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Reply #30 - May 29^th, 2014 at 8:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2014 at 6:55pm:

For a christian, Jesus was not the founder of christianity. Just as muslims don't consider Muhammad the founder of islam.

Who were the chief architects of Christianity and Islam? They were Jesus and Mohammad. All the rest were bit-players who were and are subordinate to these two.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2014 at 6:55pm:

Since you insist on making moral comparisons, an important one you probably should consider is that the bible (you know, christians holy book) commands stoning, and the quran does not.

The figure-head of the Christian religion counselled against using violence towards others, whereas the prophet Mohammad was reported as having ordered stonings.

I would say that's one hell of a moral comparison. Sorry for 'insisting' on bringing this up again. I'm sure it's a 'sensitive' subject with you apologists.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2014 at 6:55pm:

Christianity doesn't start with Christ, it starts with the genocidal prophets who slaughtered babies in the name of God.

Well, no ... you've got it wrong again.

It's the bible that starts with genocidal infanticide ... not Christianity, which arrived later on, as explained in the bible.

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Reply #31 - May 29^th, 2014 at 8:56pm

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The Quran orders restraint and non-combatants to be spared.

The qur'an has an entirely different view to you Ghandi:

qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."

So a great slaughter in the land before taking prisoners is showing restraint and sparing of people.

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Reply #32 - May 29^th, 2014 at 9:39pm

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The Quran orders restraint and non-combatants to be spared. Hows that for a moral comparison?

Does it do this to highlight Muhammed's failure as a human being and leader. Or is Muhammed's example a demonstration of that "restraint"? Is this merely another glaring contradiction that Muslims use to say one thing and do another?

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Reply #33 - May 29^th, 2014 at 10:06pm

moses wrote on May 29^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

The qur'an has an entirely different view to you Ghandi:

qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."

The word used is يثخن which literally means 'thickens' - a better translation is 'subdued' or 'subjugated' the land:

Yusuf Ali:
It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land.

Dr Ghali:
In no way can any Prophet have captives until he has subjugated (the enemy) in the earth

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49389 At my desk.	Re: Is this a product of Islam or not? Reply #34 - May 29^th, 2014 at 11:03pm How did Muhammed 'subdue' the Arabian peninsula? By sitting on people?
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Reply #35 - May 29^th, 2014 at 11:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2014 at 6:55pm:

For a christian, Jesus was not the founder of christianity. ....

For Christ's sake!

Who was it then?

What is the name of the founder of Islam, otherwise referred to as Mohammedanism? Was it George?

Was Moses a Christian? Was Yahweh a Christian?

Jesus Christ was a Jew who transformed the old 'eye for an eye' savagery of the Old Testament into the new 'turn the other cheek' philosophy of the current belief systems of modern society.

Executed by the Romans for what? Denying the pantheon of Roman gods and defying established authority?

Where was your prophet at this time?

And what has been his message ever since?

Remember Martel at Tours?

His battle has not yet been won.

Just as Moh's ambitions have yet to be realised.

We are waking up now. We who have not yet been blinded by socialist governments and kowtowing apologist puppets.

As Sun Tzu said, " Know thy enemy."

Scouts motto, "Be prepared."

The World has expanded since the time one could wish to rule it.

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Toughen up, Australia!

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Reply #36 - May 30^th, 2014 at 8:57am

The pity of it is, Lionel, is that the Muslim hordes who have descended upon Western nations these past 60 years have found to their amazement and delight that they have had a huge cheer-squad of politicians and 'No-Borders' enthusiasts awaiting them to sponsor and facilitate their imperialist ambitions.

Here's a reformed Useful Idiot confessing to this:

Peter Hitchens, Christopher’s smarter brother, wrote a devastating piece recently on the reason for the Left’s promotion of immigration:

When I was a Revolutionary Marxist, we were all in favour of as much immigration as possible.

It wasn’t because we liked immigrants, but because we didn’t like Britain. We saw immigrants — from anywhere — as allies against the staid, settled, conservative society that our country still was at the end of the Sixties.

Also, we liked to feel oh, so superior to the bewildered people – usually in the poorest parts of Britain – who found their neighbourhoods suddenly transformed into supposedly ‘vibrant communities’.

If they dared to express the mildest objections, we called them bigots.

None of this is unique to the U.K. Throughout the developed world, the Left uses mass immigration and lies about racism to bend the sovereign, patriotic nation-state to its will. And it does so with plenty of help from its accomplices on the corporate and libertarian right.

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Re: Is this a product of Islam or not?
Reply #37 - May 30^th, 2014 at 9:29am

Just a few from the hadi'th and qur'an, to show muslims are ordered to kill mercilessly.

Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"

Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."

Qur'an:8:57 "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."

Ishaq:326 "If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah's enemies."

Qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."

Ishaq:327 "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"

Ishaq:588 "When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves."

Tabari IX:42 "We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized."

Ishaq:326 "Allah said, 'No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.' Muhammad said, 'I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.'"

Qur'an:7:3 "Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them."

Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"

Murdering innocent people is part and parcel of the tenets of islam

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Is this a product of Islam or not? Reply #38 - May 30^th, 2014 at 12:11pm Good research, Moses. I feel confident that gandalf will happily admit that these are authentic quotes and that nothing is further from his mind than to try to put a spin on these as an escape strategy to save face.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Is this a product of Islam or not? Reply #39 - May 30^th, 2014 at 12:19pm moses wrote on May 30^th, 2014 at 9:29am: Qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land." Ah, still interpreting "thickens" as "great slaughter" I see.
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Reply #41 - May 30^th, 2014 at 12:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

moses wrote on May 30^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

Qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."

Ah, still interpreting "thickens" as "great slaughter" I see.

Ah still interpreting yourself there. Not a bad efart, now do the other dozen of so Grin

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49389 At my desk.	Re: Is this a product of Islam or not? Reply #42 - May 30^th, 2014 at 12:56pm Gandalf has a special method of interpreting Muhammed's example that I am keen to learn more about.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Is this a product of Islam or not? Reply #43 - May 30^th, 2014 at 1:05pm freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2014 at 12:56pm: Gandalf has a special method of interpreting Muhammed's example that I am keen to learn more about. So am I. I wish he had been my Tax Agent in years gone by ...
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Re: Is this a product of Islam or not?
Reply #44 - May 30^th, 2014 at 1:11pm

Mattywisk wrote on May 30^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Ah still interpreting yourself there.

No, 'thickens' is the literal translation. Look it up if you don't believe me.

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Gandalf has a special method of interpreting Muhammed's example that I am keen to learn more about.

You didn't listen before, why would you start now?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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