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King FriYAY II Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2109	Re: Dellusion from the right Reply #15 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:16am Abbott is an A grade moron.
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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Dellusion from the right Reply #16 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:20am IQSRLOW wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:17am: Weren't you lefties screeching about "teh middle class welfare" not that long ago? You think that a family on $150K should have a govt handout? As much as I would appreciate the money, the answer would have to be no.
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Re: Dellusion from the right
Reply #17 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:27am

skippy. wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:50am:

Swagman wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:46am:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:31am:

Aside from the fact that there is no budget emergency

..if you believe that you are the deluded one Smithy.

The overwhelming majority of financial experts say there is no budget emergency. The only people saying it are the government and the stupid people that believe the government, which is shrinking by the day to now comprising just the pure stupid rusted ons of around 45% TPP.

List the experts Skip and they can join the ranks of the deluded?

Then read this.

http://archive.treasury.gov.au/igr/igr2010/Overview/html/overview_04.htm

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In 2010, there will be an estimated 5 people of traditional working age for every person aged 65 and over.

By 2050 only 2.7 people of traditional working age are projected for every person aged 65 and over.

This results in lower future work force participation rates, and therefore slower future rates of economic growth.

At the same time, an ageing population will place greater demands on government services.

That is a 'serious' budget emergency.

Especially if you have young kids. By the time they are in their mid-twenties they will have to be paying double the marginal tax rates we today (that'll be 60% + Shocked

) just to maintain the current level of social welfare and social security.

If the budget emergency had teeth it would bite you and your so-called financial experts on the Rs... Grin

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Reply #18 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:46am

Swagman wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:27am:

skippy. wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:50am:

Swagman wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:46am:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:31am:

Aside from the fact that there is no budget emergency

..if you believe that you are the deluded one Smithy.

The overwhelming majority of financial experts say there is no budget emergency. The only people saying it are the government and the stupid people that believe the government, which is shrinking by the day to now comprising just the pure stupid rusted ons of around 45% TPP.

List the experts Skip and they can join the ranks of the deluded?

Then read this.

http://archive.treasury.gov.au/igr/igr2010/Overview/html/overview_04.htm

Quote:

In 2010, there will be an estimated 5 people of traditional working age for every person aged 65 and over.

By 2050 only 2.7 people of traditional working age are projected for every person aged 65 and over.

This results in lower future work force participation rates, and therefore slower future rates of economic growth.

At the same time, an ageing population will place greater demands on government services.

That is a 'serious' budget emergency.

Especially if you have young kids. By the time they are in their mid-twenties they will have to be paying double the marginal tax rates we today (that'll be 60% + Shocked

) just to maintain the current level of social welfare and social security.

If the budget emergency had teeth it would bite you and your so-called financial experts on the Rs... Grin

You're making the claim, you list the experts that say its a budget emergency. Roll Eyes

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King FriYAY II

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Reply #19 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:53am

skippy. wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:46am:

Swagman wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:27am:

skippy. wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:50am:

Swagman wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:46am:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:31am:

Aside from the fact that there is no budget emergency

..if you believe that you are the deluded one Smithy.

The overwhelming majority of financial experts say there is no budget emergency. The only people saying it are the government and the stupid people that believe the government, which is shrinking by the day to now comprising just the pure stupid rusted ons of around 45% TPP.

List the experts Skip and they can join the ranks of the deluded?

Then read this.

http://archive.treasury.gov.au/igr/igr2010/Overview/html/overview_04.htm

Quote:

In 2010, there will be an estimated 5 people of traditional working age for every person aged 65 and over.

By 2050 only 2.7 people of traditional working age are projected for every person aged 65 and over.

This results in lower future work force participation rates, and therefore slower future rates of economic growth.

At the same time, an ageing population will place greater demands on government services.

That is a 'serious' budget emergency.

Especially if you have young kids. By the time they are in their mid-twenties they will have to be paying double the marginal tax rates we today (that'll be 60% + Shocked

) just to maintain the current level of social welfare and social security.

If the budget emergency had teeth it would bite you and your so-called financial experts on the Rs... Grin

You're making the claim, you list the experts that say its a budget emergency. Roll Eyes

And this is the problem.

Even blind Freddy knows the budget couldn't continue on the path the ALP had it on.

But the libs have buggered it up so badly now the ALP can just focus on Abbott and hope everyone fogets what retards they were.

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Reply #20 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 11:12am

Both parties are extreme, but in opposite directions. Howard started this welfare binge; Gillard wasn't strong enough to curtail it, but Abbott has gone totally in the other direction.

His slashing technique is going to stuff up the economy. Purse strings are already being tightened in preparation and consumer confidence is starting to spiral downwards. It had started to improve considerably before Abbott came to power.

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Reply #21 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58am

mantra wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 11:12am:

Both parties are extreme, but in opposite directions. Howard started this welfare binge; Gillard wasn't strong enough to curtail it, but Abbott has gone totally in the other direction.

His slashing technique is going to stuff up the economy. Purse strings are already being tightened in preparation and consumer confidence is starting to spiral downwards. It had started to improve considerably before Abbott came to power.

Really? Extreme? In opposite directions?

Seriously. Neither of these things are true. They are the mainstream parties and largely agree on policy. It's only in the details where they differ. The Socialist Alliance is extreme, The Australian Protectionist Party is extreme.

The ALP focus more of social programs, the Coalition more on business.

The "welfare binge" is due primarily to an aging population.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96446	Re: Dellusion from the right Reply #22 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 12:22pm Say what you’ll do and do what you say, that’s Mr Abbott’s motto. What a tall glass of water.
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Re: Dellusion from the right
Reply #23 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 12:29pm

Kytro wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

mantra wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 11:12am:

Both parties are extreme, but in opposite directions. Howard started this welfare binge; Gillard wasn't strong enough to curtail it, but Abbott has gone totally in the other direction.

His slashing technique is going to stuff up the economy. Purse strings are already being tightened in preparation and consumer confidence is starting to spiral downwards. It had started to improve considerably before Abbott came to power.

Really? Extreme? In opposite directions?

Seriously. Neither of these things are true. They are the mainstream parties and largely agree on policy. It's only in the details where they differ. The Socialist Alliance is extreme, The Australian Protectionist Party is extreme.

The ALP focus more of social programs, the Coalition more on business.

The "welfare binge" is due primarily to an aging population.

Agreed

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Reply #24 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 1:00pm

IQSRLOW wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:17am:

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To cut family tax benefits of working families whilst paying some rich bitch $50k to have a baby at this point in time is ridiculous.

Weren't you lefties screeching about "teh middle class welfare" not that long ago? You think that a family on $150K should have a govt handout?

no, but how does giving someone on that $50 000 to have a baby help things?

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #25 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 2:05pm

skippy. wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:46am:

Swagman wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:27am:

skippy. wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:50am:

Swagman wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:46am:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:31am:

Aside from the fact that there is no budget emergency

..if you believe that you are the deluded one Smithy.

The overwhelming majority of financial experts say there is no budget emergency. The only people saying it are the government and the stupid people that believe the government, which is shrinking by the day to now comprising just the pure stupid rusted ons of around 45% TPP.

List the experts Skip and they can join the ranks of the deluded?

Then read this.

http://archive.treasury.gov.au/igr/igr2010/Overview/html/overview_04.htm

Quote:

In 2010, there will be an estimated 5 people of traditional working age for every person aged 65 and over.

By 2050 only 2.7 people of traditional working age are projected for every person aged 65 and over.

This results in lower future work force participation rates, and therefore slower future rates of economic growth.

At the same time, an ageing population will place greater demands on government services.

That is a 'serious' budget emergency.

Especially if you have young kids. By the time they are in their mid-twenties they will have to be paying double the marginal tax rates we today (that'll be 60% + Shocked

) just to maintain the current level of social welfare and social security.

If the budget emergency had teeth it would bite you and your so-called financial experts on the Rs... Grin

You're making the claim, you list the experts that say its a budget emergency. Roll Eyes

Whatabout your hero Wayne Swan. He identified it, commissioned reports on it, and did effall about it. Grin

(except to make it worse)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-02-01/ageing-population-dragging-australia-into-...
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WAYNE SWAN FEB 2010
This means that 2050 government spending will outstrip revenue by 2.75 per cent of GDP, with half of all government spending going towards health care, aged pensions and aged care.

At present around a quarter of Government spending is on health.

If nothing is done to close the "fiscal gap", Australia's net debt will hit 20 per cent of GDP and the Budget would be in deficit by 3.75 per cent by 2050.

That is in comparison to the latest Budget projections that put the net debt peaking at 13 per cent in 2013.

The report also predicts that while living standards will still rise, they will do so at a slower rate than the past 40 years, with just 2.7 people working to support the costs of older Australians compared to five to one now.

Mr Swan told the National Press Club that if action is taken now it will avoid harsher adjustments in the future. Shocked

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Re: Dellusion from the right
Reply #26 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 2:21pm

Kytro wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 11:58am:

mantra wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 11:12am:

Both parties are extreme, but in opposite directions. Howard started this welfare binge; Gillard wasn't strong enough to curtail it, but Abbott has gone totally in the other direction.

His slashing technique is going to stuff up the economy. Purse strings are already being tightened in preparation and consumer confidence is starting to spiral downwards. It had started to improve considerably before Abbott came to power.

Really? Extreme? In opposite directions?

Seriously. Neither of these things are true. They are the mainstream parties and largely agree on policy. It's only in the details where they differ. The Socialist Alliance is extreme, The Australian Protectionist Party is extreme.

The ALP focus more of social programs, the Coalition more on business.

The "welfare binge" is due primarily to an aging population.

Yep its all the fault of us oldies who have paid taxes all our lives. Its our fault that we subsidised Medicare and kept you well. Its our fault that we looked after our kids and grandkids while you selfishly went to work to buy a home. Its out fault that our taxes went to paying pensions for our parents and grandparents.

We are so damn selfish to expect a thing from this generation!

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OldnCrusty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 855 Gender:	Re: Dellusion from the right Reply #27 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 2:35pm King FriYAY II wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:16am: Abbott is an A grade nice person. That would be on the scale where Hitler is rated as D, Stalin as a D-, Dracula as a C
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Cliff48 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics /> Posts: 2109 Canberra Gender:	Re: Dellusion from the right Reply #28 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 2:38pm OldnCrusty wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 2:35pm: King FriYAY II wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:16am: Abbott is an A grade nice person. That would be on the scale where Hitler is rated as D, Stalin as a D-, Dracula as a C Try using linear scares - not logarithmic
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woody2014 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2044 NTH EAST VIC Gender:	Re: Dellusion from the right Reply #29 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 2:41pm OldnCrusty wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 2:35pm: King FriYAY II wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:16am: Abbott is an A grade nice person. That would be on the scale where Hitler is rated as D, Stalin as a D-, Dracula as a C And your good self an F and W
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