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Re: What is the purpose of rules?
Reply #30 - May 19^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

Neferti wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

Ah, so, there is absolutely no impartiality around here. Moderation is only directed at certain parties. Good Oh. Carry on.

Well, there is an Abraham Lincoln quote, which comes to mind -
“You can please some of the people some of the time,
all of the people some of the time,
some of the people all of the time,
but you can never please all of the people all of the time.”

There again, there are some who "contemplate" that they have "the Wisdom of Solomon" and that they can deliver the correct choice, for every occasion?
I can not see me, nor any other person, measuring up to that line of thought, nor level of expertise!

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: What is the purpose of rules? Reply #31 - May 19^th, 2014 at 10:11pm so the fickle finger of fate strikes again.. you mods are no more perfect then the rest of us.. we have always known that... its good to know you are catching up and are now entering the real world.. its called mistrust.
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Re: What is the purpose of rules?
Reply #32 - May 19^th, 2014 at 10:19pm

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

Phemanderac wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

I like the traffic lights analogy too, well put. I would only add a bit further that in other examples of law and order, the outcomes are made very public, as we have seen thanks to our esteemed politicians quite recently, at times the outcome is publicly laundered even before there has been an official outcome.

Accountability is a pretty important thing to some people.

Being held to account is also pretty important to some.

Then there are those who would prefer to only hold those to account because they disagree....

Which forum (community) would you like to be a party to?

like it or not phem....its the same one you are asking about..

what would happen if we didnt obey the road rules????..

every now and then someone does disobey them,
they usually cause a CRASH...some hideous.

can I tell you about yahoo....quite a few on here used yahoo forum and the political board ran hot..some to to point of threats..the mods couldnt cope so they closed it down..

you see some will never obey the rules.. all we can hope for is MOST DO.

some yes some do get away with it...like running the red light no accident no fine...

but they are few and far between..

now this forum is modded......"well".......very well I think... if the complaint goes direct to a mod instead of a thread to my knowledge it is taken care of..

why or what has happened to those that are banned is a secret I do not know...

but it is.

a bit like a traffic fine.. unless the person tells you. Roll Eyes

you have no idea if your complaint is taken on board..I commented on the F.word being used and was told it is mild.. Roll Eyes

well in this day and age I guess I have to accept that....is it good that its a mild word to use... I am not so sure.

you have rules in your home I guess....I know I do...no jumping on furniture is one....but there is always someone who will push the buttons.

you do realize if we had a no rule society there goes the police dept..

I remember it well. Generally had some good times, and met quite a few long-term 'net-friends' there
as well. I think a big problem there was that the mods were not consistent, sometimes as strict as a
headmaster, other times not there at all.

The shambles the Political board turned into around 2010 was what inspired me to embark on the
search which eventually led me here. I suspect you would probably have been another, I'm pretty
sure we both landed here around the same time.

But I was a bit disappointed when a few who'd caused so much strife on yahoo ended up here too... Sad

Still, we all have those who are sent to try us.

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: What is the purpose of rules? Reply #33 - May 19^th, 2014 at 11:40pm The only problem with rules here is that a handful of members have confused the spirit of a rule with the letter of a rule.
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Re: What is the purpose of rules?
Reply #34 - May 19^th, 2014 at 11:57pm

Kat wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

Phemanderac wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

I like the traffic lights analogy too, well put. I would only add a bit further that in other examples of law and order, the outcomes are made very public, as we have seen thanks to our esteemed politicians quite recently, at times the outcome is publicly laundered even before there has been an official outcome.

Accountability is a pretty important thing to some people.

Being held to account is also pretty important to some.

Then there are those who would prefer to only hold those to account because they disagree....

Which forum (community) would you like to be a party to?

like it or not phem....its the same one you are asking about..

what would happen if we didnt obey the road rules????..

every now and then someone does disobey them,
they usually cause a CRASH...some hideous.

can I tell you about yahoo....quite a few on here used yahoo forum and the political board ran hot..some to to point of threats..the mods couldnt cope so they closed it down..

you see some will never obey the rules.. all we can hope for is MOST DO.

some yes some do get away with it...like running the red light no accident no fine...

but they are few and far between..

now this forum is modded......"well".......very well I think... if the complaint goes direct to a mod instead of a thread to my knowledge it is taken care of..

why or what has happened to those that are banned is a secret I do not know...

but it is.

a bit like a traffic fine.. unless the person tells you. Roll Eyes

you have no idea if your complaint is taken on board..I commented on the F.word being used and was told it is mild.. Roll Eyes

well in this day and age I guess I have to accept that....is it good that its a mild word to use... I am not so sure.

you have rules in your home I guess....I know I do...no jumping on furniture is one....but there is always someone who will push the buttons.

you do realize if we had a no rule society there goes the police dept..

I remember it well. Generally had some good times, and met quite a few long-term 'net-friends' there
as well. I think a big problem there was that the mods were not consistent, sometimes as strict as a
headmaster, other times not there at all.

The shambles the Political board turned into around 2010 was what inspired me to embark on the
search which eventually led me here. I suspect you would probably have been another, I'm pretty
sure we both landed here around the same time.

But I was a bit disappointed when a few who'd caused so much strife on yahoo ended up here too... Sad

Still, we all have those who are sent to try us.

Yes, I to was also there and saw the results, when it all fell to pieces and quite a few of the Yahoo's came to OzPol.

I have also seen other Forums in the USA particularly & elsewhere, which have fallen into complete shambles, primarily because they weren't moderated at all or they were designated "Free Speech sites", which has been code for doing nothing and allowing the site/forum to become a complete Cesspit & the vast majority of members simply leave!

Anyway, much like life in general, these internet forums are likely to be a reflection of life, with all of its imperfections.
Or, as the old Clint Eastwood classic put it -
The Good, the Bad & the Ugly!

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Re: What is the purpose of rules?
Reply #35 - May 20^th, 2014 at 12:03am

That's rubbish.

Designating a site a free speech site is not code for doing nothing and allowing the site/forum to become a complete Cesspit & the vast majority of members simply leave!

That's a bad stereotype of what free speech actually is on a forum.

It is allowing "freedom of speech" - rules still apply to them. If everyone is only allowed to think the same way as a moderator does what a joke that is. Or a bunch of moderators for that matter.

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Reply #36 - May 20^th, 2014 at 12:12am

Mattywisk wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 12:03am:

That's rubbish.

Designating a site a free speech site is not code for doing nothing and allowing the site/forum to become a complete Cesspit & the vast majority of members simply leave!

That's a bad stereotype of what free speech actually is on a forum.

It is allowing "freedom of speech" - rules still apply to them. If everyone is only allowed to think the same way as a moderator does what a joke that is. Or a bunch of moderators for that matter.

Really???

That's your opinion, I disagree!
Having seen, as I said, some prime examples of Cesspits, both here in OZ & in the US, they are not what I would recommend to anyone!

That said, anyone can voice their opinion here, so long as they stay within the accepted guidelines for this forum, But if anyone goes past the accepted guidelines, then they should expect a tap on the shoulder!

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Reply #37 - May 20^th, 2014 at 12:20am

That's your opinion and I disagree so we agree to disagree.
I myself too have seen forums all over the internet trying both styles.

It just comes down to effective moderation. Free speech its not
an excuse to do anything. It is an allowance of opposing opinions that
don't have to tow a party line. As I said we agree to disagree and
that is allowed yes.

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Reply #38 - May 20^th, 2014 at 10:55am

Mattywisk wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 12:20am:

That's your opinion and I disagree so we agree to disagree.
I myself too have seen forums all over the internet trying both styles.

It just comes down to effective moderation. Free speech its not
an excuse to do anything. It is an allowance of opposing opinions that
don't have to tow a party line. As I said we agree to disagree and
that is allowed yes.

well your version of free speech may differ from someone elses... you may not mind being abused and being called a crackhead..you may find it amusing when others join in and call you nasty names.and claim your mother was a W****..

but others do not... and they demand to be safe no matter where they wander...

if a special board was created to panda to those who come on a forum just to talk filth or put someone down...

may I suggest you start your own forum and see how well it goes...from what I have read just in the news.. there are many out there who do nothing but spread hate..

you never know you may be on a winner! Angry

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Reply #39 - May 20^th, 2014 at 4:53pm

PN, thanks for your thoughts/thoughtful reply.

There are parts to it I would most likely debate with you at length, however, thinking big picture, I don't think that would serve either of us, or more importantly, the board/community to do so publicly. Besides, at the end of the day it would come down to differing opinions I suspect, which is an agree to disagree thing.

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Reply #40 - May 20^th, 2014 at 4:56pm

cods wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

Mattywisk wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 12:20am:

That's your opinion and I disagree so we agree to disagree.
I myself too have seen forums all over the internet trying both styles.

It just comes down to effective moderation. Free speech its not
an excuse to do anything. It is an allowance of opposing opinions that
don't have to tow a party line. As I said we agree to disagree and
that is allowed yes.

well your version of free speech may differ from someone elses... you may not mind being abused and being called a crackhead..you may find it amusing when others join in and call you nasty names.and claim your mother was a W****..

but others do not... and they demand to be safe no matter where they wander...

if a special board was created to panda to those who come on a forum just to talk filth or put someone down...

may I suggest you start your own forum and see how well it goes...from what I have read just in the news.. there are many out there who do nothing but spread hate..

you never know you may be on a winner! Angry

The highlighted bit.

I think that is extremely relevant to the single main purpose behind rules.

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Re: What is the purpose of rules?
Reply #41 - May 20^th, 2014 at 5:21pm

Phemanderac wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

cods wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

Mattywisk wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 12:20am:

That's your opinion and I disagree so we agree to disagree.
I myself too have seen forums all over the internet trying both styles.

It just comes down to effective moderation. Free speech its not
an excuse to do anything. It is an allowance of opposing opinions that
don't have to tow a party line. As I said we agree to disagree and
that is allowed yes.

well your version of free speech may differ from someone elses... you may not mind being abused and being called a crackhead..you may find it amusing when others join in and call you nasty names.and claim your mother was a W****..

but others do not... and they demand to be safe no matter where they wander...

if a special board was created to panda to those who come on a forum just to talk filth or put someone down...

may I suggest you start your own forum and see how well it goes...from what I have read just in the news.. there are many out there who do nothing but spread hate..

you never know you may be on a winner! Angry

The highlighted bit.

I think that is extremely relevant to the single main purpose behind rules.

sadly some cant see that.. they think their jibes are funny something to laugh off..they do it to make the other person say something equally as bad....so they can throw it back all the time.. they are like vultures waiting to pounce..

I have had it done to me.. and I have never felt so threatened in my life... its a terrible feeling.and to read about someone taking their life because of the vermin that forums like this throw up.makes my blood boil I can tell you.

if you have to hide behind and ID to do it then in my book you are coward..of the worst kind..

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Re: What is the purpose of rules?
Reply #42 - May 20^th, 2014 at 7:45pm

cods wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

Mattywisk wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 12:20am:

That's your opinion and I disagree so we agree to disagree.
I myself too have seen forums all over the internet trying both styles.

It just comes down to effective moderation. Free speech its not
an excuse to do anything. It is an allowance of opposing opinions that
don't have to tow a party line. As I said we agree to disagree and
that is allowed yes.

well your version of free speech may differ from someone elses... you may not mind being abused and being called a crackhead..you may find it amusing when others join in and call you nasty names.and claim your mother was a W****..

but others do not... and they demand to be safe no matter where they wander...

if a special board was created to panda to those who come on a forum just to talk filth or put someone down...

may I suggest you start your own forum and see how well it goes...from what I have read just in the news.. there are many out there who do nothing but spread hate..

you never know you may be on a winner! Angry

May I suggest you read my post again if you must. No need to get smart.
I think you are confusing free speech with abusing people. Obviously you
have had some traumatic experience on a forum with bad moderation.

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