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islam the doctrine of death
May 24^th, 2014 at 5:32pm

I started this thread to show that islam is the doctrine of death.

muslims lie incessantly: about the religion of peace, islam is against suicide, is the first issue I'll post

Well every single verse of the qur'an below inspires suicide in the way of allah

qur'an 4.74: Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the way of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

qur'an 2.207: And among men is he who sells himself to seek the pleasure of Allah; and Allah is Affectionate to the servants.

qur'an 3.156: O ye who believe! Be not like the Unbelievers, who say of their brethren, when they are travelling through the Earth or engaged in fighting: "If they had stayed with us, they would not have died, or been slain." This that Allah may make it a cause of sighs and regrets in their hearts. It is Allah that gives Life and Death, and Allah sees well all that ye do.

qur'an 3.157: And if ye are slain, or die, in the way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass.

qur'an 3.158: And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! it is unto Allah that ye are brought together.

qur'an 3.169: Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord;

qur'an 9.111: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme

qur'an 22.58: Those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die,- On them will Allah bestow verily a goodly Provision: Truly Allah is He Who bestows the best provision

qur'an 47.4: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

The hadi'th verses below also show that muhammad expected men to commit suicide.

Bukahari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 54:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Al1ah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.

Muslim Book 020, Number 4678:
It has been reported on the authority of Jabir that a man said: Messenger of Allah, where shall I be if I am killed? He replied: In Paradise. The man threw away the dates he had in his hand and fought until he was killed

Muslim Book 020, Number 4655:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Of the men he lives the best life who holds the reins of his horse (ever ready to march) in the way of Allah, flies on its back whenever he hears a fearful shriek, or a call for help, flies to it seeking death at places where it can be expected. (Next to him) is a man who lives with his sheep at a hill-top or in a valley, says his prayers regularly, gives Zakat and worships his Lord until death comes to him. There is no better person among men except these two.

Muslim Book 020, Number 4681:
The tradition has been narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah b. Qais. He heard it from his father who, while facing the enemy, reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Surely, the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords. A man in a shabby condition got up and said; Abu Musa, did you hear the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say this? He said: Yes. (The narrator said): He returned to his friends and said: I greet you (a farewell greeting). Then he broke the sheath of his sword, threw it away, advanced with his (naked) sword towards the enemy and fought (them) with it until he was slain.

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Re: islam the doctrine of death
Reply #1 - May 24^th, 2014 at 5:35pm

Continuing from above

Muslim Book 020, Number 4635:
It has been narrated on the authority of Anas b. Malik (through a different chain of transmitters) that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Nobody who enters Paradise will (ever like to) return to this world even if he were offered everything on the surface of the earth (as an inducement) except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed ten times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him.

Martyr: One who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty for refusing to renounce their religion.

muslims have bastardised the meaning of the word martyr. They use it to describe a muslim who commits suicide, while trying to kill you for not accepting his religion.

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austranger Gold Member Offline Opinionated Sod Posts: 1506 adelaide Gender:	Re: islam the doctrine of death Reply #2 - May 24^th, 2014 at 5:48pm YAWN Here we go again, don't you [respected forum members] ever get tired of ranting to each other?
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: islam the doctrine of death Reply #3 - May 24^th, 2014 at 5:54pm austranger wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 5:48pm: Here we go again, don't you bigots ever get tired of ranting to each other? Why don't you look up the "present" meaning of "Bigot"? [edit]
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Reply #4 - May 24^th, 2014 at 6:32pm

austranger wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 5:48pm:

YAWN

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Here we go again, don't you

[respected forum members]

ever get tired of ranting to each other? Grin

Christians like moses is just cut that Mohamed on a camel and wearing thongs defeated his people.

For example was battle of badr, Mohammed small in number beat a bigger more equipped army.

And again in another battle of Uhud, Mohamed in his thongs defeated a army 50 times bigger than his.

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Reply #5 - May 24^th, 2014 at 6:38pm

Battle of the trench.

Mohamed with his 3000 troops overcame a much stronger army of 10,000 men.

The Battle of the Trench (Arabic: غزوة الخندق, translit.: Ghazwah al-Khandaq) also known as the Battle of the Confederates (Arabic: غزوة الاحزاب, translit.: Ghazwah al-Ahzab), was a fortnight-long siege of Yathrib (now Medina) by Arab and Jewish tribes. The strength of the confederate armies is estimated around 10,000 men with six hundred horses and some camels, while the Medinan defenders numbered 3,000. The battle began on March 31, 627.

The largely outnumbered defenders of Medina, mainly Muslims led by Islamic prophet Muhammad, dug a trench, which together with Medina's natural fortifications, rendered the confederate cavalry (consisting of horses and camels) useless, locking the two sides in a stalemate. Hoping to make several attacks at once, the confederates persuaded the Medina-allied Banu Qurayza to attack the city from the south. However, Muhammad's diplomacy derailed the negotiations, and broke up the confederacy against him. The well-organized defenders, the sinking of confederate morale, and poor weather conditions caused the siege to end in a fiasco.

The siege was a "battle of wits", in which the Muslims tactically overcame their opponents while suffering very few casualties. Efforts to defeat the Muslims failed, and Islam became influential in the region. As a consequence, the Muslim army besieged the neighbourhood of the Banu Qurayza tribe, leading to their unconditional surrender.

The defeat caused the Meccans to lose their trade and much of their prestige

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austranger Gold Member Offline Opinionated Sod Posts: 1506 adelaide Gender:	Re: islam the doctrine of death Reply #6 - May 24^th, 2014 at 6:45pm Great Scott Superman, are you saying people actually believe these ancient myths and fables?
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Reply #7 - May 24^th, 2014 at 7:13pm

muhammad was a coward who did not believe his own lies that allah would protect him, or if he died he would go straight to paradise

The below is from here

There are many places where Muhammad says that he trusts Allah to protect him:

O Messenger! Make known that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord, for if thou do it not, thou wilt not have conveyed His message. Allah will protect thee from mankind. Lo! Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk. (Quran 5:67, see also 8:30)

Nor can a soul die except by Allah's leave… (Quran 3:145)
He also encourages his men to believe that they will be safe, even to the point of being reckless in battle:
[Auf bin Harith asked] “O Allah’s apostle, what makes Allah laugh with joy at his servant?” He answered, “When he plunges into the midst of the enemy without mail.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 445)

As it turns out, Auf took his advice and did exactly that:
Auf drew off the mail-coat that was on him and threw it away: then he seized his sword and fought the enemy till he was slain. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 445)
Auf’s fate at the Battle of Badr must have made an impression on Muhammad because the next time the prophet of Islam went into battle (at Uhud) he was sure to put on two coats of armour beforehand! (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 560)

Other parts of the Battle of Uhud seem to support the idea that Muhammad was having second thoughts about the ability of Allah and his angels to protect him. He not only planted himself firmly at the rear of his army, but also made sure that he was surrounded by a small group of bodyguards. This was a strategic decision that actually backfired when the enemy unexpectedly outflanked the Muslims and advanced directly into his area.

Allah’s angels were nowhere to be found, and Muhammad, desperate to save his own skin, began selling paradise to the men around him in exchange for their lives:

It has been reported on the authority of Anas b. Malik that (when the enemy got the upper hand) on the day of the Battle of Uhud, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was left with only seven men from the Ansar and two men from the Quraish. When the enemy advanced towards him and overwhelmed him, he said: Whoso turns them away from us will attain Paradise or will be my Companion in Paradise. A man from the Ansar came forward and fought (the enemy) until he was killed. The enemy advanced and overwhelmed him again and he repeated the words: Whoso turns them away, from us will attain Paradise or will be my Companion in Paradise. A man from the Ansar came forward and fought until he was killed. This state continued until the seven Ansar were killed (one after the other). Muslim 19:4413)

As the passage relates, seven men stepped forward, one-by-one, to be slain in defense of Muhammad on the promise that they would be his “companion in paradise.” (None appeared to question why Muhammad himself was so anxious to avoid the wonderful hereafter).

One man named Abu Dujana “made his body a shield for the apostle” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 573). According to the account, his back literally bristled with arrows until he fell over dead.

For his part, Muhammad managed to flee the battle for the safety of a nearby mountain:

“The apostle made for a rock on the mountain to climb it. He had become heavy by reason of his age, and moreover he had put on two coats of mail so when he tried to get up he could not so. Talha squatted beneath him and lifted him up until he settled comfortably up on it.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 577)

Muhammad was a cowardly bit of gear who lied to get his men to commit suicide, in order that Muhammad would not die

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Reply #8 - May 24^th, 2014 at 7:20pm

moses wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

muhammad was a coward who did not believe his own lies that allah would protect him, or if he died he would go straight to paradise

The below is from here

There are many places where Muhammad says that he trusts Allah to protect him:

O Messenger! Make known that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord, for if thou do it not, thou wilt not have conveyed His message. Allah will protect thee from mankind. Lo! Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk. (Quran 5:67, see also 8:30)

Nor can a soul die except by Allah's leave… (Quran 3:145)
He also encourages his men to believe that they will be safe, even to the point of being reckless in battle:
[Auf bin Harith asked] “O Allah’s apostle, what makes Allah laugh with joy at his servant?” He answered, “When he plunges into the midst of the enemy without mail.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 445)

As it turns out, Auf took his advice and did exactly that:
Auf drew off the mail-coat that was on him and threw it away: then he seized his sword and fought the enemy till he was slain. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 445)
Auf’s fate at the Battle of Badr must have made an impression on Muhammad because the next time the prophet of Islam went into battle (at Uhud) he was sure to put on two coats of armour beforehand! (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 560)

Other parts of the Battle of Uhud seem to support the idea that Muhammad was having second thoughts about the ability of Allah and his angels to protect him. He not only planted himself firmly at the rear of his army, but also made sure that he was surrounded by a small group of bodyguards. This was a strategic decision that actually backfired when the enemy unexpectedly outflanked the Muslims and advanced directly into his area.

Allah’s angels were nowhere to be found, and Muhammad, desperate to save his own skin, began selling paradise to the men around him in exchange for their lives:

It has been reported on the authority of Anas b. Malik that (when the enemy got the upper hand) on the day of the Battle of Uhud, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was left with only seven men from the Ansar and two men from the Quraish. When the enemy advanced towards him and overwhelmed him, he said: Whoso turns them away from us will attain Paradise or will be my Companion in Paradise. A man from the Ansar came forward and fought (the enemy) until he was killed. The enemy advanced and overwhelmed him again and he repeated the words: Whoso turns them away, from us will attain Paradise or will be my Companion in Paradise. A man from the Ansar came forward and fought until he was killed. This state continued until the seven Ansar were killed (one after the other). Muslim 19:4413)

As the passage relates, seven men stepped forward, one-by-one, to be slain in defense of Muhammad on the promise that they would be his “companion in paradise.” (None appeared to question why Muhammad himself was so anxious to avoid the wonderful hereafter).

One man named Abu Dujana “made his body a shield for the apostle” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 573). According to the account, his back literally bristled with arrows until he fell over dead.

For his part, Muhammad managed to flee the battle for the safety of a nearby mountain:

“The apostle made for a rock on the mountain to climb it. He had become heavy by reason of his age, and moreover he had put on two coats of mail so when he tried to get up he could not so. Talha squatted beneath him and lifted him up until he settled comfortably up on it.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 577)

Muhammad was a cowardly bit of gear who lied to get his men to commit suicide, in order that Muhammad would not die

O be quiet loser.

Just admit you lost.

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Reply #9 - May 24^th, 2014 at 7:21pm

Is to commit murder and to commit mayhem, funny ['ha ha'] ?

Moslems must think that it is!

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"If you call us violent, ......we will kill you!!"

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

Boko Haram in Sydney are threatening to murder us too.

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THOSE MOSLEMS IN SYDNEY, are in a rage, and they mad at us - well, at people like me !!!!

Coz we infidels have the audacity and the impudence, to have read the Sunna of Mohammed.

How dare we!!!!! Cheesy

Dictionary;
Sunna = = the traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims.

Quote:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger"
= = Mohammed was in the company of these men.

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"
= = it was some form of raiding party, where they, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'.

"and we desired them"
= = hmmmm, i wonder what that means?

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"
= = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust.

"(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them."
= = in their minds, they sought to sexually 'use' these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them.

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them"
= = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.

Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here;

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #10 - May 24^th, 2014 at 7:29pm

Yadda wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Boko Haram in Sydney are threatening to murder us too.

EXPLANATION;

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google it.

Boko Haram in Sydney are threatening to murder us too.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #11 - May 24^th, 2014 at 7:33pm

Oh look, it's Yadda, the genocide advocate who supports infanticide (as long as it's not done to Christians, obviously)

Want me to show you again that the vast majority of Australian Muslims condemned the riots you so love posting over and over and over again?

At least you stopped lying about what taqqiya means, baby steps

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #12 - May 24^th, 2014 at 7:39pm

Here is another member of Boko Haram, from Sydney;

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Mohamed Elomar - from Sydney [?]

Quote:

Brisbane woman charged for supporting terrorism whilst her Australian husband fights in Syrian civil war as member of a brutal militant group - so extreme it's rejected by Al-Qaeda
19 May 2014

Authorities confirm that her husband is Mohamed Elomar, who left Sydney in November to fight in Syria

He openly declares his loyalty to jihadist Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, on a Facebook page

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...

They are all, Boko Haram.

.....or the PFLPPF, or the PLO, ISIS,

Life of Brian - The People's Front of Judea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #13 - May 24^th, 2014 at 7:47pm

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

Oh look, it's Yadda, the genocide advocate who supports infanticide (as long as it's not done to Christians, obviously)

Want me to show you again that the vast majority of Australian Muslims condemned the riots you so love posting over and over and over again?

At least you stopped lying about what taqqiya means, baby steps

Hi Stratos.

Yes, you say that.

You say that the vast majority of Australian moslems condemned the riots.

gandalf condemns Boko Haram too!!!!!

.....but gandalf can't do a thing about Boko Haram !

THE VERY SAME Boko Haram WHO ARE BRINGING THE NAME OF ISLAM INTO DISREPUTE AROUND THE WORLD!

Why not ?

Stratos,

How does Anjem Choudary explain this moslem inaction, in the face of moslem wrongdoing ???

Hmmmm?

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #14 - May 24^th, 2014 at 7:48pm

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

Oh look, it's Yadda, the genocide advocate who supports infanticide (as long as it's not done to Christians, obviously)

Want me to show you again that the vast majority of Australian Muslims condemned the riots you so love posting over and over and over again?

At least you stopped lying about what taqqiya means, baby steps

Oh Look, its Stratos who does not believe in the genocide of infants in the bible because he knows that there is no god. Admits that the old testament is a load of fables but wishes to persecute those who believe it true. Want me to show you again what a load of crap you preach.

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