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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: islam the doctrine of death Reply #15 - May 25^th, 2014 at 11:44am I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death.
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Reply #16 - May 25^th, 2014 at 11:54am

moses wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death.

Jews and christians-Ha ha Ha, look at Mohammed and his 20 followers with there donkeys, we will crush them and jesus will rule the world.

Muslims-Ok Muslims, yes we are smaller and weaker in Number, but lets put up a fair fight.

Jews and christians- We will defeat the muslims and make them submit to jesus.

Muslims-Ok boys lets work together and try to beat these jews and christians.

Jews and christians-damn the muslims beat us and we were bigger and more stronger in Number, where was jesus when we needed him.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: islam the doctrine of death Reply #17 - May 25^th, 2014 at 12:19pm I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death.
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Reply #18 - May 25^th, 2014 at 12:51pm

wally1 wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

moses wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death.

Jews and christians-Ha ha Ha, look at Mohammed and his 20 followers with there donkeys, we will crush them and jesus will rule the world.

Muslims-Ok Muslims, yes we are smaller and weaker in Number, but lets put up a fair fight.

Jews and christians- We will defeat the muslims and make them submit to jesus.

Muslims-Ok boys lets work together and try to beat these jews and christians.

Jews and christians-damn the muslims beat us and we were bigger and more stronger in Number, where was jesus when we needed him.

Is this a typical outlook among Muslims?

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austranger Gold Member Offline Opinionated Sod Posts: 1506 adelaide Gender:	Re: islam the doctrine of death Reply #19 - May 25^th, 2014 at 1:09pm moses wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 12:19pm: I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death. Wrong, no-one can be bothered disputing with prejudice, it's a no-brainer, in several senses!
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Reply #20 - May 25^th, 2014 at 1:13pm

Adamant wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

austranger wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 5:48pm:

Here we go again, don't you bigots ever get tired of ranting to each other?

Why don't you look up the "present" meaning of "Bigot"?

[edit]

bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person's ethnicity, evaluative orientation, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Despite someone changing my post I stand by this, it is NOT an insult, merely an accurate definition of what is regularly displayed in these posts. Wink

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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: islam the doctrine of death Reply #21 - May 25^th, 2014 at 1:32pm moses wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 12:19pm: I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death. Whats the difference between suicde and the drones used by the west killing thousands of innocent civilians?
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: islam the doctrine of death Reply #22 - May 25^th, 2014 at 3:38pm Wally1 wrote: Quote: Whats the difference between suicde and the drones used by the west killing thousands of innocent civilians? You don't know the difference? suicide: 1/.The act of killing yourself 2/.A person who kills himself intentionally killing: The act of terminating a life
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Reply #23 - May 27^th, 2014 at 11:07am

Another verse from the qur'an promoting death as the islamic religious way of life

qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

Once again the doctrine of death rears it's ugly head in islamic teachings
It's plain and simple, if you want to punish your wife for lewdness you simply kill her.

Honour killings of muslim wives and daughters is sanctioned in islam

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Reply #24 - May 27^th, 2014 at 11:56am

moses wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Another verse from the qur'an promoting death as the islamic religious way of life

qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

Once again the doctrine of death rears it's ugly head in islamic teachings
It's plain and simple, if you want to punish your wife for lewdness you simply kill her.

Honour killings of muslim wives and daughters is sanctioned in islam

The above relates to a women who commits adultery.

Sam poo in your bible to,

Leviticus 20:10 s

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Revelation 2:22

Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works,

Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

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Reply #25 - May 27^th, 2014 at 12:36pm

The punishment for adultery is death by stoning. I've never heard of this death by starvation for lewdness thing before. It doesn't make a lot of sense. Being the wife, she is going to know where the kitchen is, so confining her to the house until she starves might take a while. And what are you going to eat in the meantime? Is she supposed to cook for you while she is starving to death?

Also, many progressive Muslims (not naming any names) insist that death for adultery is not in the Koran. Are they lying?

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: islam the doctrine of death Reply #26 - May 27^th, 2014 at 12:51pm Yes they are lying as usual Freediver, I believe the verse is telling muslims to simply lock her up (Confine her) deprive her of everything, after you have to do it till she dies of starvation. It's an automatic next step to the honour killings saga of muslims
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: islam the doctrine of death Reply #27 - May 27^th, 2014 at 12:51pm moses wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 11:07am: until death [by starvation] claims them.”
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Reply #28 - May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm

Wally! wrote: Quote:

The above relates to a women who commits adultery.

Sam poo in your bible to,

Leviticus 20:10 s
“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Revelation 2:22
Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works,

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

The Old Testament verses are a narrative of the covenant between YHWH and the Israelites, there was not one single Christian on the earth in those days

Now to get to Christians, first you have been entirely dishonest by quoting the Old Testament.

I direct you to the Christian verses which clearly state that O.T. Law is finished and no longer the criteria for Christians:

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

The above plainly says the Law finished at the time of John

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

The above all plainly state that man cannot justify themselves by the Law

Why were you so dishonest Wally?

Now to get to the Revelations verse you quoted, it certainly says absolutely nothing about death being inflicted.

It also contains the words unless they repent of her works,

You see the Christian principle of repentance has been applied to this verse

Again very dishonest of you Wally

However to show you the difference between Christian and muslim teaching I quote the following:

Bible: Quote:

John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them,

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her

Christ represents forgiveness and compassion.

Then we have:
qur'an: Quote:

qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

qur’an 24:33 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

allah / muhammad symbolize forced prostitution / rape and death.

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Reply #29 - May 27^th, 2014 at 1:51pm

moses wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Wally! wrote: Quote:

The above relates to a women who commits adultery.

Sam poo in your bible to,

Leviticus 20:10 s
“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Revelation 2:22
Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works,

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

The Old Testament verses are a narrative of the covenant between YHWH and the Israelites, there was not one single Christian on the earth in those days

Now to get to Christians, first you have been entirely dishonest by quoting the Old Testament.

I direct you to the Christian verses which clearly state that O.T. Law is finished and no longer the criteria for Christians:

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

The above plainly says the Law finished at the time of John

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

The above all plainly state that man cannot justify themselves by the Law

Why were you so dishonest Wally?

Now to get to the Revelations verse you quoted, it certainly says absolutely nothing about death being inflicted.

It also contains the words unless they repent of her works,

You see the Christian principle of repentance has been applied to this verse

Again very dishonest of you Wally

However to show you the difference between Christian and muslim teaching I quote the following:

Bible: Quote:

John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them,

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her

Christ represents forgiveness and compassion.

Then we have:
qur'an: Quote:

qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

qur’an 24:33 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

allah / muhammad symbolize forced prostitution / rape and death.

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Just shows 100% of Christians where evil sinners.

Thanks moses.

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