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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Doctors Already Reporting A Drop In Visits. Reply #15 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:04pm I am seeing an issue. This will cost Mr Abbott votes, at the next election.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Doctors Already Reporting A Drop In Visits. Reply #16 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:05pm Quote: I am seeing an issue. This will cost Mr Abbott votes, at the next election. Only IF it is implemented...
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Reply #17 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:19pm

Grendel wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 5:52pm:

I guess that means the policy is working even though it hasn't started yet eh.

If you call dissuading sick people from getting themselves checked out and almost certainly creating further load on our hospitals later on a "working policy" - then yeah.

And before you bring up that "too many people are visiting the doctor" crap again, thats already been debunked - we are actually below the OECD average for doctor visits.

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Reply #18 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:24pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Just as a little bit of a reminder - in classic economic theory, price and cost are tools to adjust the supply/demand curve to bring demand more into line with the ability to provide.

Increasing cost has a purpose of deterring people from going.

This is shown to be happening.

I'm not seeing an issue....

Tell me Andrei, does anything even closely resembling human blood run through your veins. Where on your price cost curve do you plot the people who need to go to the doctors but dont (or worse still don't send their kids to the doctors) because they are "deterred" by the cost. There's no way to make a community with "things" like you. You really are a dead weight on the rest of us.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85298 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Doctors Already Reporting A Drop In Visits. Reply #19 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:30pm Let me get this right - raising the price will not affect the number of doctors available, so again - it is highly likely that reduced 'trade' will mean those docs will raise their prices..... Sounds like a serious win win for everybody but the ill.....
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Reply #20 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:33pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 5:39pm:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Abbott will be proud !!!!! Cheesy

Shorten is the one who should be proud...it proves that the disinformation campaign is working on stupid people.

So lets get this clear. Are you saying that shorten is on a disinformation campaign because he is not saying to the Aust people that when Abbott says he wants to introduce a co-payment Abbott doesnt really intend to introduce one.

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Reply #21 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:39pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 5:39pm:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Abbott will be proud !!!!! Cheesy

Shorten is the one who should be proud...it proves that the disinformation campaign is working on stupid people.

So lets get this clear. Are you saying that shorten is on a disinformation campaign because he is not saying to the Aust people that when Abbott says he wants to introduce a co-payment Abbott doesnt really intend to introduce one.

Pretty much. Shorten (or Labor) have been carrying on about it like it's ALREADY been implemented, knowing full well that they and the Greens are never going to let it pass the Senate without it being either heavily modified or dropped completely.

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Reply #22 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:49pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Just as a little bit of a reminder - in classic economic theory, price and cost are tools to adjust the supply/demand curve to bring demand more into line with the ability to provide.

Increasing cost has a purpose of deterring people from going.

This is shown to be happening.

I'm not seeing an issue....

Tell me Andrei, does anything even closely resembling human blood run through your veins. Where on your price cost curve do you plot the people who need to go to the doctors but dont (or worse still don't send their kids to the doctors) because they are "deterred" by the cost. There's no way to make a community with "things" like you. You really are a dead weight on the rest of us.

And we are all getting a bit sick of carrying that dead weight, but you've got to see it from Andrei's perspective. His children will be going to the doctor when they get sick.

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Reply #23 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:54pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Let me get this right - raising the price will not affect the number of doctors available, so again - it is highly likely that reduced 'trade' will mean those docs will raise their prices.....

Sounds like a serious win win for everybody but the ill.....

I doubt they will raise any prices.

Its more a case of on the supply-demand curve the demand outweighs the supply.
You need to adjust it down so it becomes in sync.

Price and cost is the most effective mechanism for syncing the economic curve. Always has been - unless that curve is inelastic.
Which this one is not.

You do all this in 1st year economics.

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Reply #24 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:57pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:49pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Just as a little bit of a reminder - in classic economic theory, price and cost are tools to adjust the supply/demand curve to bring demand more into line with the ability to provide.

Increasing cost has a purpose of deterring people from going.

This is shown to be happening.

I'm not seeing an issue....

Tell me Andrei, does anything even closely resembling human blood run through your veins. Where on your price cost curve do you plot the people who need to go to the doctors but dont (or worse still don't send their kids to the doctors) because they are "deterred" by the cost. There's no way to make a community with "things" like you. You really are a dead weight on the rest of us.

And we are all getting a bit sick of carrying that dead weight, but you've got to see it from Andrei's perspective. His children will be going to the doctor when they get sick.

My children will go to the doctor WHEN they are sick and not waste their time from the excessive hypochondria which exists in waiting rooms these days.
It is these folk that will be deterred by a price.

Why do you think we have a price on things like fast track airport lines, valet parking, 4/5 star hotels - so everyone doesn't use it!!

Price is a classic mechanism to reduce down demand. It really isn't a difficult concept to grasp....

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Reply #25 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 7:13pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:49pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Just as a little bit of a reminder - in classic economic theory, price and cost are tools to adjust the supply/demand curve to bring demand more into line with the ability to provide.

Increasing cost has a purpose of deterring people from going.

This is shown to be happening.

I'm not seeing an issue....

Tell me Andrei, does anything even closely resembling human blood run through your veins. Where on your price cost curve do you plot the people who need to go to the doctors but dont (or worse still don't send their kids to the doctors) because they are "deterred" by the cost. There's no way to make a community with "things" like you. You really are a dead weight on the rest of us.

And we are all getting a bit sick of carrying that dead weight, but you've got to see it from Andrei's perspective. His children will be going to the doctor when they get sick.

My children will go to the doctor WHEN they are sick and not waste their time from the excessive hypochondria which exists in waiting rooms these days.
It is these folk that will be deterred by a price.

Why do you think we have a price on things like fast track airport lines, valet parking, 4/5 star hotels - so everyone doesn't use it!!

Price is a classic mechanism to reduce down demand. It really isn't a difficult concept to grasp....

That is a false analogy. Access to medical treatment is hardly akin to any of your examples. Further, unless things have changed over there, your kids can rock up to a Hospital and get absolutely free treatment as often as they like.

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Reply #26 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 7:17pm

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 7:13pm:

Further, unless things have changed over there, your kids can rock up to a Hospital and get absolutely free treatment as often as they like.

And the result?

‘NHS should fine time-wasting patients’

It is demanding an overhaul of National Health Service funding and will also argue that common painkillers and cold remedies should no longer be available on the NHS and that patients are encouraged to pay for the best treatment.

Julia Manning, chief executive of 2020Health, said: “The demands on healthcare are rising every day and too many people are still treating the NHS like it’s a bottomless pit.

“We need to deter those who abuse the system and encourage people to look after themselves more through self-care and information.” The report found patients who consult their GPs rather than going to a chemist for treatment are costing the NHS £380million a year.

2020Health will send copies of its publication to key politicians including health secretary Andrew Lansley.

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Reply #27 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 7:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 7:13pm:

Further, unless things have changed over there, your kids can rock up to a Hospital and get absolutely free treatment as often as they like.

And the result?

‘NHS should fine time-wasting patients’

It is demanding an overhaul of National Health Service funding and will also argue that common painkillers and cold remedies should no longer be available on the NHS and that patients are encouraged to pay for the best treatment.

Julia Manning, chief executive of 2020Health, said: “The demands on healthcare are rising every day and too many people are still treating the NHS like it’s a bottomless pit.

“We need to deter those who abuse the system and encourage people to look after themselves more through self-care and information.” The report found patients who consult their GPs rather than going to a chemist for treatment are costing the NHS £380million a year.

2020Health will send copies of its publication to key politicians including health secretary Andrew Lansley.

Let me guess. The link will be to some conservative, right wing mob who all seem not to like the concept of universal health care.

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Reply #28 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 7:49pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:49pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Just as a little bit of a reminder - in classic economic theory, price and cost are tools to adjust the supply/demand curve to bring demand more into line with the ability to provide.

Increasing cost has a purpose of deterring people from going.

This is shown to be happening.

I'm not seeing an issue....

Tell me Andrei, does anything even closely resembling human blood run through your veins. Where on your price cost curve do you plot the people who need to go to the doctors but dont (or worse still don't send their kids to the doctors) because they are "deterred" by the cost. There's no way to make a community with "things" like you. You really are a dead weight on the rest of us.

And we are all getting a bit sick of carrying that dead weight, but you've got to see it from Andrei's perspective. His children will be going to the doctor when they get sick.

My children will go to the doctor WHEN they are sick and not waste their time from the excessive hypochondria which exists in waiting rooms these days.
It is these folk that will be deterred by a price.

Why do you think we have a price on things like fast track airport lines, valet parking, 4/5 star hotels - so everyone doesn't use it!!

Price is a classic mechanism to reduce down demand. It really isn't a difficult concept to grasp....

This is called making up economics as you go. You believe what you want to believe even though you have absolutely no way of knowing how many people in that waiting room are hypocondracs. And besides hypocondria is a medical condition.

Wikipedia: "Hypochondriasis or hypochondria (sometimes referred to as health phobia or health anxiety) refers to excessive preoccupancy or worry about having a serious illness. This debilitating condition is the result of an inaccurate perception of the condition of body or mind despite the absence of an actual medical condition." And for the other 99.9% in a waiting room to see the doctor you choose to believe that they just do it for the fun of it. Why would you do that. Not because you care what the truth is but you're always busy counting $$$$$. Like I said, while we are all trying our best to support each other to build a community (because that's what humans are, gregarious) you are a dead weight burden on humanity.

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Reply #29 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 8:09pm

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 7:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Aussie wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 7:13pm:

Further, unless things have changed over there, your kids can rock up to a Hospital and get absolutely free treatment as often as they like.

And the result?

‘NHS should fine time-wasting patients’

It is demanding an overhaul of National Health Service funding and will also argue that common painkillers and cold remedies should no longer be available on the NHS and that patients are encouraged to pay for the best treatment.

Julia Manning, chief executive of 2020Health, said: “The demands on healthcare are rising every day and too many people are still treating the NHS like it’s a bottomless pit.

“We need to deter those who abuse the system and encourage people to look after themselves more through self-care and information.” The report found patients who consult their GPs rather than going to a chemist for treatment are costing the NHS £380million a year.

2020Health will send copies of its publication to key politicians including health secretary Andrew Lansley.

Let me guess. The link will be to some conservative, right wing mob who all seem not to like the concept of universal health care.

Hardly, its from the Daily Express reporting the thoughts of a Government think tank working to reduce down the cost of healthcare and the waste of public money in the NHS.

And yes i am against universal healthcare for free.

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