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Reply #31 - May 17^th, 2014 at 11:02am

True Colours wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 10:11pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

...shopkeepers had been 'squeezed out by Muslims

I can see what this makes your blood boil Herbie.

How dare they operate profitable businesses! They should all be bludging on the dole right?

These immigrants they want to have their cake and eat too! They are all on the dole, whilst at the same time operating successful business right?

But they do TC they Do

UK Muslim unemployment stood at 16% (4.7% nationally), with nearly a third of 16-34 year olds unemployed

http://www.1stethical.com/about/british-muslim-statistics/

unemployment among people of French origin is 9.2% while for those of foreign backgrounds, the rate is 14%. These statistics have been adjusted for educational qualifications. Additionally, in comparison to a 5% overall employment rate for people of French origin, 26.5% of university graduates with North African backgrounds are unemployed.

http://www.euro-islam.info/country-profiles/france/

the unemployment rate among the young Muslim population is estimated to be around 30%

http://www.euro-islam.info/country-profiles/germany/

The rate of employment of Belgian residents born outside of the European Union rose last year to 45.8%. No other European country has so few of its immigrants in work, said De Standaard on Tuesday.

http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/belgium-has-highest-immigrant.html

OECD data shows unemployment rates for the foreign born are more than twice as high as for natives. 21 Sweden’s Muslims have unemployment rates 4 to 10 times higher than non-Muslims, depending on ethnicity

http://www.euro-islam.info/country-profiles/sweden/

We are lucky though we have new age muslims, our boys want to work.......

But this doesn't translate into financial rewards, apparently because of language barriers, discrimination and non-recognition of qualifications obtained abroad. Unemployment among Muslims is two to four times the rates among other Australians. Twice as many Muslims have no income. Only 15 per cent own their own homes, compared with one-third of other Australians. Twenty-six per cent of Muslim teenagers are unemployed, against 14 per cent of non-Muslims. And, shockingly, 40 per cent of Muslim children live in poverty, almost three times the national average.

Should learn not to breed like bloody rabbits. I blame it on gambling drugs alcohol and prostitution myself their addiction's know no bounds, and don't start me on about prison populations for Allah's sake.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/our-high-profile-muslim-minority/story-e6frg6z6-1226007821201

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Reply #32 - May 17^th, 2014 at 11:09am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

So we should all be tiptoeing around Muslims in case they kill someone?

If you're a teacher in a mixed-religion school ~ you should leave your Bible or Koran at home.

Where does it say this occurred in school? Or that the kids were coerced to participate? If it had happened in class, there would have been far greater repercussions.

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #33 - May 17^th, 2014 at 11:11am

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

So we should all be tiptoeing around Muslims in case they kill someone?

If you're a teacher in a mixed-religion school ~ you should leave your Bible or Koran at home.

Where does it say this occurred in school? Or that the kids were coerced to participate? If it had happened in class, there would have been far greater repercussions.

Jesus. Okay ... I'll read the story again from a different news source and get back to you.

Are you sure you're not trying to pull my chain here ... ?

Is the water too rough to go fishing? Cool

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Reply #34 - May 17^th, 2014 at 11:28am

Adamant wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 11:02am:

1) Unemployment among Muslims is two to four times the rates among other Australians.

2) Twice as many Muslims have no income.

3) Only 15 per cent own their own homes, compared with one-third of other Australians.

4) Twenty-six per cent of Muslim teenagers are unemployed, against 14 per cent of non-Muslims.

5) And 40 per cent of Muslim children live in poverty, almost three times the national average.

I blame it on gambling, drugs, alcohol and prostitution myself.

I doubt this very much.

It's not wanting to work in boring environments like factories and the like, and culturally not being too happy to be in a subservient position to a non-Muslim boss.

And needless to say, after they worked out all the different ways of maximising government benefits from various sources, they're left with little motive to put themselves in for a full working life in the mainstream.

A Turkish friend of mine did nothing but buy cars from auctions, and then after sprucing them up he sold them to the public. Don't know now, but the law allowed for 5 cars a year, tax-free, but of course, who was keeping count? Tongue

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Reply #35 - May 17^th, 2014 at 12:02pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 8:26pm:

wally1 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

You keep saying that people are scared to speak up against islam but a few days ago in the UK members of the Britain first went into mosques handing out bible and christian propaganda, and what a surprise,muslims didnt reply with a attack or kill anybody.

Maybe that's because ...'revenge is a dish best served cold' ... (Just kidding).

Herb,

That's, (Just kidding), ASIO.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #36 - May 17^th, 2014 at 12:12pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

So we should all be tiptoeing around Muslims in case they kill someone?

They wish!

Terror [threats, intimidation, and violence] is the modus operandi of ISLAM.

Over 1,400 years, moslems have learnt that a fear-ful enemy, is a weak and compliant enemy.

WHAT IS TERRORISM ?

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Mohammed is a terrorist, as defined by the Haddith....

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

"It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land....."

Koran 8.67

Koran [8:67 above] meaning here, first moslems should beleaguer and slaughter their enemies in the land, to terrorise, to cower them.

And then later, moslems will more easily be able to defeat, and enslave a pliant, fearful enemy people.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #37 - May 17^th, 2014 at 12:20pm

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 8:26pm:

wally1 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

Maybe that's because ...'revenge is a dish best served cold' ... (Just kidding).

Herb,

That's, (Just kidding), ASIO.

Maybe it was James Bond's MI5 people?

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Reply #38 - May 17^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

Australian racism has nothing to do with it?

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education-wise Muslims are high achievers: 21 per cent of Muslim males have a university degree, compared with 15 per cent of non-Muslims. But this doesn't translate into financial rewards, apparently because of language barriers, discrimination and non-recognition of qualifications obtained abroad. Unemployment among Muslims is two to four times the rates among other Australians. Twice as many Muslims have no income. Only 15 per cent own their own homes, compared with one-third of other Australians. Twenty-six per cent of Muslim teenagers are unemployed, against 14 per cent of non-Muslims. And, shockingly, 40 per cent of Muslim children live in poverty, almost three times the national average.

Australian bosses are racist when it's time to hire

A FOREIGN or indigenous-sounding name gives people less chance of landing a job in Australia, a study has found...

...Typically a Chinese-named applicant would need to put in 68 per cent more applications than an Anglo-named applicant to get the same number of calls back. A Middle Eastern-named applicant needed 64 per cent more, an indigenous-named applicant 35 per cent more and an Italian-named applicant 12 per cent more...

...Discrimination tends to be higher when you have a recent influx of arrivals, as Sydney has from China and the Middle East...

...Asked whether the study had found that Australian employers were racist, Dr Leigh said it was clear they discriminated on the basis of the racial origin of applicants' names. "There is no other reasonable interpretation of our results," he said.
The fake applications had made clear that the supposed job-seekers had completed secondary schooling in Australia, making it unlikely that the employers had assumed the non-Anglo applicants could not speak English.

A similar study carried out in the US found that applicants with African-American-sounding names needed to submit 50 per cent more applications than white applicants to get the same number of interviews, suggesting that Australian employers were more prejudiced...

http://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-bosses-are-racist-when-its-time-to-...

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Reply #39 - May 17^th, 2014 at 1:27pm

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

Ah yes, sounds very sinister - if you imply that it has something to do with terrorism, and ignore the fact that this was a reference to the help of God's angels.

The terror refers to the emotions felt by pagan attackers when they saw angels coming down to help the Muslims:

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It has been narrated on the authority of 'Umar b. al-Khattab who said: "When it was the day on which the Battle of Badr was fought (where a pagan army attempted to invade the fledgeling Islamic state), the Prophet of God (peace & blessings of God upon him) cast a glance at the pagans, and they were one thousand while his own Companions were three hundred and nineteen. The Holy Prophet...stretched his hands and began his supplication to his Lord:" O God, accomplish for me what Thou hast promised to me. O God, bring about what Thou hast promised to me. O God, if this small band of Muslims is destroyed. Thou will not be worshipped on this earth." He continued his supplication to his Lord...

So God, the Glorious and Exalted, revealed (the Qur'anic verse):" When ye appealed to your Lord for help, He responded to your call (saying): I will help you with one thousand angels coming in succession." So God helped him with angels."

Abu Zumail said that the badith was narrated to him by Ibn 'Abbas who said: "While on that day a Muslim was chasing a pagan who was going ahead of him, he heard over him' the swishing of the whip and the voice of the rider saying: Go ahead, Haizi'm (this is the name of Gabriel's horse)! He glanced at the pagan who had (now) fallen down on his back. When he looked at him (carefully he found that) there was a scar on his nose and his face was torn as if it had been lashed with a whip, and had turned green with its poison. A Madinite native came to the Prophet of God and related this (event) to him. He said: You have told the truth. This was the (angelic) help from the third heaven. The Muslims that day (during the defence against pagan invasion at the Battle of Badr) killed seventy persons and captured seventy. The Prophet of God said to Abu Bakr and 'Umar: What is your opinion about these captives? Abu Bakr said: They are our kith and kin. I think you should release them after getting from them a ransom. This will be a source of strength to us against the pagans. It is quite possible that God may guide them to Islam....

- Saheeh al-Muslim

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Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said on the day (of the defence against the pagan invasion) of Badr: "This is Gabriel holding the head of his horse and equipped with arms for the battle.

- Bukhari

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Narrated Rifaa: (who was one of the badr warriors) Gabriel came to the Prophet and said, "How do you look upon the warriors of (the repulsion of pagan invasion at) Badr among yourselves?" The Prophet said, "As the best of the Muslims." or said a similar statement. On that, Gabriel said, "And so are the angels who participated in the Badr (defence against pagan invasion)."
- Bukhari

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"(Remember) when you sought help of your Lord and He answered you saying, 'I will help you with a thousand Angels each behind the other in succession."

- the Quran, al-Anfal v. 9]

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Reply #40 - May 17^th, 2014 at 1:39pm

TC,

I liked those Hadith verses better, they way i presented them;

WHAT IS TERRORISM ?

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Mohammed is a terrorist, as defined by the Haddith....

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

WHAT IS TERRORISM ?

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

ISLAM is terrorism, as defined by the Koran.....

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

WHAT IS TERRORISM ?

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

ISLAM is terrorism, as defined by the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia....

Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."
Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.
.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)
Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)
As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21681 A cat with a view	Re: Someone telling it as it is ... Reply #41 - May 17^th, 2014 at 1:42pm WHAT IS TERRORISM ? Dictionary; terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Being a moslem, is terrorism, as defined by the violent political behaviour of [many] moslems..... e.g. THE RELIGION OF PEACE http://thereligionofpeace.com/
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Reply #42 - May 17^th, 2014 at 1:46pm

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Oh right like say for example, Jesus?

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And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #43 - May 17^th, 2014 at 1:58pm

Stratos wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Oh right like say for example, Jesus?

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And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

And the Pharisees later arranged the execution of the 'terrorist' Jesus.

So what is your beef exactly ?

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #44 - May 17^th, 2014 at 1:59pm

Stratos wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Oh right like say for example, Jesus?

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And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

Or John Howard's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Or Alan Jones calling for the Cronulla Riot.

Or Tony Abbott ordering Federal Police to aggressively pursue anyone supporting the Syrian freedom fighter.

Are yes, terrorism comes in all shapes and sizes doesn't it?

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