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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Where's their Smoke? Reply #15 - May 15^th, 2014 at 11:53pm John Smith wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 11:51pm: [ and there you have it, dopey .... neither you nor I get to chose where the taxes are used ... you just get to pay them. get to chose? Quote: Now be gentle with your boyfriend, i hear his hemorroids are playing up again .... hemorrids/?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74311 Gender:	Re: Where's their Smoke? Reply #16 - May 15^th, 2014 at 11:58pm why am I not surprised that all you got out of it was the spelling errors? It's not like you got it right either dopey ....
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Where's their Smoke? Reply #17 - May 16^th, 2014 at 12:03am A random spelling error is just that, random. But every post you make contains spelling errors, not a sign of literacy.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74311 Gender:	Re: Where's their Smoke? Reply #18 - May 16^th, 2014 at 12:05am ian wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 12:03am: A random spelling error is just that, random. But every post you make contains spelling errors, not a sign of literacy. yes I know,... It's another case of 'one rule for me, another for everyone else' it's fvcken midnight .... spelling is going to suffer ... fool
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Reply #19 - May 16^th, 2014 at 6:33am

Gave up smoking 37 years ago when I was 21. Started very young. Can't stand the acrid smell & in the open it travels further than you think.

But the biggest irk for me is the littering aspect - so called considerate smokers still display their ignorance by flicking them everywhere. The stench from these in areas used in high concentration by smokers is gut churning.

They are one of our most prevalent litter sources & the clean up costs plenty.

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Reply #20 - May 16^th, 2014 at 6:53am

austranger wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

True Blue... wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

austranger wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

I am a smker, but I try to be a considerate one at all times. I never smoke in anyone else's place, not even on their property, if I must I go out on the street, if it's raining then I don't light up at all.
I don't smoke near anyone, anywhere, and I won't anywhere there's children, I don't even smoke in my own car.

Admittedly, the main reason I'm so considerate is that it cuts down on my smoking, a lot, as well as keeping it friendly. Wink

I've literally tried everything to give up, hypno, acupuncture, cold turkey, gum, patches, you name it, I've tried it, all to no avail.
I read somewhere a Doc claimed that if you were addicted during puberty then giving up was virtually impossible. I don't know if that's true but it certainly seems so, I started at 9. Shocked

As for Melbourne, they can go ahead, I think it's crazy and almost unenforceable but so what?

good god man.. get a grip..

if you haven't given up yet its because you don't really want to ...

career smokers rarely give up... they are hooked... they don't really want to..

a workmate of the mrs recently had a biopsy on a lump in her brain... turns out it is secondary cancer/tumour... a cancer caused by the main cancer in her body which was lung cancer...

so... you know.. enjoy the rest of your life while you can...

You have no idea how boring such sanctimonious simplistic declarations get after a while. Roll Eyes

      I'm not going to try defending my addiction, I hate it and would gladly be rid of it if I could, so don't bother preaching to me, it's all been said and done a hundred times before.
      I've already had run-ins with cancer,( skin, bone, and a benign lump in my foot), all non smoking related, and I've lived a full life anyway, on top of my disabilities, so smoking killing me isn't much of a problem for me, unfortunate but true.
      Emphysema scares me, but no sign of that yet, thankfully, and I'll cross that bridge if I ever come to it.
      Still trying to give up every day though, I fight myself before every ciggy and don't buy more after running out until I'm climbing the walls, I'm hoping I'll somehow wean myself off that way, it's all I've got left to try.
   Lish We Muck Wink

no that's ok...

the Tax Payer will pay the tens of thousand of dollars that it takes to care for a lung cancer patient who has self inflicted their own injuries... Roll Eyes

you haven't given up because you don't really want to..

you've made it a part of your life...

most career smokers will not have a fair dinkum go unless they get a fright of their lives... a life changing moment...

lose the excuses and man up...

good luck..

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Reply #21 - May 16^th, 2014 at 8:25am

John Smith wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 12:05am:

ian wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 12:03am:

A random spelling error is just that, random. But every post you make contains spelling errors, not a sign of literacy.

yes I know,... It's another case of 'one rule for me, another for everyone else'

it's fvcken midnight .... spelling is going to suffer ... fool

Pretty sure the english language spelling rules apply to all speakers of the english language. What happens at midnight , does your IQ automatically drop after this time?

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Reply #22 - May 16^th, 2014 at 8:36am

I've never smoked and loathe the smell with a passion, too, but I am not too sure how workable it is. I think it will come in one day but I'm just not sure if the general mind set is ready yet.
And fair's fair. If the city is to be a smoke free place, how's about we make it a drug free zone also, and heavily fine anyone caught using them there. Or is that too hard? Is it easier to pick on the more law abiding folk, because after all, cigarettes are legal.

The reason I wonder if declaring the city a smoke free zone would work is-we already have smoke free zones. The entire grounds of ANY hospital are usually smoke free-with easy to see demarcation points- fencing, clear signs etc
All school grounds are smoke free zones too.

Yet I defy any of you to enter hospital grounds and not see dozens of people puffing away. They won't do it indoors, that is true, but they go outside. I saw a whole pack of them under one of the no smoking signs over at Monash medical centre the other day. I was almost tempted to take a photo with my phone but didn't quite have the front to carry through with it.

And at Dandenong hospital, I saw a little group in wheelchairs all outside the entrance, 2 days in a row, puffing and smoking.
And at Moorabbin hospital, where there is a security man at the entrance, the smokers move down the path a little.

They know they are not meant to, but it is rife at every hospital with visitors and patients alike smoking like chimneys.

How we could stop it in an entire city area, I have no idea.

It is no point having a law or regulation unless you enforce it. No point at all.

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Reply #23 - May 16^th, 2014 at 9:00am

I stopped smoking January last year but not because I particularly wanted to it just sort of happened. I wasn't too well and had to have a scan on my legs. When I rang to make the appointment I was told, nothing to eat, nothing to drink and no smoking for 12 hours before the scan. Now for me this was almost impossible so I had to do something. I had heard about the electronic cigarettes and I went and bought one. I only intended to use it for the one day but I haven't had a cigarette from that day to this. An electronic cigarette, nicotine free, menthol flavoured liquid worked for me.

It doesn't worry me to be around people who smoke and I agree with the smoking laws in buildings etc but if the Government is serious about stopping people smoking they should ban cigarettes altogether. Of course that would never happen firstly because they want the taxes they collect and secondly there would always be a back market ready to supply anyone who wanted smokes.

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Rider Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2669 OnTheRoad Gender:	Re: Where's their Smoke? Reply #24 - May 16^th, 2014 at 9:24am pretty ambitious aim, not gonna fly of course but i hope it morphs into total no smoking in Melbourne cafes street side / outdoor areas. Nothing spoils a coffee quicker than some dipsh1t having a fag next to you.
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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Where's their Smoke? Reply #25 - May 16^th, 2014 at 9:35am ian wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 8:25am: Pretty sure the english language spelling rules apply to all speakers of the english language. As does capitalisation of the word "English".
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Where's their Smoke? Reply #26 - May 16^th, 2014 at 9:42am You are right Frances, a post by what appears to be a drunken monkey spouting unintelligible gibberish pales in comparison to mine failing to capitalize one word.
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Reply #27 - May 16^th, 2014 at 9:43am

ian wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 10:33pm:

Smokers who refuse to give up should legally be unable to access medical resources afforded the rest of us. I support peoples right to smoke, I do not support and resent my taxes being paid to support these drug addicts.

I'm with ian all the way on this one.

People like those in the pics below should not be allowed back inside the hospital:

Bring on smoke-free CBDs, right across the country.

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Reply #28 - May 16^th, 2014 at 9:55am

Go to any major hospital and witness patients outside smoking hooked up to iv drips and what not. Then walk inside also and take a gander at the demographics of the people sitting in triage. I am in favor of maintaining a universal health system but we cannot have people unwilling to change their self destructive habits consuming the most resources, this is the unfairness and is the primary thing which needs to change in my opinion.

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Reply #29 - May 16^th, 2014 at 10:02am

John Smith wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

I'm not a smoker (anymore, quit 7 yrs ago) but this is ridiculous ... we don't want them smoking inside, and now they can't smoke outside? Either ban cigarettes or leave the smokers alone. You can't have it both ways.

Technically you can, though it should be more you can't smoke where it affects others who don't want to be affected.

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