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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #75 - May 18^th, 2014 at 10:49am

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

If we flip the Bismallah

If we are taking this as what John was shown, including words from a different language, why would he be shown it anything other than the correct way?

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

we can see a striking similarity to the Codex Vaticanus, which is widely believed to be the oldest known Greek manuscript still extant, dated circa 350 CE.

This is very misleading. The Codex Vaticanus is a very old scripture of some of the books, but revelation is not one of them. It was added to the document over a millennium later.

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The extant New Testament of the Vaticanus contains the Gospels, Acts, the General Epistles, the Pauline Epistles, and the Epistle to the Hebrews (up to Hebrews 9:14, καθα[ριει); it is lacking 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, and Revelation. These missing leaves were supplemented by a 15th-century minuscule hand (folios 760–768) and are catalogued separately as the minuscule Codex 1957.

moses wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

The line above the xi (under the words “A.D. 350”) is not an underline, but is actually part of the hand-written text.

A line in this context signifies a number, and due to the surrounding words saying it is a number, there is no reason to think that it is anything else.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #76 - May 18^th, 2014 at 11:06am stratos I have looked on the net for the actual text and have discovered that it is as described I believe the message is correct.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #77 - May 18^th, 2014 at 11:35am You realise that text is over a thousand years AFTER the vision was supposed to take place correct? And that the line is not part of the text but signifies it as a number? And the the biblical text mentions specifically it is a number it is referring to?
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #78 - May 18^th, 2014 at 12:25pm

Stratos wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

You realise that text is over a thousand years AFTER the vision was supposed to take place correct?

And that the line is not part of the text but signifies it as a number?

And the the biblical text mentions specifically it is a number it is referring to?

Stratos,

Bismillah is the number, or the 'mark', of a man.

Bismillah is the number, or the 'mark', which identifies a man.

Which man ?

The man who pronounces Bismillah.

Bismillah

"In the name of Allah, most Gracious, most Compassionate".

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #79 - May 18^th, 2014 at 12:41pm Quote: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six It's a number through any explanation that doesn't involve a tinfoil hat.
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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #80 - May 18^th, 2014 at 1:19pm

That the credibility of the whole thing in a nutshell, an ancient greek looking at bismallah can make no sense of it, turned on it's side it becomes 666 in ancient greek text to him.

So I look at islam's track record of depravity and evilness it is an odds on certainty for the beast.

I look at halal, it's fits the mark of the beast to buy and sell.

I'm on the side of this message being truth.

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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #81 - May 18^th, 2014 at 1:23pm

moses wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 1:19pm:

That the credibility of the whole thing in a nutshell, an ancient greek looking at bismallah can make no sense of it, turned on it's side it becomes 666 in ancient greek text to him.

you aren't looking at the ancient Greek, you are looking at a 15th century manuscript

moses wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 1:19pm:

I look at halal, it's fits the mark of the beast to buy and sell.

Why, when the Bible very specifically points out three times in the verse that it is a number?

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #82 - May 18^th, 2014 at 2:08pm

Stratos wrote
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you aren't looking at the ancient Greek, you are looking at a 15th century manuscript

According to the internet I'm looking at a copy the ancient text.

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I look at halal, it's fits the mark of the beast to buy and sell.

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Why, when the Bible very specifically points out three times in the verse that it is a number?

Not how I see it at all:

Revelations 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

So to buy and sell you need the mark or the name or the number.

A halal certificate issued in the name of the beast, becomes the mark of the beast to buy and sell.

The beast certainly is not just a number.

The number is the indication to recognize the beast.

13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

bismallah to an ancient greek would be just gibberish, on it's side it's 666 in his text, the number of the beast

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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #83 - May 18^th, 2014 at 2:15pm

moses wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

According to the internet I'm looking at a copy the ancient text.

The story comes from the Codex Vaticanus, one of the oldest manuscripts of some of the Biblical books, however, the Revelation that appears in that book was added much later in the 15th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #84 - May 18^th, 2014 at 2:32pm

On the original topic.

- Maybe the business advantage of having a halal-certified product (ie increasing their customer base) overshadows, by a very large margin, the (relatively) small halal-certification fee.

Finally, I'll inject some very simple common sense into this illogical and hysterical debate: looking at it from a purely business point of view, these meat processors are free to continue with their non-halal certified meat processing, yet choose to apply for halal certification with all the associated certification fees that comes with it. Why would they willingly (and discounting the hilariously baseless claim that these processors are forced or coerced by intimidating muslims to make themselves halal) make this decision? Why would any business make a business decision they know would adversely affect their bottom line? The only sensible and logical conclusion is that these processors want to jump on the halal bandwagon because they know it will be profitable for them.

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What is sad is the amount of gullible people out there that think being halal certified means anything different to the end product on the plate.

More to the point is the flow of this tenney weeney portrayed Muslim Tax to be Halal certified. The money trail is well hidden when investigated. I have seen 2 investigations into where this money goes and mum's the word when they are asked if it goes to terrorist and other dubious organizations. Not only that they still won't fess up where it goes.

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Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products
Reply #85 - May 18^th, 2014 at 2:56pm

Stratos wrote: Quote:

The story comes from the Codex Vaticanus, one of the oldest manuscripts of some of the Biblical books, however, the Revelation that appears in that book was added much later in the 15th century.

I fail to see the relevance.

Wasn't the original revelation given to John?

The original scriptures had many different authors and languages.

The Greek version put them all together in a single language. It is recognized as an authentic translation of the original languages and authors.

As a footnote Stratos

Christianity was born in Israel. By the end of the first century, it had spread throughout the Roman Empire and was armed with a new holy book: the New Testament. This collection of inspired Scriptures had been added to the Hebrew Scriptures, the Tenach, which Christians call the Old Testament. The new writings, composed primarily of the Gospels and the Epistles, were distributed widely in the Greek language. It seems fairly certain that the Gospels of Luke and John, the Book of Acts, the Epistles, and the Book of Revelation were originally written in Greek,

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Copying the original written in Greek, to the accepted Greek Version we are quoting would have been a breeze, the text is genuine

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #86 - May 18^th, 2014 at 3:24pm Has anyone noticed that Gandalf has Gone AWOL on this subject? Abu (Father) Rashid used to do it when he was found to be telling "porkies".
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #87 - May 18^th, 2014 at 3:41pm that's a beastly act on his part
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #88 - May 19^th, 2014 at 9:54am Gandalf do you think these swarthy looking purveyor's of the finest Arabic cuisine paid the halal tax on this gastronomic delight? P/S I would of thought it haram tucker personally.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: About that "infidel tax" on halal products Reply #89 - May 19^th, 2014 at 12:51pm ‘It must be halal meat — it’s disagreeing with me.’
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