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moses

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Re: islam the doctrine of death
Reply #30 - May 27^th, 2014 at 2:27pm

There's not a man alive that is perfect.

muhammad was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer, he turned these atrocities into a cult (islam)

islam is the doctrine of death in a large portion of it's tenets.

muslims cannot accept responsibility for their faults, failings and the cult that is the root cause of atrocities they commit today.

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Re: islam the doctrine of death
Reply #31 - May 27^th, 2014 at 3:05pm

moses wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

There's not a man alive that is perfect.

muhammad was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer, he turned these atrocities into a cult (islam)

islam is the doctrine of death in a large portion of it's tenets.

muslims cannot accept responsibility for their faults, failings and the cult that is the root cause of atrocities they commit today.

You make the christian religion sound silly.

First you say That God punished the fornicators and adulterers, then God turns around and changes his mind around and says there is no punishment and that he forgives people that commit adultery?

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Reply #32 - May 27^th, 2014 at 4:17pm

wally1 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

moses wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

There's not a man alive that is perfect.

muhammad was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer, he turned these atrocities into a cult (islam)

islam is the doctrine of death in a large portion of it's tenets.

muslims cannot accept responsibility for their faults, failings and the cult that is the root cause of atrocities they commit today.

You make the christian religion sound silly.

First you say That God punished the fornicators and adulterers, then God turns around and changes his mind around and says there is no punishment and that he forgives people that commit adultery?

Yes that's because he sent His only Son into to world to pay the price for them all because He loved them so much. The wages of sin was death and only His sinless Son could pay the prices out of love for everyone. So anyone who accepts the free pardon provided by His Son has his sins forgiven. That is the whole message of Christianity.

Islam has no parallel nor concept as it just says everyone else got it wrong whilst trying to ride of their backs to try and make the concept of Islam legit which clearly it was just one warlords message to pillage and plunder. The Quaran wasn't even around when he existed as claimed. Claiming to be an Abrahamic religion descending from Ishmael is a joke. They would have been better off making up an entire new God rather than try and draw from someone elses. The God of Abraham said He would have a Son. Islamic allah said he would never have a son. So Islam is not Abrahamic at all. It is a cult.

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Re: islam the doctrine of death
Reply #33 - May 27^th, 2014 at 6:09pm

moses wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

There's not a man alive that is perfect.

muhammad was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer, he turned these atrocities into a cult (islam)

islam is the doctrine of death in a large portion of it's tenets.

muslims cannot accept responsibility for their faults, failings and the cult that is the root cause of atrocities they commit today.

True, but he created a law that justifies himself and all of these deeds.

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Re: islam the doctrine of death
Reply #34 - May 27^th, 2014 at 6:48pm

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

True, but he created a law that justifies himself and all of these deeds

Oh dear FD you seem to have fallen into the godless trap! Mo did not create anything. ALLAH gave him divine inspiration.

His Asperger's syndrome attests to this.

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In other words Kill would be a repetitive. Camel jockeying would be difficult, Interests would be restricted to thievery buggery stealing rape and beheading.

Please FD for bugger'S sake learn your Koran.

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Re: islam the doctrine of death
Reply #35 - May 30^th, 2014 at 8:07pm

Apostates have a very rough time under the doctrine of death

qur'an: 4.88 - What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.

Quiet clearly states that allah causes men to err and muslims must in no way help someone that allah causes to err

qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

So allah causes someone to err, it is the duty of muslims to kill him

From the Hadith:

The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."

Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

(Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).

All of the above are teachings for muslims to murder innocent people (apostates), even kids who have reached puberty

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Re: islam the doctrine of death
Reply #36 - May 30^th, 2014 at 8:42pm

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(Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).

I remember recently one of the Muslims here was grasping for examples of Islam using puberty as a marker for coming of age. This was in the context of pedophilia. They gave the example of an orphan being entitled to their inheritance at this time. Not a great example. This one would have been better.

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