Bowen wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:


"We need section 18c"

'We' as in ultra-sensitive minorities who always use race as an excuse to get offended and to silent criticisms. Stop using race as an excuse to get offended. It's the most pathetic excuse ever and just shows how weak your people are.

Bowen wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:


Having hurt feelings is not sufficient justification to forcibly silence someone. we all have a right to self-ownership that cannot be trumped due to giving an opinion as giving an opinion doesn't violate the rights of others like assault/theft does.

Taking offence to something is ridiculously subjective and immeasurable, people can take offence to anything and feeling hurt over something is not sufficient justification to use force against people, or else I'd just feel offended by the worlds banking policies and have all of the bankers arrested for offending me.

Force is not the answer to stopping thing you simply don't like, or did we forget that little child hood lesson? Don't hit your sibling, use your words? It's a good lesson "don't initiate force, violence or coercion" it's simple it's clean and it works. 

If you want to stop racism, bigotry or anything that you don't like, you stop it with education, with incentive, ostracism and changing the social norms. Do we have laws to keep people standing in line at the shops? Of course not yet most of us do.....Like I said change the social norms in society it's far more effective then trying to use force and far more moral.

Or do we not give a f*ck about peoples right to self-ownership any more?

All these words are after some worse words given by the racists here.

Why you ignore their dirty words at first including your own?

If you can feel offence by these words, don't use the similar words at first. If you know what's respect, what's polite, I will show you the same respect and polite.

For example, if you shout me "Go back to China".
"Go back to Europe" is the only answer for you. If you don't like these words, don't use it at first. It's a so simple logic.

Quantum wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:38pm:

Bowen wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 4:48pm:



When people use force against each other, there won't be rational communication either.

Surely we aren't so uncivilised and so child like to run off to big daddy government to hold a gun to peoples heads to solve all of our issues? Or are we evolved enough to look for peaceful voluntary solutions that are simple and effective. (ostracism, incentive, social norms, respect for self-ownership)

Bowen wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 5:08pm:



Writing a law won't stop people from arguing and then fighting each other, there's nothing magical about paper and writing words on paper that will somehow stop people from fighting especially if they have cultural tensions.

Also you are worried about violence, but the law has to be enforced with violence, so in a situation where someone would say something and someone would say something back you'd effectively be introducing violence and force where two people may have just argued and that's all.

Like I said you don't stop these things with law and force, you stop it by changing the social norms, if no one wants to be racist or it doesn't matter to them then you won't have to worry about it. It's the same with with Gay Marriage our social norms have been changing for years and it's almost at the point where no one cares if other people are gay or of different colour.

I am for peoples right to self-ownership and would not reject that most important right for anything as silly as taking offence because of how open to interpretation it is.

Bowen wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 5:08pm:


Being offensive doesn't necessarily lead to violence. Take you, for example.


You have offended people, belittling and ridiculing their culture. What are you going to do about that?

What's really offensive is that the failed philosophy of multiculturalism allowed you to come to this country with your hatred of whites.