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Reply #30 - May 31st, 2014 at 6:51pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 6:45pm:
What a load of nonsense.





Anchorman was a porn movie?



Hardly analogous to an image where there is an equally obvious 'erection,' inspired by, directed at, a female child.
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Reply #31 - May 31st, 2014 at 6:53pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 6:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 6:45pm:
What a load of nonsense.





Anchorman was a porn movie?



Hardly analogous to an image where there is an equally obvious 'erection,' inspired by, directed at, a female child.



That's your interpretation, not mine.

It's not porn.  Not even close.


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Reply #32 - May 31st, 2014 at 6:55pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 6:41pm:
FD.....since when was it necessary for anyone to be sexually aroused before an image they observe can be described accurately as porn.
Since the very definition of porn requires it to be arousing or titillating. You have been told this before many times because you have had trouble recognising what is and isn't porn in the past. Do you ever learn?

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As far as I am concerned, I am outraged at the very obvious child porn image, and not sexually aroused at all in any way.  You can't get away with allowing it here on the basis that it is part of some Muslem bash.  The image stands alone per se, and it is child porn.

If you insist on classifying it as porn, then you think it is arousing, either to yourself or someone else. No one else is trying to classify it as porn, ergo it is you that finds it arousing or you see something in the cartoon that would be arousing to someone else.

In either case your mind is closely associating with those that you feel would find this arousing.

To be classified as porn, it must be arousing to someone, somewhere. What do you find arousing about it or what do you think someone else would find arousing about it?

Only you can tell us what is going on in your mind Aussie  Undecided
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Reply #33 - May 31st, 2014 at 6:55pm
 
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FD.....since when was it necessary for anyone to be sexually aroused before an image they observe can be described accurately as porn.


As far as I know, that's what porn means.

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As far as I am concerned, I am outraged at the very obvious child porn image, and not sexually aroused at all in any way.  You can't get away with allowing it here on the basis that it is part of some Muslem bash.  The image stands alone per se, and it is child porn.


Are you aroused by it? Do you think anyone else is? Do you think Muslims find it arousing?

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You can't get away with allowing it here on the basis that it is part of some Muslem bash.


If it is not porn then no excuses are necessary.
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Reply #34 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:01pm
 
Context is important. Innocent images of children playing on the beach can be classified as pornography when dealing with pedophilia. As I said previously, when taken in context, the picture is clearly not meant to arouse - it's meant to offend. Judging by this thread, it's working.
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Reply #35 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:09pm
 
Ummm....FD................I just tried to post a reply to that and got a warning that I was about to post spam, and that I would be banned.

What is that about?
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Reply #36 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:09pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Context is important. Innocent images of children playing on the beach can be classified as pornography when dealing with pedophilia. As I said previously, when taken in context, the picture is clearly not meant to arouse - it's meant to offend. Judging by this thread, it's working.

That is the whole point here. It is clearly not porn and in no way can it be labeled as porn. There is no ambiguity here relative to that cartoon. There is no doubt it is meant to offend and not arouse.

Aussie is claiming it should be removed because it is porn. Obviously trying to argue its removal for its offensiveness wouldn't work so he is trying to skirt the issue by claiming it is porn and therefore should be removed.

The trouble he has run into is that he is insisting that it is porn. Totalitarians often find themselves in these predicaments.
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Reply #37 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:14pm
 
IQSRLOW wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 6:55pm:
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 6:41pm:
FD.....since when was it necessary for anyone to be sexually aroused before an image they observe can be described accurately as porn.
Since the very definition of porn requires it to be arousing or titillating. You have been told this before many times because you have had trouble recognising what is and isn't porn in the past. Do you ever learn?

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As far as I am concerned, I am outraged at the very obvious child porn image, and not sexually aroused at all in any way.  You can't get away with allowing it here on the basis that it is part of some Muslem bash.  The image stands alone per se, and it is child porn.

If you insist on classifying it as porn, then you think it is arousing, either to yourself or someone else. No one else is trying to classify it as porn, ergo it is you that finds it arousing or you see something in the cartoon that would be arousing to someone else.

In either case your mind is closely associating with those that you feel would find this arousing.

To be classified as porn, it must be arousing to someone, somewhere. What do you find arousing about it or what do you think someone else would find arousing about it?

Only you can tell us what is going on in your mind Aussie  Undecided


The male in the image is clearly aroused by the presence of a child.
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Reply #38 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:16pm
 
The cartoon posted by Aussie is in poor taste. Is it porn....NO.

The movie clip of anchorman is hilarious, is it in poor taste? To some maybe, is it porn.....NO.

Is Aussie merely sensationalising the cartoon for really no other reason than his own weird amusement ......

Quite possibly.
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Reply #39 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:18pm
 
Rhet-Oracle wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:16pm:
The cartoon posted by Aussie is in poor taste. Is it porn....NO.

The movie clip of anchorman is hilarious, is it in poor taste? To some maybe, is it porn.....NO.

Is Aussie merely sensationalising the cartoon for really no other reason than his own weird amusement ......

Quite possibly.


Why would you say that?

It seems people wish to drag this down into some pretty weak issue of distinction about arousal.

Okay.  I'll take that and ask FD whether there is any embargo here about posting obscenity?
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Reply #40 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:20pm
 
Rhet-Oracle wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:16pm:
The cartoon posted by Aussie is in poor taste. Is it porn....NO.

The movie clip of anchorman is hilarious, is it in poor taste? To some maybe, is it porn.....NO.

Is Aussie merely sensationalising the cartoon for really no other reason than his own weird amusement ......

Quite possibly.

It's more likely a passive aggressive form of control by seeking to impose a ban on what he finds offensive by classifying it as porn when it is clearly not porn.
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Reply #41 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:27pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Rhet-Oracle wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:16pm:
The cartoon posted by Aussie is in poor taste. Is it porn....NO.

The movie clip of anchorman is hilarious, is it in poor taste? To some maybe, is it porn.....NO.

Is Aussie merely sensationalising the cartoon for really no other reason than his own weird amusement ......

Quite possibly.


Why would you say that?

It seems people wish to drag this down into some pretty weak issue of distinction about arousal.

Okay.  I'll take that and ask FD whether there is any embargo here about posting obscenity?

It is not a weak issue about distinction of arousal. its about the distinction of classifying something as porn when it is clearly not. You seem to have a lot of difficulty with the concept of subjectivity for some reason and now having lost the battle to label something as porn, you decide to shift the goal posts and decide to classify it as obscene instead of porn.

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Reply #42 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:33pm
 
IQSRLOW wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:20pm:
Rhet-Oracle wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:16pm:
The cartoon posted by Aussie is in poor taste. Is it porn....NO.

The movie clip of anchorman is hilarious, is it in poor taste? To some maybe, is it porn.....NO.

Is Aussie merely sensationalising the cartoon for really no other reason than his own weird amusement ......

Quite possibly.

It's more likely a passive aggressive form of control by seeking to impose a ban on what he finds offensive by classifying it as porn when it is clearly not porn.


That's the way you want to paint it.  Whatever you want to call that image, it ought not be displayed here.  I'll bet it never makes the front (or any other) page of any newspaper.  Care to explain why without any reference to Islam?
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Reply #43 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:35pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:09pm:
Ummm....FD................I just tried to post a reply to that and got a warning that I was about to post spam, and that I would be banned.

What is that about?


You must have tripped the spam filter.

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Okay.  I'll take that and ask FD whether there is any embargo here about posting obscenity?


Are you conceding that it is not pornography?

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I'll bet it never makes the front (or any other) page of any newspaper.


I believe it is one of the 12 "Muhammed cartoons" published by a Danish newspaper (and republished in many other newspapers around the world) that sparked riots by Muslims.
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Reply #44 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:41pm
 
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Whatever you want to call that image, it ought not be displayed here

Again, that is a subjective call by a totalitarian mind.

At least you have conceded that it is not porn.  Grin
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