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Re: Where's their Smoke?
Reply #45 - May 16^th, 2014 at 1:54pm

Kytro wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 10:02am:

John Smith wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

I'm not a smoker (anymore, quit 7 yrs ago) but this is ridiculous ... we don't want them smoking inside, and now they can't smoke outside? Either ban cigarettes or leave the smokers alone. You can't have it both ways.

Technically you can, though it should be more you can't smoke where it affects others who don't want to be affected.

no you can't you can be either inside, or outside ...

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Reply #46 - May 16^th, 2014 at 2:00pm

John Smith wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

Kytro wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 10:02am:

John Smith wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:02pm:

I'm not a smoker (anymore, quit 7 yrs ago) but this is ridiculous ... we don't want them smoking inside, and now they can't smoke outside? Either ban cigarettes or leave the smokers alone. You can't have it both ways.

Technically you can, though it should be more you can't smoke where it affects others who don't want to be affected.

no you can't you can be either inside, or outside ...

Yep, completely agree John ( yeah, a shock , huh??)

And Kytro, how do you define 'affects others'??? is that a scientifically measurable 'affect' or a psychological or emotional affect?

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Where's their Smoke?
Reply #47 - May 16^th, 2014 at 2:14pm

King FriYAY II wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

King FriYAY II wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

Please don’t smoke near me whilst out doors…..you’re ruining my poisoning from the traffic's exhaust.

There's no traffic in outdoor pedestrian malls (where smoking is banned in Perth and Hobart).

And ...

"People who smoke cigarettes are pumping out 10 times more toxic air than cars, say experts.

"Tobacco smoke produced far more fine particulate matter - the element of air pollution most dangerous for health - than diesel exhaust."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3590578.stm

I'd have no problem if they banned cars from the CBD too.

I'll go sit in the car and smoke for an hour.

You go hook up your exhaust and sit in the car for an hour.

We'll compare notes afterwards...

NOTE: Please write your notes clearly (and really smacking fast!!! lol)

Wink

When they refer to "air pollution", they are talking about the air outdoors, as opposed to enclosed spaces.

("They also support growing calls for a smoking ban in enclosed public spaces.")

Just ban smoking and cars from the CBD.

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Reply #48 - May 16^th, 2014 at 2:37pm

John Smith wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

ian wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

John Smith wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 12:05am:

ian wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 12:03am:

A random spelling error is just that, random. But every post you make contains spelling errors, not a sign of literacy.

yes I know,... It's another case of 'one rule for me, another for everyone else'

it's fvcken midnight .... spelling is going to suffer ... fool

Pretty sure the english language spelling rules apply to all speakers of the english language. What happens at midnight , does your IQ automatically drop after this time?

were you dropped on your head as a child? felt a little unloved perhaps? your boyfriend wasn't around much?

at midnight people get tired .... Cheesy

is it midnight already John Cheesy

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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: Where's their Smoke? Reply #49 - May 16^th, 2014 at 3:59pm John Smith wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 1:54pm: no you can't you can be either inside, or outside ... It's not inside and outside of all places though, only some.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Where's their Smoke? Reply #50 - May 16^th, 2014 at 4:01pm Kytro wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:59pm: John Smith wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 1:54pm: no you can't you can be either inside, or outside ... It's not inside and outside of all places though, only some. Actually...every place has an 'inside and outside'
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Re: Where's their Smoke?
Reply #51 - May 16^th, 2014 at 4:02pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

And Kytro, how do you define 'affects others'??? is that a scientifically measurable 'affect' or a psychological or emotional affect?

I think it's pretty reasonable thing to figure out. Don't smoke where people who don't want to breathe it are likely to do so. This attitude applies to other things well, not just smoking.

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Reply #52 - May 16^th, 2014 at 4:05pm

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Yeah. They're scared now

Truth's out

Most of the world knows and photographs Chemtrails which our governments are not only breaking our budgets to finance but which are poisoning our kids in the backyard and school playground not to mention gardeners, golfers, etc. etc.

Yeah, the Chemtrails are beginning to bite

Woman over the road just died from lung cancer. She's never smoked, lived healthily, etc.

People are falling victim to Chemtrails -- same Chemtrails our government refuses to discuss despite numerous overseas nations having made documentaries about them, etc.

That's why they began the Evil Cigarettes agenda back then. And have been pumping it up ever since. Despite that the US Surgeon General has not been able to provide one body which died from anything remotely connected to the 'second hand smoke' myth

and despite that of all smokers, even those who're life-long smokers, only 15% die from smoking related illness

Gee, check the tally of deaths which even OUR GOVERNMENT attributes to what's known as 'medical error' !

In 1995, it was stated in Parliament that 'medical error' kills up to 50,000 Australians every year, with the lowest estimate they could come up with being 18,000

That's more than car accidents, troop casualties here and overseas, poisonings, drownings, homicides, diseases of all kinds

But they've been told from above to blame smoking and you'll notice the whore media plugs the fiction at every opportunity

Chemtrails, dears

Chemtrails

but you won't wake up until way too late

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Reply #53 - May 16^th, 2014 at 5:41pm

Kytro wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

And Kytro, how do you define 'affects others'??? is that a scientifically measurable 'affect' or a psychological or emotional affect?

I think it's pretty reasonable thing to figure out. Don't smoke where people who don't want to breathe it are likely to do so. This attitude applies to other things well, not just smoking.

Ok, NO that's NOT at all 'reasonable'. The whole concept of choice does really exist.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #54 - May 16^th, 2014 at 6:25pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Kytro wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

John Smith wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

no you can't you can be either inside, or outside ...

It's not inside and outside of all places though, only some.

Actually...every place has an 'inside and outside'

Indeed. In both cases it depends on the place as to if it is allowed there or not.

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Reply #55 - May 16^th, 2014 at 6:28pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

Kytro wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

And Kytro, how do you define 'affects others'??? is that a scientifically measurable 'affect' or a psychological or emotional affect?

I think it's pretty reasonable thing to figure out. Don't smoke where people who don't want to breathe it are likely to do so. This attitude applies to other things well, not just smoking.

Ok, NO that's NOT at all 'reasonable'. The whole concept of choice does really exist.

You can choose to rob people to, doesn't mean there are not consequences. Just because a thing is legal in some circumstances does not mean it always is or should be.

It's not only unreasonable to smoke at a bus stop where people need to wait for a bus, it's rude to do so. A rule saying you can't smoke there is perfectly acceptable.

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Reply #56 - May 16^th, 2014 at 6:31pm

Kytro wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

Kytro wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

And Kytro, how do you define 'affects others'??? is that a scientifically measurable 'affect' or a psychological or emotional affect?

I think it's pretty reasonable thing to figure out. Don't smoke where people who don't want to breathe it are likely to do so. This attitude applies to other things well, not just smoking.

Ok, NO that's NOT at all 'reasonable'. The whole concept of choice does really exist.

You can choose to rob people to, doesn't mean there are not consequences. Just because a thing is legal in some circumstances does not mean it always is or should be.

It's not only unreasonable to smoke at a bus stop where people need to wait for a bus, it's rude to do so. A rule saying you can't smoke there is perfectly acceptable.

Can you repeat that in English?? or can you only speak in ' idiot'???

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Where's their Smoke?
Reply #57 - May 16^th, 2014 at 6:38pm

I will only speak from my own experience and perceptions, as a non smoker, my immediate family are also non smokers, bar 1, but I don't care if people choose to smoke, or are addicted to smoking. All I ask is when they're in my home, they don't. What they do in their own homes, is their business. If they smoke out doors, so what? There is plenty of air for everyone. If you don't want to be where people are smoking, don't. Common sense, live and let live.

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Reply #58 - May 16^th, 2014 at 6:44pm

ian wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

People who can't give up smoking show a weakness of character.

They also show that they can't overcome their nicotene addiction.

* Nicotene : a colourless, poisonous alkaloid, C10H14N2, derived from the tobacco plant and used as an insecticide.
It is the substance in tobacco to which smokers can become addicted.

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Re: Where's their Smoke?
Reply #59 - May 17^th, 2014 at 1:17am

ashlee wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

I will only speak from my own experience and perceptions, as a non smoker, my immediate family are also non smokers, bar 1, but I don't care if people choose to smoke, or are addicted to smoking. All I ask is when they're in my home, they don't. What they do in their own homes, is their business. If they smoke out doors, so what? There is plenty of air for everyone. If you don't want to be where people are smoking, don't. Common sense, live and let live.

Non smokers don't go where smokers are...... The problem is ignorant smokers who light up around non smokers because they think they can & the non smokers should cop it.

If you were meant to smoke you' have a smoke stack on top of your head. Tongue

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