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Reply #45 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:43pm
 
freediver wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:35pm:
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:09pm:
Ummm....FD................I just tried to post a reply to that and got a warning that I was about to post spam, and that I would be banned.

What is that about?


You must have tripped the spam filter.

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Okay.  I'll take that and ask FD whether there is any embargo here about posting obscenity?


Are you conceding that it is not pornography?


How does one trip the spam filter?  People need to know, because the threat was along the lines of 'post that again, and you'll be banned.'

And if, to progress relevant discussion, I need to concede that the image does not meet your definition of porn, yeas I'll give way.  But, it is grossly obscene at least and as such has no place here.

You have word filters ~ why are images not equally filtered?
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Reply #46 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:47pm
 
IQSRLOW wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:41pm:
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Whatever you want to call that image, it ought not be displayed here

Again, that is a subjective call by a totalitarian mind.

At least you have conceded that it is not porn.  Grin


It is a call of mine.  I concede only that others consider it not to be porn, relying weakly on some 'arousal' issue.
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Re: Is this porn ~ and also child porn?
Reply #47 - May 31st, 2014 at 7:49pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:43pm:
freediver wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:35pm:
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:09pm:
Ummm....FD................I just tried to post a reply to that and got a warning that I was about to post spam, and that I would be banned.

What is that about?


You must have tripped the spam filter.

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Okay.  I'll take that and ask FD whether there is any embargo here about posting obscenity?


Are you conceding that it is not pornography?


How does one trip the spam filter?  People need to know, because the threat was along the lines of 'post that again, and you'll be banned.'

And if, to progress relevant discussion, I need to concede that the image does not meet your definition of porn, yeas I'll give way.  But, it is grossly obscene at least and as such has no place here.

You have word filters ~ why are images not equally filtered?


"My definition"? Do you have an alternative definition that includes the cartoon in question?

I have no idea how you tripped the spam filter.

Feel free to write an image filter for me.
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Re: Is this porn ~ and also child porn?
Reply #48 - May 31st, 2014 at 8:04pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:47pm:
IQSRLOW wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 7:41pm:
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Whatever you want to call that image, it ought not be displayed here

Again, that is a subjective call by a totalitarian mind.

At least you have conceded that it is not porn.  Grin


It is a call of mine.  I concede only that others consider it not to be porn, relying weakly on some 'arousal' issue.

Your offence meter is set surprisingly low, even for a leftwhiner like yourself. You should explore this internet thingy a bit more. theres plenty of websites out there that can educate you on what is and isnt porn. If you had done that rather than averting your eyes in case you found something that would offend you, this thread might never have started because you would already understand what porn really is.

Edit by me, Mod/Aussie.  NOIQ, bring my family into this debate again, and I will see you banned. 
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Reply #49 - May 31st, 2014 at 8:10pm
 
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"My definition"? Do you have an alternative definition that includes the cartoon in question?


Well, given you seek to avoid the central issue which really is about what is okay to post and what is not on the basis that you say it is not porn or child porn because I am (and others are) not aroused by the image......I guess I will say that it is grossly obscene, grossly offensive (and not merely sectarian) and plays no part in what I expect to be confronted with here, and I doubt anyone (other than the stupid fanatical Muslem bashers) will have a differing view.

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I have no idea how you tripped the spam filter.


Neither do I, but I was put on very clear notice that I was going to be banned.  It would be nice if you advised us what the settings you have put in place are which will trigger such a threat?

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Feel free to write an image filter for me.


Feel free to pay for it.
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Reply #50 - May 31st, 2014 at 8:31pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 6:41pm:
FD.....since when was it necessary for anyone to be sexually aroused before an image they observe can be described accurately as porn.

As far as I am concerned, I am outraged at the very obvious child porn image, and not sexually aroused at all in any way.  You can't get away with allowing it here on the basis that it is part of some Muslem bash.  The image stands alone per se, and it is child porn.


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Reply #51 - May 31st, 2014 at 8:39pm
 
NOIQ....cease.  Public warning again.
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Reply #52 - May 31st, 2014 at 8:44pm
 
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3) If they continue to post, advise them publicly that they are banned, or refer them to their PM from you if you want to be more subtle. This is in case they don't read their PMs.

4) If they continue to post, PM me with a link to their public warning and where they posted afterwards, and quotes. I will put in an appropriate ban at that stage. This could be a ban from the board, from the section or from the entire forum. [/quote]
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Reply #53 - May 31st, 2014 at 8:45pm
 
I have sent you a PM, yet you continue to break my Rules.  See them above.
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Reply #54 - May 31st, 2014 at 8:48pm
 
What rule did I break?
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Reply #55 - May 31st, 2014 at 8:49pm
 
IQSRLOW wrote on May 31st, 2014 at 8:48pm:
What rule did I break?


My Rules.  You are here under them.  If you don't like them,  use your feet.
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Reply #56 - May 31st, 2014 at 8:57pm
 
Pity..........but the trolls forced it on me.

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Reply #57 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 7:26pm
 
Again I'd rather post this in Feedback where it belongs but I'm still unable to post there.

When confronted by relevant legislation, FD's response is:

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You're not very good at the whole 'leaving' thing are you TC?

Feel free to dob me into the police for hosting child porn on my website. Make sure you give them your contact details so you can collect the reward. Or perhaps, as a Muslim, using the law to silence your critics is itself sufficient reward?


The 'leaving thing.'  What is that.  Does it mean that if one observes something they find offensive, because another disagrees, they must just suddenly not be offended?

Further, if the reproduction of that image is quite okay and above Board, FD ought have no qualms whatsoever that those whose job it is to look into exactly these matters ~ have a look.

Nothing to fear FD.

Is there?
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Reply #58 - Jun 3rd, 2014 at 9:18pm
 
you know they have always had a Page 3 Girl in a certain british newspaper...I am sure some never got further than page 3....

was it porn??... in some minds I am sure it was..as over time they got riskier and riskier..I am not sure how many males thought of it as porn...but I am sure alot of females would have done had they been asked..erotica...art...lusting.. titillation..

none of it bares any relationship to CHILD PORN.


for those who consider the cartoon child porn then you must have led a more sheltered life than I did.  Sad
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Reply #59 - Jun 4th, 2014 at 10:08am
 
Aussie wrote on May 30th, 2014 at 4:38pm:
Click here

Please do not click/look if an image of that possible kind will offend.

I say it is child porn, and the image has no place here.  It might be argued that 'a picture is better than a thousand words,' but my call is ~ porn and adds a child element.  I would nuke it to prevent further pushes on the envelope which will come from the usual suspects.  It seems FD encourages it.  Nah.



It's certainly offensive, but not really porn.

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Pornography (often abbreviated as "porn" or "porno" in informal usage) is the portrayal of sexual subject matter for the purpose of sexual arousal.


This isn't that.

The Australian government however has its own definitions.

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child pornography material means:
                     (a)  material that depicts a person, or a representation of a person, who is, or appears to be, under 18 years of age and who:
                              (i)  is engaged in, or appears to be engaged in, a sexual pose or sexual activity (whether or not in the presence of other persons); or
                             (ii)  is in the presence of a person who is engaged in, or appears to be engaged in, a sexual pose or sexual activity;
                            and does this in a way that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, offensive; or
                     (b)  material the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of:
                              (i)  a sexual organ or the anal region of a person who is, or appears to be, under 18 years of age; or
                             (ii)  a representation of such a sexual organ or anal region; or
                            (iii)  the breasts, or a representation of the breasts, of a female person who is, or appears to be, under 18 years of age;
                            in a way that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, offensive; or
                     (c)  material that describes a person who is, or is implied to be, under 18 years of age and who:
                              (i)  is engaged in, or is implied to be engaged in, a sexual pose or sexual activity (whether or not in the presence of other persons); or
                             (ii)  is in the presence of a person who is engaged in, or is implied to be engaged in, a sexual pose or sexual activity;
                            and does this in a way that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, offensive; or
                     (d)  material that describes:
                              (i)  a sexual organ or the anal region of a person who is, or is implied to be, under 18 years of age; or
                             (ii)  the breasts of a female person who is, or is implied to be, under 18 years of age;
                            and does this in a way that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, offensive.


Technically, I think it meets this definition, though this is a point of law rather than the meaning most people take from pornorgaphy.
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