beneath the nine state and territory councils.


This is the group that was recently busted siphoning off millions of dollars in government funds that were supposed to go towards educating Muslim children. I am yet to figure out what these Muslims consider so much more important.
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #35 - May 15th, 2014 at 2:36pm
 
Adamant wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 7:45pm:
It is about time you owned up to the crap in your opening retort.

Common bloody liar aren't you Gandalf.

Or are you just a typical muslim?


See if you can manage two consecutive posts without resorting to personal abuse Adamant.  Smiley

As to this claim of mine you are having so much difficulty with, we can easily settle this once and for all if you simply demonstrate to me that halal certified products are more expensive than their non-halal equivalents.

But you won't - just like all the other people who screech about this "halal tax" won't - because it doesn't happen.
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #36 - May 15th, 2014 at 3:08pm
 
Adamant wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 8:51am:
Companies who believe non-Muslims do not care then pass on the extra costs to consumers.


Actually scratch my previous reply - no need to demonstrate an actual example of this, a hate site saying its so is more than adequate proof.

Thanks Adamant, that sure showed me  Smiley
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #37 - May 15th, 2014 at 9:16pm
 
Obviously it is not going to be cheaper, because the consequences of not paying the tax is the loss of business. This makes the company less profitable, so they have to charge more for what they can still sell in order to stay in business. Either that or go bankrupt.

Furthermore, the tax and barriers to trade affect the entire industry. It is market forces that determine the price. No company is going to offer a discount if they can sell the same quantity of product for a higher price. Likewise, no company is going to pass on increased costs if their competitors do not and the outcome is that they sell nothing. Your demand that we trace specific prices back to the tax merely reflects your complete lack of understanding of basic economics. I can only assume that this rejection of reality comes with your unquestioning acceptance of alternative Islamic concepts of economics. Feel free to explain to us the reason why you sprout this nonsense.

Do you still insist that the halal tax being imposed by the Indonesian government is not in fact a tax? Or do you concede that this claim of yours was just more Muslim taqiyya?
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Reply #38 - May 15th, 2014 at 10:18pm
 
Amazing how FD throws every economic principle out the window when it comes to Islam.

Even Yoplait yoghurt is halal.

I blame economics - I mean, Islam.
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #39 - May 15th, 2014 at 10:21pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 12:01pm:
Sparky wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 11:26am:
What about the rest of the world?


What about them?

I'm more concerned about what happens in my own backyard. But you're free to go to Indonesia and tell them how to run their own country if you really want to.



Seems somebody should.

You seen the utter mess they have made of it?
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Reply #40 - May 15th, 2014 at 11:19pm
 
freediver wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:16pm:
Your demand that we trace specific prices back to the tax merely reflects your complete lack of understanding of basic economics.


FD my demand is that claims such as this:

Adamant wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 8:51am:
Companies who believe non-Muslims do not care then pass on the extra costs to consumers.


...should be substantiated.

Thats what the OP was about - islamophobes screeching on and on about this extra cost that consumers have to pay, yet never being able to demonstrate that there is any extra cost to the consumer.
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Reply #41 - May 15th, 2014 at 11:28pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 10:18pm:
Amazing how FD throws every economic principle out the window when it comes to Islam.

Even Yoplait yoghurt is halal.


In Australia KFC uses halal slaughtered chicken - then doesn't even sell a halal product FFS  Roll Eyes
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #42 - May 16th, 2014 at 8:23am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 11:19pm:
freediver wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:16pm:
Your demand that we trace specific prices back to the tax merely reflects your complete lack of understanding of basic economics.


FD my demand is that claims such as this:

Adamant wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 8:51am:
Companies who believe non-Muslims do not care then pass on the extra costs to consumers.


...should be substantiated.

Thats what the OP was about - islamophobes screeching on and on about this extra cost that consumers have to pay, yet never being able to demonstrate that there is any extra cost to the consumer.


No Gandalf. The OP was about you trotting out more Muslim taqiyya. You tried to pretend that this tax is not in fact a tax, even though we have had the same discussion on several other threads already. You did not make this argument out of ignorance. Now you are demanding that we substantiate the forces of supply and demand. If you want to argue that companies do not pass on the costs they occur, you substantiate that. We are not going to try to prove the bleeding obvious to someone who rejects reality as their opening gambit.
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #43 - May 16th, 2014 at 12:37pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 11:57am:
Central to this (orchestrated) panic is the idea that consumers are being slugged with a halal-certification tax - which, needless to say, is being used to fund terrorists and all the rest of it. Type in any search related to the key words "halal certified meat" and you will be inundated with thousands of islamophobic sites talking about consumers being forced to pay for the halal certification that has been issued to a range of food products available on the supermarket shelf.

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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #44 - May 16th, 2014 at 12:53pm
 
freediver wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 8:23am:
If you want to argue that companies do not pass on the costs they occur, you substantiate that.


Sure - a halal certified breast of chicken in woolworths is no more expensive than the equivalent non-halal certified breast of chicken. Its pretty basic stuff FD - if a non-muslim consumer saw two equivalent products side by side and one was more expensive than the other, then the expensive product will go out of business. And yes, non-halal and halal chicken is served side by side at the supermarkets.

KFC are supplied with halal certified chickens, but do not sell a halal product (because of the added seasoning). Why would they do this?

The "tax" is worn by the meat processor, because the profitability of having a halal product far outweighs the small halal certification fee.
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