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Reply #45 - May 18^th, 2014 at 8:36am

Bowen wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

I think I like you, some times. At least you are trying to help me to understand you. I am happy to learn how to communicate with you guys.

It's very much to your credit that you want to engage with Australians in friendship and understanding.

If you want to be accepted by Australians, then you've got to learn to smile and be cheeky back to them when they say something 'insulting' (while half-smiling).

They use insults and abuse to test your mettle. (勇气)

Used your judgment to know when they're being teasing and playful with you, or when it's someone who is genuinely a hateful racist. It's not always easy to tell the difference.

Contrary to popular opinion, Australians ~ beneath the surface of their habit of teasing and poking you in the ribs for being a foreigner ~ are one of the least racist people in the world.

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Reply #46 - May 18^th, 2014 at 11:31am

Sometimes, there is misunderstanding. Yes, I am trying to judge who is a good guy with misunderstanding and who is the really bad guy.

I think understanding is for both sides. I also speak frankly and bluntly to express the opinion from the view of a Chinese Australian intellectual. I never hate white people. If I hate, I won't come here and talk so much. Critique is not hate.

Actually, I smell to anybody who looks friendly.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 8:36am:

Bowen wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

I think I like you, some times. At least you are trying to help me to understand you. I am happy to learn how to communicate with you guys.

It's very much to your credit that you want to engage with Australians in friendship and understanding.

If you want to be accepted by Australians, then you've got to learn to smile and be cheeky back to them when they say something 'insulting' (while half-smiling).

They use insults and abuse to test your mettle. (勇气)

Used your judgment to know when they're being teasing and playful with you, or when it's someone who is genuinely a hateful racist. It's not always easy to tell the difference.

Contrary to popular opinion, Australians ~ beneath the surface of their habit of teasing and poking you in the ribs for being a foreigner ~ are one of the least racist people in the world.

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Reply #47 - May 18^th, 2014 at 11:35am

While China lost Chinese culture, I can go anywhere over the world to build my new life. So I went to the new mainland, a wild mainland to be developed. That's why I came here.

Quantum wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 1:49am:

Bowen wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 12:47am:

One of the reasons. China lost Chinese culture already. Especially the advantage of Chinese culture.

hazy123 wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 12:10am:

Is that why you here, Bowen? Because China a shithole?

So your here, why? Spite? Because your country lost its cultural identity so you came here to ruin ours as well?

It seems pretty clear that had china stayed more traditionally Chinese you would never have come here. Now you have bought some lie that you can recreate your perfect Chinese culture in your little ghetto in some Australian suburb because Australia has no culture and will let anyone do as they see fit here.

Wake up call. Fit in or bugger off.

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Reply #48 - May 18^th, 2014 at 11:43am

When more and more well educated Chinese come to Australia, you will meet more and more Chinese Australian like me. Different from most of the Chinese migrants you met before, we are scientists, philosophers, thinkers. We contribute to Australia, and will participate to lead this country too.

hazy123 wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Bowen is really passionate about the struggle of the Chinese people and really passionate about the racism and ignorance of Australians. And where is he? Yep, you guessed it. Guzzlin' down big macs in Australia. Please explain!!!

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Reply #49 - May 18^th, 2014 at 12:17pm

Bowen wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

While China lost Chinese culture, I can go anywhere over the world to build my new life. So I went to the new mainland, a wild mainland to be developed. That's why I came here.

And you wonder why people get pissed off at you. A chinaman coming to wild Australia to develop it Roll Eyes

Either bugger off to Africa or some area that actually needs help, or go back and help your less developed home land. We are years ahead of china so we don't need you coming here to mother us.

Here yet again we see the two issues with you;

1) that you think we owe you something. That somehow we are better off having you here. There is nothing you can offer that we need. In no way is you being here helping to develop our country. We are a developed country! We don't need anyone from a country whose main industry is making western designed products, or worse, cheap inferior illegal copies of western designed products.

2) you show disappointment that china's culture has changed hence why you have left the country. But you have no issue about fuking up our culture. That's perfectly fine to you. You don't like the way your own country is going but you expect the rest of us to just accept the change you want to bring to this one.

Australia is fine the way it is. We don't need your inferior Chinese technology, nor do we need your inferior Chinese culture. Stop pretending that we need you here and that you have anything to offer. It is so absolutely ridiculous for you to claim that you could go anywhere on earth but you came to Australia because we need to be developed. You come to what is one of the most advance countries on earth with one of the highest living standard and stable economies in the world to develop it? Do you really think anyone buys that BS?

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Reply #50 - May 18^th, 2014 at 12:21pm

Bowen wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 11:43am:

When more and more well educated Chinese come to Australia, you will meet more and more Chinese Australian like me. Different from most of the Chinese migrants you met before, we are scientists, philosophers, thinkers. We contribute to Australia, and will participate to lead this country too.

hazy123 wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Bowen is really passionate about the struggle of the Chinese people and really passionate about the racism and ignorance of Australians. And where is he? Yep, you guessed it. Guzzlin' down big macs in Australia. Please explain!!!

We were happier with the old Chinese immigrants. The ones who knew how lucky they were to be here and whose kids grew up to be as Australian as any white child. Your type have come to make china 2.0. We sure as hell don't want you participating in leading us. In fact you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote. I can see the day when there are enough of you china faithful types living here so as to vote democracy away.

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Reply #52 - May 18^th, 2014 at 12:59pm

In my experience the Chinese and Vietnamese who've been settling in Australia since Bob Hawke opened the gates after Tiananmen Square ~ have been excellent migrants.

Since Captain Cook no other immigrant people have within one generation become so identified with being doctors, dentists, optometrists, chemists, and other professionals. This is hugely admirable of them.

Contrast this with some other immigrant ethnicities who are identified with dole bludging, laziness on the job, criminal activity, and filling our prisons.

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Reply #53 - May 18^th, 2014 at 3:10pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

In my experience the Chinese and Vietnamese who've been settling in Australia since Bob Hawke opened the gates after Tiananmen Square ~ have been excellent migrants.

Yeh? I have been told by users in the building industry they are a god send. Go to Goodna, brill prices! Apparently!

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hazy123 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 404 Gender:	Re: We need section 18c Reply #54 - May 18^th, 2014 at 3:47pm Dont get ne wrong, this isnt about Chinese immigrants. This is personal (he says while puffing a cigar)
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Reply #55 - May 18^th, 2014 at 4:49pm

Adamant wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

In my experience the Chinese and Vietnamese who've been settling in Australia since Bob Hawke opened the gates after Tiananmen Square ~ have been excellent migrants.

Yeh? I have been told by users in the building industry they are a god send. Go to Goodna, brill prices! Apparently!

You'll have to unscramble this encoded message for me.

I lost my Enigma machine when I had to pawn it to buy myself a good automatic rice cooker. Cool

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Reply #56 - May 18^th, 2014 at 8:11pm

Your problem is, you don't know how to live with Chinese migrants equally. Many old Chinese migrants may not know what's equal, but we know.

We have more confidence and are proud of our culture as you are proud your culture. As I said, we are not refugee, we are scientists, engineers, thinkers, ... We will participate to the society as equal members. You are no more superior. That's why you hate us. It's 21th century, you'd better fit for it, learn to live with other cultures equally.

Quantum wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

Bowen wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 11:43am:

When more and more well educated Chinese come to Australia, you will meet more and more Chinese Australian like me. Different from most of the Chinese migrants you met before, we are scientists, philosophers, thinkers. We contribute to Australia, and will participate to lead this country too.

hazy123 wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

Bowen is really passionate about the struggle of the Chinese people and really passionate about the racism and ignorance of Australians. And where is he? Yep, you guessed it. Guzzlin' down big macs in Australia. Please explain!!!

We were happier with the old Chinese immigrants. The ones who knew how lucky they were to be here and whose kids grew up to be as Australian as any white child. Your type have come to make china 2.0. We sure as hell don't want you participating in leading us. In fact you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote. I can see the day when there are enough of you china faithful types living here so as to vote democracy away.

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hazy123 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 404 Gender:	Re: We need section 18c Reply #57 - May 18^th, 2014 at 8:37pm Ive got great respect for China and her contributions. I just dont have any respect for you, sh itbag.
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Reply #58 - May 18^th, 2014 at 8:47pm

Bowen wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

Your problem is, you don't know how to live with Chinese migrants equally. Many old Chinese migrants may not know what's equal, but we know.

No you don't. Chinese chauvinism is all you know.

Equality is a Western idea. It would never have emerged from China. You are rallying a Western idea in defence of your Chinese chauvinism. In other words, you could not make any of these claims IN CHINA, to counter Chinese chauvinism.

But here you are, defending Chinese chauvinism by deploying wholly un-Chinese ideas - freedom, equality. Ideas totally absent from 5000 years of glorious Chinese history and remaining absent to this day.

You are really, really conflicted about the inferiority of Chinese culture. You want it to count for something but it doesn't, not even in your own life - you left it, knowing it's buggered despite all the glorification. If it was really that great. you would be there, building the great Chinese civilisation. But you are here because you are betting on this society, not China.

You are trying to cover up your shameless, utter opportunism, China plate. That's all you are doing - and failing at it. People see through you.i

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: We need section 18c Reply #59 - May 18^th, 2014 at 9:02pm A lot of insight there, Soren. Bowen ~ try to learn from what people say here. It's an unofficial tuition that will benefit you if you can put your ego aside for long enough to learn.
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