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Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ?
Reply #15 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 10:44am

Jesus probably existed, but most of what was attributed to him mythical. The facts in the source material don't line up with history correctly, and the claims made seem incredible but have no mention outside religious texts.

Might have been a guy around at some time, but the Jesus of the bible is almost certainly fictional.

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Reply #16 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 11:49am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 5^th, 2014 at 10:42am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Neither. Jesus is just a mythological story that Americans have reignited 500 years ago and claimed to be real.

Oh the story of jesus and its aftermath and fallout has been this way for more than just 500 years, christianity has played a big role in the shaping of europe after the fall of the roman empire.

I would say that Christianity was something that played a minimalist role in the overthrow of the Roman Empire. Very few people knew about Christianity, and it was possibly 600 years ago that there were numbers enough for Christianity to be noteworthy. Just that when the Reformation came about, the Christian fundamentalists got on their boats and headed to modern day United States so that they can continue their socially inept ways towards modern day cultural dorkification.

This doesn't diminish the reasoning that the story of "Jeebuz and his shite beez majuk stuff" is pure fiction.

Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire in 4AD under Constantine. It then influenced almost the entire world view of people in Europe from this point. Europe split in two: the Holy Roman Empire and Eastern Orthodox. Pretty much all literature written from this era until the Enlightenment period refers to Christianity at some point.

Closer to 340AD. Constantie himself didn't convert to Christianity until about 312 AD.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ? Reply #18 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 12:22pm Cheers for those corrections. I meant to say 4th century.
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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ? Reply #19 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 2:56pm Hundreds of prophecies about Jesus appear in the Old Testament. Much of the Old testament has been carbon tested and proven to be as old as claimed. So many prophecies were made well before Jesus was born.
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Reply #20 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 4:36pm

Needless to say, Jesus was an itinerant moraliser who acquired most of his material from the writings of the Greek philosophers and the Roman ethicists such as Aesop of Aesop's Fables.

It was a time of rich intellectual output from the various Classical schools in that eastern part of the Mediterranean.

Unfortunately the cave-dwelling mystics of that time were not content with recording Christ as having been a mere mortal who advocated that people should live by the Golden Rule of Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

They deified him so his words would carry more authority and not fade with the passage of time.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107265 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ? Reply #21 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 5:42pm I doubt that Jesus even existed. It's just a collection of fairy tales from ancient Egyptian stories superimposed on another time.
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Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ?
Reply #23 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 8:50pm

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 11:03pm:

You really think he was just made up entirely ??, do you think there is a possibility that he actually existed, but was no supernatural deity in human guise, but rather a human being just like you and me, who got caught up in something where he died along the way on a wooden cross, and somehow the supernatural element to him was made up along the way after he died to create a religion.

I think the most likely scenario is that the story of Jesus is entirely made up, and has had an embellished existence throughout history. But I would surmise that the story of Jesus is only 600 or 700 years old, and based on other tales from other religions. This story only survives because Americans have a few of their countrymen with ancestry that go back to the time when they fled Europe's enlightenment period, for these new Americans to continue their superstitious culture.

I have just started reading the bible -- incited by the desire to reinforce my view that the bible is nothing more than fiction, with no real purpose other than entertainment value. I'm only 20 pages into the book my grandmother left behind, and I'm convinced that it's one big story of a family feud by a bunch of farmers.

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Reply #24 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 9:02pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 5^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

I'm convinced that it's one big story of a family feud by a bunch of farmers.

actually, the bible is made up of many many stories ... every tale, or story passed down throughout history, and cultures, that could be used to reinforce the idea of a god, was adopted by the bible to do just that.

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Reply #26 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 9:22pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 5^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 11:03pm:

You really think he was just made up entirely ??, do you think there is a possibility that he actually existed, but was no supernatural deity in human guise, but rather a human being just like you and me, who got caught up in something where he died along the way on a wooden cross, and somehow the supernatural element to him was made up along the way after he died to create a religion.

I think the most likely scenario is that the story of Jesus is entirely made up, and has had an embellished existence throughout history. But I would surmise that the story of Jesus is only 600 or 700 years old, and based on other tales from other religions. This story only survives because Americans have a few of their countrymen with ancestry that go back to the time when they fled Europe's enlightenment period, for these new Americans to continue their superstitious culture.

I have just started reading the bible -- incited by the desire to reinforce my view that the bible is nothing more than fiction, with no real purpose other than entertainment value. I'm only 20 pages into the book my grandmother left behind, and I'm convinced that it's one big story of a family feud by a bunch of farmers.

Ah, well, keep reading it.

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rabbitoh08 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1528 Gender:	Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ? Reply #28 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 11:26pm Yadda wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 11:48pm: Many people alive today claim to have met him, and to have been in his presence. Many people alive today do a lot of drugs.
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Reply #29 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 11:34pm

The dead sea scrolls is claimed to be the very paper or something which survived from all the way back the to the time period of the new testament times, and that in all of it, it descibes the essenes a sub branch of ancient judaism in its times which is described to be mostly similiar in the doctrine and message of which jesus himself preached, but its members observed a pretty harsh monastic life with strict rules about including outsiders, Australian theologian barbara theiring back in 1988 had a theory that jesus was a member of the essene sect itself.

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