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About that "infidel tax" on halal products
May 13th, 2014 at 11:57am
 
As you may have noticed there has been a massive moral panic in the UK about the growth of halal certified products, which has permeated into Australia.

Central to this (orchestrated) panic is the idea that consumers are being slugged with a halal-certification tax - which, needless to say, is being used to fund terrorists and all the rest of it. Type in any search related to the key words "halal certified meat" and you will be inundated with thousands of islamophobic sites talking about consumers being forced to pay for the halal certification that has been issued to a range of food products available on the supermarket shelf.

Peeling away the hysteria, its worthwhile understanding the actual facts of this issue:

1. Abbattoirs who are halal certified do get charged a fee to a recognised islamic body to have their facility halal certified.

2. The argument about consumers being charged a 'halal tax' is based on the completely baseless assumption that the meat processes pass on their halal-certification fees on to the consumer.

Read any of the islamophobic sites that screech about this halal tax - or "infidel tax", and not one of them will give you any actual figures for what the consumer is charged for this tax on any given product. This is because the idea is an unfounded assumption based entirely on a flawed and over-simplified understanding of the market - and not on any actual hard facts. The islamophobes peddling this campaign could very easily prove their point by comparing a known halal-certified product with its non-halal certified equivalent product - and simply illustrating the price difference. But they don't - why is that?

Now here's a thought...

- The islamophobes won't demonstrate the halal tax in practice, because, quite simply, the meat processes do not pass on their halal certification costs to the consumer.

- Maybe the business advantage of having a halal-certified product (ie increasing their customer base) overshadows, by a very large margin, the (relatively) small halal-certification fee.

Finally, I'll inject some very simple common sense into this illogical and hysterical debate: looking at it from a purely business point of view, these meat processors are free to continue with their non-halal certified meat processing, yet choose to apply for halal certification with all the associated certification fees that comes with it. Why would they willingly (and discounting the hilariously baseless claim that these processors are forced or coerced by intimidating muslims to make themselves halal) make this decision? Why would any business make a business decision they know would adversely affect their bottom line? The only sensible and logical conclusion is that these processors want to jump on the halal bandwagon because they know it will be profitable for them.
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #1 - May 13th, 2014 at 1:19pm
 
Your last point is spot on gandalf and i have actually said the same thing before months ago on this forum.

Butchers or abboitors dont care what muslims want or care about there needs, the profit they make is what is important to them.

Dont think the issue of halal slaughter is not that big of a issue, alot of non-muslims do support the halal slaughter of animals, there is a funny clip by actor and comedian Russell brand for example supporting halal slaughter.
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Reply #2 - May 13th, 2014 at 1:39pm
 
Indeed.

The islamophobes will have you believe there is a groundswell of resentment amongst the community who are demanding the choice to not pay this infidel tax.

If that were true, then market forces would kick in - and you'd get a whole new range of products flooding the shelves proudly labelled "ingredients contain *NO* halal certified products".

But that doesn't happen - why? Because most people simply don't give a rats arse about which way their beef was facing and what was chanted while it was being slaughtered, and the influx of halal products is certainly not hitting their hip pocket.
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Reply #3 - May 13th, 2014 at 1:43pm
 
Excellent budget initiative, leftards. Peter the Great had a beard tax. Why not tax the 99% population of infidels to pay off Labor’s debt?

Thoughts?
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Reply #4 - May 13th, 2014 at 1:53pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 1:43pm:
Excellent budget initiative, leftards. Peter the Great had a beard tax. Why not tax the 99% population of infidels to pay off Labor’s debt?

Thoughts?


How about renaming the carbon tax a 'petrol levy'?

We could exempt special people from paying the tax -  like mining billionaires.

Are Australians Gina Rinehart's dhimmis? Perhaps Clive Palmer or Kerry Stokes has the answer?
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Reply #5 - May 13th, 2014 at 2:50pm
 
I don't want to support people like Boko Haram, so i studiously avoid buying any product in my supermarket [or anywhere else] which has halal-certification.

[........except, of course, Cadbury's Dairy Block chocolate, and the cask of red wine!!]



You do not believe, that halal-certification fees [in Western nations] go to aid groups like Boko Haram, and Al Qaeda ???

Then you are a disbeliever!!!!!!

An infidel!!!!!


Smiley


And God curses you.

Ask gandalf!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #6 - May 13th, 2014 at 2:57pm
 
Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
I don't want to support people like Boko Haram, so i studiously avoid buying any product in my supermarket [or anywhere else] which has halal-certification.

[........except, of course, Cadbury's Dairy Block chocolate, and the cask of red wine!!]



You do not believe, that halal-certification fees [in Western nations] go to aid groups like Boko Haram, and Al Qaeda ???

Then you are a disbeliever!!!!!!

An infidel!!!!!


Smiley


And God curses you.

Ask gandalf!



Yes they fund alqaeda.

Bin ladin comes to australia once a month and picks up the halal meat cheque. The then takes it to the stgeorge bank which is in the mountains and swaps the cheque for cash.
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Reply #7 - May 13th, 2014 at 3:02pm
 
wally1 wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 2:57pm:
Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
I don't want to support people like Boko Haram, so i studiously avoid buying any product in my supermarket [or anywhere else] which has halal-certification.

[........except, of course, Cadbury's Dairy Block chocolate, and the cask of red wine!!]



You do not believe, that halal-certification fees [in Western nations] go to aid groups like Boko Haram, and Al Qaeda ???

Then you are a disbeliever!!!!!!

An infidel!!!!!


Smiley


And God curses you.

Ask gandalf!



Yes they fund alqaeda.

Bin ladin comes to australia once a month and picks up the halal meat cheque. The then takes it to the stgeorge bank which is in the mountains and swaps the cheque for cash.




I knew it!!!!!!!!!!

[psssssst! ASIO, you reading this?]



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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #8 - May 13th, 2014 at 3:52pm
 
Why should Australia get all that export money from the Middle East?

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DID YOU KNOW?

1/3 of the world’s population is Muslim
There are approximately 2 billion Halal food consumers worldwide
The global Halal food industry is worth US$ 667 billion
20% of global food trade is Halal
Annual growth in Halal food consumption is 16% (Halal Food Middle East, 2012)


Probably New Zealand is more deserving of this trade. Let the kiwis have it I suppose. Australia has enough money already.




Anyway, it will be better if Muslims buy products only from Muslim suppliers - keep the money in the community.

I demand that big corporations stop exploiting the Muslim community, and stop stripping money out of the community!
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polite_gandalf wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 11:57am:
As you may have noticed there has been a massive moral panic in the UK about the growth of halal certified products, which has permeated into Australia.

Central to this (orchestrated) panic is the idea that consumers are being slugged with a halal-certification tax - which, needless to say, is being used to fund terrorists and all the rest of it. Type in any search related to the key words "halal certified meat" and you will be inundated with thousands of islamophobic sites talking about consumers being forced to pay for the halal certification that has been issued to a range of food products available on the supermarket shelf.

Peeling away the hysteria, its worthwhile understanding the actual facts of this issue:

1. Abbattoirs who are halal certified do get charged a fee to a recognised islamic body to have their facility halal certified.

2. The argument about consumers being charged a 'halal tax' is based on the completely baseless assumption that the meat processes pass on their halal-certification fees on to the consumer.

Read any of the islamophobic sites that screech about this halal tax - or "infidel tax", and not one of them will give you any actual figures for what the consumer is charged for this tax on any given product. This is because the idea is an unfounded assumption based entirely on a flawed and over-simplified understanding of the market - and not on any actual hard facts. The islamophobes peddling this campaign could very easily prove their point by comparing a known halal-certified product with its non-halal certified equivalent product - and simply illustrating the price difference. But they don't - why is that?

Now here's a thought...

- The islamophobes won't demonstrate the halal tax in practice, because, quite simply, the meat processes do not pass on their halal certification costs to the consumer.

- Maybe the business advantage of having a halal-certified product (ie increasing their customer base) overshadows, by a very large margin, the (relatively) small halal-certification fee.

Finally, I'll inject some very simple common sense into this illogical and hysterical debate: looking at it from a purely business point of view, these meat processors are free to continue with their non-halal certified meat processing, yet choose to apply for halal certification with all the associated certification fees that comes with it. Why would they willingly (and discounting the hilariously baseless claim that these processors are forced or coerced by intimidating muslims to make themselves halal) make this decision? Why would any business make a business decision they know would adversely affect their bottom line? The only sensible and logical conclusion is that these processors want to jump on the halal bandwagon because they know it will be profitable for them.
Why can't you just bloody eat the meat without your stupid prayers? What does it matter? When is the world going to move on from witchcraft?
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #10 - May 13th, 2014 at 4:04pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 11:57am:
quite simply, the meat processes do not pass on their halal certification costs to the consumer.


I work for myself Gandalf and pass on all input costs as I refuse to work for free!

Please give me a link to your assumption.

How would you like to be forced to eat something you did not agree with, pork for instance?

wally1 wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 1:19pm:
alot of non-muslims do support the halal slaughter of animals


alot? Link please to this supporter base?

An abattoir in central Qld balked at the cost of Halal certification and refused to pay the $27k per month just last year.

http://www.news.com.au/national/aussie-firms-paying-inflated-price-to-have-halal...

I have an idea to make it equal though. Muslims pay for all other Australians grog bills and we will call it evens. What say you Gandalf fair exchange is no robbery!

Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
[........except, of course, Cadbury's Dairy Block chocolate, and the cask of red wine!!]


COOOOON cheese, Vegemite.........ad nauseam http://www.halalchoices.com.au/



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Reply #11 - May 13th, 2014 at 4:12pm
 
Sparky wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 3:55pm:
Why can't you just bloody eat the meat without your stupid prayers? What does it matter? When is the world going to move on from witchcraft?


Let me know when mankind creates their own animal to eat - then we can stop showing gratitude to God for what we eat. (Of course, you would be eating with your God-given mouth, and your God-given digestive system, but why let that stop your ingratitude?)
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Reply #12 - May 13th, 2014 at 4:15pm
 
Does anyone know what this symbol is and where money from this organisation gets spent?

...

I would hate to think that any money I spent would end up funding rabbis sucking baby penis in some weird circumcision ritual.
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Reply #13 - May 13th, 2014 at 4:58pm
 
True Colours wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 4:15pm:
Does anyone know what this symbol is and where money from this organisation gets spent?

http://www.zincfedsq.com.au/images/kosher-australia.jpg

I would hate to think that any money I spent would end up funding rabbis sucking baby penis in some weird circumcision ritual.
Aren't they the same people? Same stupid eating habits.
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Reply #14 - May 13th, 2014 at 5:03pm
 
True Colours wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 4:12pm:
Sparky wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 3:55pm:
Why can't you just bloody eat the meat without your stupid prayers? What does it matter? When is the world going to move on from witchcraft?


Let me know when mankind creates their own animal to eat - then we can stop showing gratitude to God for what we eat. (Of course, you would be eating with your God-given mouth, and your God-given digestive system, but why let that stop your ingratitude?)
I hate to break it to you my friend but god doesn't exist. The animals are at our mercy. Isn't it cruel. How about we at least kill them quickly and as humanely possible without the religious BS?
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